Trade Thread

[chuckd3534]

Actually you mentioned we were lucky to win last season. I only mentioned one seeds and Pres trophy winners very rarely win cups.

You have been saying this team has major flaws and isn't built for the playoffs for years dump, is what it is.

You have your opinion, and I respect that. We simply do not agree. We agree on some of it, clearly we need to improve and clearly we are not near a SC favorite this season and clearly right now it would be a big upset for us to win a cup this season, but I do not think we need this major overhaul tear the whole team down and start over. That is where we disagree.

We'll see what happens.

 

[kreidertime]

It's pointless trying to explain things to you. You can't grasp the fact the window on this team the way it is constructed has closed. It's obvious to this fan base. It's obvious to Hank who has shown more frustration this season than he has in the previous 5.

 

[chuckd3534]

Okay...so break the whole thing down and start again with Hank 34 years old. I got your opinion...we disagree. You said the same thing each of the past 3 seasons dump, so nothing new there.

Again...all good. We agree to disagree.

 

[panzerporter]

The Rangers should be 2-1 against the Caps so far this year, lucky bounces go both ways. Klein's softness cost them last game with 5 seconds left after Girardi's setup pass to Ovie gave the Caps the early lead. The Rangers have played well against the Caps in postseason, bring them on. If the Rangers can trade their Captain at the deadline Nash and his 12 goals (2 open net) shouldn't be immune. I agree that he can help another team, the Rangers can use the cap space for the future.

 

[kreidertime]

Rangers have been badly outplayed by the Craps this season. They should be 0-3. They were completely dominated in the game they won 5-2. Craps hit like 4 posts and Holtby sucked that game. Fluke. Even last game Craps basically owned them for 2 periods then just fell asleep. I mean, you have to be realistic. The Rangers don't match up with the Craps at all. They also don't match up with the Islanders and Bruins all that well either. Basically, any big team with skill pretty much dominates them time of possession wise. Stand by what I've said for months. This team needs major changes.

 

[chuckd3534]

I agree on the Caps. I liked them a lot last year also. And this summer I said they would be the best team in the East and win the Met, but anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. Today the Caps look like a dominant team, but who knows what the situation will be in round 2 of the playoffs if we get there.

Fun part is we are getting to the point where the games start to mean more. Trade DL is 6 weeks from tomorrow...fun time now. Who knows what will happen.

 

[mrmel29]

I agree time to see what kind of bidding war we can get other gm's involved in to acquire nash and move him before his next concussion. He's not the same player he was and the cap relief will be worth it. Girardi needs to go somehow now or on ltir so big mac can get into the line up and strengthen the defense and give us some toughness back there. There is no way to keep yandle and besides with the way AV is using him what does it matter. A third pair d-man that gets 20 seconds on the 2nd PP. LMAO. Hope Gorton is primed to take some action and looking for him to work the same magic he did with some of his bruin trades

 

[kreidertime]

Moving Stepan might not be the worst thing in the world if they get a center back in the Yandle deal. He has another stupid NTC that kicks in after this year.

 

[Ranger71]

They should look at Boeddker.

 

[Messiah717]

Lets not forget the Caps has 121 points in 2009-10 and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. You never know what will happen with injuries and other factors so in reality you have no idea what can take place in the playoffs. I'm not saying the Rangers will do X, Y or Z but if you're just going to anoint a team now then why even bother playing any further?

 

[mrmel29]

Lets not forget the Caps has 121 points in 2009-10 and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. You never know what will happen with injuries and other factors so in reality you have no idea what can take place in the playoffs. I'm not saying the Rangers will do X, Y or Z but if you're just going to anoint a team now then why even bother playing any further?

On the money Mess. Hockey is the one sport that an 8 seed beating a 1 seed is not that uncommon. Look at the kings a couple years ago winning the cup as an 8th seed. You need a hot goalie(hank) and a healthy team which we unfortunately never seem to have once we're in the playoffs. We'll be in the playoffs. What we do from there who the hell knows.

 

[kreidertime]

Some of you are missing the point. That point is that this team freaking sucks built as is. 5 under .500 in over its last 20 games. Stop living in a fantasy world. The roster must be broken down and build differently.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Yea but who is to say if they get in they can't get hot like the Kings did? I do agree dump, we need a few different players. First and foremost McIlrath suing every night

 

[NYR31]

but Struds, over the past 24gms what signs have we seen that would make us think they could do that? the play has been so poor over that span (30% of the season) that it's almost unrealistic to think they can jsut go on a tear come playoff time. We're not talking about a poor couple of weeks, but rather a large period of time with those struggles. Changes HAVE to be made.

 

[chuckd3534]

We need to make a couple of changes for sure. This team as is will not winning a cup. We need to add a legit scoring forward for sure. That would be a start, then we can go from there.

 

[kreidertime]

The situation is by no means hopeless. The Yandle trade must be the right trade. However, there has to be another big trade. Whether it's getting one of the NTC players to waive and agree to be moved. Or it's rolling the dice and moving a player like Stepan. Point is, this team can't compete with the Craps, Hawks or even Isles or Kings. I hate all those teams. I despise the Craps. However, I can admit it was dumb luck Holtby fanned on that Kreider shot to save their asses. The Craps are much, much, better than last year. This team has regressed. It's not rocket science to see the Rangers don't match up right now.

 

[kreidertime]

Have to think Yandle ends up in L.A. The freakin GM loves that dude. D. King makes a ton of sense. They have a right handed defenseman prospect in Erik Cernak that fits the Rangers like a glove. Sounds like an 18 year old Girardi.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

king ok

 

[kreidertime]

King can help this team now because our forwards are a bunch of pussies. Starting with Nash.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Yea, saw too many King, Kings in there. Yea he would help. Won 2 cups. Maybe Nash will go on a tear this postseason... Opposite of what he normally does

 

[kreidertime]

Want more than King obviously. However, he's the type of forward we need to match up with teams like the Craps a lot better.

 

[chuckd3534]

Whether it is King or a King type, I do agree we need a gritty guy who can score goals to round out this team.

I agree with dump here.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Rumor out on hockeybuzz is Yandle and a high prospect for Shattenkirk. Makes a ton of sense. A 1 for 1 makes more sense

 

[kreidertime]

Doesn't really makes sense and makes sense. Can't work with the Rangers from a cap view. So that doesn't make sense. Shattenkirk grew up a Rangers fan. My guess is he comes here anyway as a UFA in 2 years. He's a righty shot. High prospect? Who? They can't possibly want to give up Buchnevich. I wouldn't give up Skjei or Graves. Could it be they are targeting McIlrath as a righty replacement?

 

[chuckd3534]

It could work if some money is retained, but I am kind of with you dump. Prod brought up Shatt a few weeks back and we had a good discussion on him. I would love him here, but the fit concerns me. We already have all these dmen locked up so how does Shatt fit? That is kind of why we are dealing Yandle in the first place (although I do think Shatt is clearly a better dman overall).

So I wouldn't be upset if a deal brought Shatt here, but I would wonder how we end up with a balanced team if we add another big ticket dman, same reason we cannot keep Yandle. I would think Yandle, if he goes, would have to go for a forward.

 

[kreidertime]

Only thing I can think of from a prospect point of view is goalie Shesterkin. Blues always have these half ass goalies put up big stats in the regular season only to get lit up like a torch in the post season. Rangers have 3, really good goalie prospects. That might be something the Blues are interested in. People getting on Halverson this year are dumb. The OHL as a league plays no defense and his team sucks. His numbers are actually good considering how bad his team blows. This kid Huska they drafted got mad respect in the world juniors.

 

[NYR31]

Rumor out on hockeybuzz is Yandle and a high prospect for Shattenkirk. Makes a ton of sense. A 1 for 1 makes more sense

That would be tremendous. Shattenkirk is only 26 so it's a move for today and tomorrow.

 

[chuckd3534]

In a Shatt deal I would be more focused on his fit here, how does it work cap wise with Staal/G/McD/Klein all locked in, then I am with who a potential prospect would be.

I'm certainly no cap expert, but I don't think it makes sense for us to add another big ticket dman unless we can move Staal or G. I would be very concerned about our ability to have team balance if we add another big ticket dman to go with a big ticket goalie.

Just my opinion though.

 

[theProdigy223]

Along goalie lines, how has Skapski been this year? Havent seen him play but his numbers are awful. I do know he had significant offseason surgery so he may not be up to speed.

As for Shattenkirk (can we please not call him Shatt), I would LOVE this kid. He's only signed for one more year (next year at 4.2m), so it's not like we're adding another big ticket dman long-term considering he makes less than Boyle. When his contract is up after next year it will also be Girardi's 4th year of his extension, meaning his trade protection significantly lessens. Maybe we can get out of his contract at that time and find a way to keep Shattenkirk in the fold.

From a Blues perspective though, I dont know why they would do this. They still have another year of Shattenkirk. The only reason they are (very likely) trading him is that with Pietrangelo (6.5m per) and Boumeester both with monster deals, they can't afford more big money on their blueline. The prospect we throw in would have to be very, very attractive for them to take on Yandle as part of the package as they likely won't be keeping him. I also havent heard anything about Shattenkirk moving in-season, all the buzz seems to be it will be an offseason deal. Depending how the rest of this season goes and what happens with Yandle I still like Nash for Shattenkirk on draft day.

 

[chuckd3534]

I think we'd be in the same spot we are now with Yandle. I would LOVE Kirk here also...I agree 10000000000000% Prod, but it is a risk I think with these other big dmen here.

We'd have 4 dmen with 4 mill + cap hits next season. After next season he'd take a big jump up well over 5 mill per.

Here is the scoop on Girardi:

Larry Brooks confirmed with Dan Girardi's agent that Girardi has a no-move clause for the first three years of his contract. (NY Post)

Girardi is in year two of his six-year contract with a cap hit of $5.5 million.

In the final three years of Girardi's deal he has a limited no-trade clause where he could be traded to 15 teams. (NY Post)


So after next season we could deal G to 15 teams, but we are playing with fire a little bit.

With all that said I would never be upset if we added a dman like Kirk. I am not sure we have a match though, because I don't see why the Blues would want Yandle for him. And I would think this would be an off-season deal like you do Prod.

And lastly if we deal Yandle, and unless we are in some awesome position or on some great roll as we lead into the trade DL he will get dealt, I much rather have a forward than another dman. I think that is the bigger need.

I do agree with a lot of what you say though Prod.