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Glass Glass Glass McIlrath Glass McIlrath McIlrath Glass.

I just summed it up nicely...:).
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-trade-deadline-options-article-1.2511907

Another good read for the slow week. Mentions a possible summer swap of Nash for Shattenkirk which I have discussed before. Also, Shattenkirk and McDonagh were defensive partners on the 09 world juniors team. Never knew that.

We're going to be priced out of Ladd most likely. I still want to hang on to Yandle. I want no part of Marleau with another year at 6.66m after this.

A lot for Gorton to think through. Not a lot of sellers yet.
 
That would be sweet. Then they could trade Boyle. Perhaps Klein for a forward. Maybe they know Buchnevich will be coming soon.
 
Either way with Yandle likely gone and Boyle definitely gone they have to get another guy on the back end who can move the puck and not handle it like a live grenade. I'm excited to see Skjei but that really isn't his game.
 
I agree Prod, I think Nash is a summer swap. I still fully believe that unless we are really going in a different direction and start to focus on next season.

I would never be upset with adding a player like Kirk. Yandle and Boyle are out, so yeah we'll have an opening. I would just really love to be able to move Girardi or Staal if we added Kirk this summer. But I agree with you Prod that if you added him you could sort that out later since he is signed at a somewhat reasonable # for next year. I would still be concerned that Kirk, McD, G, and Staal would all be signed for 4.4 mill or more next season, and Klein is here also, but we would get the big 7.8 mill of Nash off the books in the deal for Kirk. We'd need to add forwards for sure if that happened though. We'd be crazy short upfront.

That's for the summertime though. For now I am focused on this season and what we can do to improve. Yandle will almost certainly get moved, the question is for what...that is the move that will set the tone I believe.
 
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Trading McIlrath would be a huge mistake. I think you could probably do a deal of Klein and Hayes for Drouin. Drouin does not have the value Yzerman thinks because of what he's doing. That package however, is worth the risk for him. I don't see Nash for Shattenkirk working because the Blues need to dump salary. As I've said before, he wants to play for the Rangers and probably told St. Louis he will when he goes UFA. So, they have no leverage. The only way I see the Blues adding Nash is if they know they can deal Stastny.
 
I've said for months. Major changes on this team are needed. If you look at teams around the league and their cap room, many teams won't be able to change their rosters without one big trade, setting up another. Teams with cap room will be offered up very good, high paid players and the return asked will be role players and maybe 2nd round picks just to dump that salary. Rangers IMO, need to make a min, 2 major deals.

Gorton needs to assume control of this team. That means no longer consulting AV on deals or transactions. Glass needs to be released if he can't be dealt. Period. It's no longer debatable. If AV doesn't like it, tough shit. AV is proving that he won't put the best lineup out on the ice. That must be fixed immediately by the GM. Unfortunately, he needs to have the conversation with Girardi. Tell him if they don't trade him this year, they will next year to one of the teams on his list. That they might also send him to the minors if he can't play well. It sucks but this is a business where winning is first and Girardi right now is clearly not a positive. I'd rather dump Boyle and keep Girardi but I doubt Boyle would go anywhere. He'll retire after this season.

Hayes absolutely has to be dealt. He is slow and lazy. His game doesn't fit this team at all. Somehow, last year he pulled it off. Now, the team and he don't even come close to meshing. He's got to be dangled at the deadline and hopefully traded for a player that is a better fit.
 
Hayes, McIlrath and a prospect/pick for Ladd. C'mon Gorton of New York, use that fishermans rod and reel him in!
 
Ranger71 said:
Hayes, McIlrath and a prospect/pick for Ladd. C'mon Gorton of New York, use that fishermans rod and reel him in!
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If we trade a cost-controlled Hayes, a cost-controlled McIlrath and a pick/prospect, of which we have very few, we better get way more back than 2 or 3 months of Andrew Ladd.

I still think we won't see any wholesale changes until the summer, if at all. I think the playoffs this year will be the determining factor for what happens in the summer. Gorton will get us a rental, hopefully a top 6 righty like Vrbata, and if this team flames out in the first or second round the hammer will come down this summer.

Who knows, we even may see a run at Stamkos this July. Don't forget we had him in a trade until Tampa ownership nixed it, and Sather always gets his guy. Stepan for Drouin, Staal to his bros, Stamkos to his favorite road building at 9.25m per? Stranger things have happened.

Miller-Brassard-Zuccarello
Drouin-Stamkos-Nash
Kreider-Hayes-Buchnevich
Klingberg-Lindberg-Fast

My Saturday morning pipe dream. Not sure how the D would look in this scenario though. Probably not good.

And by the way..I really hope Klingberg comes back after his KHL season. He could be a great fourth liner for us. It's a damn shame to see how well Stempniak is playing right now and to think a) he was pushed out of the lineup by Tanner Glass, and b) the guy we got also couldn't move Glass out of that spot. We could really use Stempniak's right shot on the third line right now.

Fun fact: if we traded for Stempniak today, he would be tied with Brassard for the team lead with 36 points. That's infuriating on so many levels.
 
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I am on the same page with Prod overall. They will add a rental forward type, hopefully a top 6 R, see how it goes in the playoffs and then make some bigger moves this summer if we flameout.

I also believe Yandle will get dealt, not saying I agree or disagree just offering my opinion that I believe he will get dealt, and that could be the driver to see what we do prior to the DL.

Maybe Yandle for a top 6. Then a smaller deal to add a LD back.
Maybe Yandle for some picks/prospects which are packaged for a top 6.

Who knows, but I think he will get dealt and that will kind of get things moving. 30 days left until the DL.
 
71, you have an amazing ability to overpay in trades. I wouldn't offer McIlrath straight up for Ladd. McIlrath has been our second best, defensive defenseman this year. He's righty, tough and cheap. Ladd is a rental. As much as I want Hayes out, you have to make the Jets take at least Glass back in a deal with Hayes and get a 2nd rounder back. McIlrath should not be traded. Period. I'd move Klein in a deal for Drouin. Not McIlrath.

No more rental players at the cost of picks and prospects. It's moronic. That's why our farm is thin. Those types of trades have been a disaster for this team. Some people don't learn.
 
Ladd for what he will cost imo is not worth the cost of player, picks or prospects. Drouin would be good pick up if we can make a package around hayes and a pick, prospect not named buch. If we were able to would trade nash straight up for shatty in the summer in a second if for only the cap relief alone it gives us. Trading Dylan who at this point is clearly a top 4 d-man despite AV's assertions to the contrary (boyle and girardi are both better defensively) (yeah right AV) with the potential to be on a top pair some day is completely assinine given the cap hell we're in, the lack of RD in the system and the fact that Big Mac is everything we need back there in terms of size, toughness and yes skill level including that howitzer of a shot of his. The big trade if Gorton can make it is to somehow trade girardi and/or staal for both cap relief and enables us to keep yandle. Will be hard to do but not impossible if the right team is out there that is looking for veteran presence and has a defensive philosophy more suited for them. As I watch AV all season misdeploy (if thats a word) assets stoll, dylan and as prod said even stempniak last year for players not getting it done glass(a total joke), Boyle (bwahahaha) and Girardi (whose play has declined for the past 2 years and currently is out there playing with a hole in his knee) for the first time I'm starting to think Gorton might actually have to fire him despite his past of presidents cups and good regular season records as he seems to be so set in his ways that he is blinded by the reality that everyone else can see and maybe nearing the end of his cycle here. And if that were to happen wouldn't mind seeing if Messier is still interested in coaching this team and having graves and either leetch or beuk as his assistants.
 
Drouin will cost considerably more than Ladd would, and dosen't give you the things we're looking for right now for this playoff season. I get he's a talented young guy who has alot of upside vs Ladd who's a ufa but without a 1st this year they need to maximize this season as much as possible. Drouin will most certainly cost you a 1st/top 3 prospect and young roster player. Even then he's still a bit of a crapshoot to a degree.
 
I am in favor of getting Drouin but he's a headcase, has set a bad example with his behavior and didn't produce much when he played. I think his value is less. Honestly, I see Hayes and Klein easily getting that deal done. Lightning are a win now team. They will be screwed with the cap soon.
 
that'd be a big trade. Who could we possibly offer that TB would want and clear enough cap space to resign him?
 
NYR31 said:
that'd be a big trade. Who could we possibly offer that TB would want and clear enough cap space to resign him?
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I may be off the reservation with this, but what happens if we put out the following:

Stepan, Yandle, Lindberg, Gropp
FOR
Stamkos, Drouin

If im TB I probably dont take this. If they come back and say Hayes instead of Lindberg and you have a deal, Im not sure what I would say. Gotta pull the trigger, no?

We have been very frustrated with Stepan in here. But that's not always how GMs see the game. Often they believe a change of scenery can get a player going again. Stevie Y was the team Canada GM...I'm sure he knows a lot about Stepan who played for team USA. Tampa's centers are also not very good defensively. Having Stepan-Lindberg down the middle would help them tremendously. They could also use Yandle on their left side which after Hedman is weak moving the puck. I'd hate to lose Gropp, but we may have hit on Saarela and Kovacs last draft. Plus this allows us to hold on to Buch. As for Drouin, the reports are that this refusal to play stunt has been driving his value into the ground.

Then in the offseason you have to get out of Nash's contract, resign Stamkos 7 years ~9.5m.

Pure speculation on my part. But talk about a locker room shake up...
 
Stamkos for Stepan and Yandle is a perfect deal with contingent first and second round pick going to the Rangers if Stamkos doesn't sign with the team which I'm sure he would. Tampa would be stupid not to do that because it is becoming very obvious that Stamkos wants out.
 
Great deal for the Rangers but in trading their franchise player and one of the top players in the league I don't how much the lightening are getting out of it. If you approach Tampa I would imagine the names they're going to throw at the Rangers are JT Miller, Kreider and possibly Hayes.
 
Interesting proposal, but my one concern is that TB may feel they're not getting any impact players, or with potential to be, out of a trade for one of the top, young, proven players in the league.
 
Messiah717 said:
Great deal for the Rangers but in trading their franchise player and one of the top players in the league I don't how much the lightening are getting out of it. If you approach Tampa I would imagine the names they're going to throw at the Rangers are JT Miller, Kreider and possibly Hayes.
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NYR31 said:
Interesting proposal, but my one concern is that TB may feel they're not getting any impact players, or with potential to be, out of a trade for one of the top, young, proven players in the league.
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Fair points. But remember, Stamkos is very close to walking for nothing. The reports on extension talks do not have anything like the positive tones that Kopitar's had with the Kings. And with a full NMC, it's not like Tampa can just send him to the highest bidder. McKenzie mentioned a while ago that Stamkos always raves about playing at MSG.

Stepan is still a top 6 player who will fill a need for them and take some defensive pressure off Johnson. Yandle as I have always argued is an impact player. Yeah they'll probably ask for Hayes as well who based on his rookie season can be a very good player and is still cost controlled. I dont think they'll ask for Kreider because he's due for a second deal. Miller I would balk at, and drop the Drouin request.

kreidertime said:
Stamkos for Stepan and Yandle is a perfect deal with contingent first and second round pick going to the Rangers if Stamkos doesn't sign with the team which I'm sure he would. Tampa would be stupid not to do that because it is becoming very obvious that Stamkos wants out.
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It does make sense on paper. A rental on each side plus a top 6 C that can help their PK which is average, and this year notwithstanding has always put up very good point totals. I'd love to pull Drouin out of there as well if possible now that his value is lower.
 
It makes a lot of sense. Kind of deal Rangers make which nobody expects. Righty shot for righty shot. Tampa will probably free up 3 million as Stamkos will get 9. They might be able to keep Yandle. Stamkos has stated he wants to play in NY. I'd make that deal and not look back. Saarela looks like he has a chance to be a stud. J.T. Miller has begun to figure it out. I like him on wing but he probably can move to center now that he has figured out the NHL.
 
Prust is available on waivers. Would LOVE to bring him back here and get rid of Glass.
 
Prust over Glass is a no brainer, only Glen would pass up am opportunity like this.
 
kreidertime said:
Stamkos for Stepan and Yandle is a perfect deal with contingent first and second round pick going to the Rangers if Stamkos doesn't sign with the team which I'm sure he would. Tampa would be stupid not to do that because it is becoming very obvious that Stamkos wants out.
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Sign me up for this one. In addition, I'm not giving up gropp for drouin whose value is in the toilet. If they want hayes for drouin who hasn't done shit they can have that otherwise let them choke on drouin.
 
Interesting blurb by pat leonard today. Something may be happening shortly

"A high number of NHL scouts from teams with rumored or reported available trade targets were on the list to attend Thursday night’s Rangers game? There were two from the Winnipeg Jets (Andrew Ladd), two from the Tampa Bay Lightning (Jonathan Drouin), one from the St. Louis Blues (Kevin Shattenkirk) and San Jose Sharks (Patrick Marleau), as well as reps from the Buffalo Sabres, Columbus Blue Jackets, Arizona Coyotes, Florida Panthers, Dallas Stars and Philadelphia Flyers.

If Vigneault wasn’t sitting there with Gorton and Sather sharing ideas for how to make this team better, he should have been. And no, this hardly ever happens. This was unusual. Anyone with eyes noticed".
 
Bodkker is probably the guy from Arizona i'm sure. You could offer them something like Hayes and McIlrath as the base of that deal.
 
Ranger71 said:
Bodkker is probably the guy from Arizona i'm sure. You could offer them something like Hayes and McIlrath as the base of that deal.
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Sure we could. We sure as hell not, but we could.

Dont get me wrong I like Boedker but for either of those two? As the BASE? No way, unless theyre giving us back our first rounder.
 
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