Trade Trent

[JoshuaHall]

Trent for Jeff Teague and a protected first.

Would Ainge do that?

Why would they?

Edit: just saw protected first on their end

why would we? May not convey this year or turn into a billion shîtty picks... great

 

[Natebishop3]

For three years I have heard nothing but give Simons time, he is young. Trent who was a second rounder that year, is heads and shoulders above Ant has a couple bad games and people want to dump him. He ends up guarding one of the best players on the other team. Why should we not adopt the same attitude towards Trent that I hear on Simons. Give him time. This is his first full season of playing he will improve his passing and rebounding. I get he is a restricted free agent, but if he doesn't want to come back, work out a sign and trade in the offseason, but I think he is the type of player you need on your team if you are going to go far. Teams don't ignore him, they don't leave him and on defense you never see teams trying to switch to attack him on defense.

That is not it at all. It has nothing to do with a couple bad games. You're not paying attention. This isn't a "Trent bad Trade Now!" thread.

He's a free agent at the end of the year. Someone is going to pay him good money. He's starter quality. The problem is that he's not as good as originally thought. The gap between Trent and CJ is bigger than originally thought. The biggest difference being defense. His defense isn't as good as we thought, which was really what made CJ a luxury that could be moved for another position of need. Well, now I think Trent is the one that I would move for another position of need. Either way, someone has to go. We can't be paying CJ 30 million and Trent 15-20 million a year.

 

[blazerkor]

We can't be paying CJ 30 million and Trent 15-20 million a year.

This is it. Whatever side you take... CJ is obviously the better player but is he the better fit? We know he'll be the second option if he stays and we know Trent will be a high priced fourth if we can get a second option by trading CJ. So which do you want and think is a better fit?

If you think this is the defense that Gary will be playing in a year and going forward, we can get value back in a trade for him and think that CJ and Dame are a great one two punch, then you keep CJ. If you think Gary is going to be much better in a year because of his raw abilities, you can get a better fitting second option for CJ and that the CJ/Dame back court is just a bad fit, then you keep Gary. The simple part is that we can't keep both.

 

[twobullz]

That is not it at all. It has nothing to do with a couple bad games. You're not paying attention. This isn't a "Trent bad Trade Now!" thread.

He's a free agent at the end of the year. Someone is going to pay him good money. He's starter quality. The problem is that he's not as good as originally thought. The gap between Trent and CJ is bigger than originally thought. The biggest difference being defense. His defense isn't as good as we thought, which was really what made CJ a luxury that could be moved for another position of need. Well, now I think Trent is the one that I would move for another position of need. Either way, someone has to go. We can't be paying CJ 30 million and Trent 15-20 million a year.

So we trade the best young talent we have on the team, for penny's on the dollar, because no one is giving up a lot for a free agent to be. That is not how you build a team. There is a reason he is usually put on the best guard, he is a better defender than you all give him credit for. I personally think he ends up being our SF next year. once again he is a third year player who was a second round pick. We keep saying with Ant and Nas give them time, well Trent is the same age and advance passed both of them, what is he going to grow into?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why would they?

Edit: just saw protected first on their end

why would we? May not convey this year or turn into a billion shîtty picks... great

Not sure why we would, but I do know that many Boston fans prefer a Kemba /Pritchard duo over a Kemba/ Teague duo.

 

[James lamphear]

It does get said sometimes but CJ has proven he can distribute when he puts his mind to it (unfortunately, he often doesn't). CJ is also a significantly better shot creator. I also think CJ is a better rebounder.

Don't kill the messager but I do see in here that if CJ not hitting shots that he basically worthless on the floor. This not my quotes. Now what I think about CJ at times he looks for his shots to much. But recently as I observed this team offense this is the team offense. There no flow about this offense and I actually surprised how we get buy playing this style offense and actually winning with this type of offense.

 

[boredinsalem]

I think we should package him with Hood and try to get in on a trade that sends Oladipo to NY or MIA or Lowry to MIA.

If we could get back PJ Tucker and one of Boucher, Ntilikina, or even Maurice Harkless we would be in much better shape to make a run this year. Tucker can cover for Melo/Kanter and one of the others can help cover for Dame/CJ plus letting go of Hood is probably, unfortunately, addition by subtraction.

 

[Natebishop3]

So we trade the best young talent we have on the team, for penny's on the dollar, because no one is giving up a lot for a free agent to be

He's a RFA. He has a lot of value because the team that trades for him gets the right of refusal. It's not going to be pennies on the dollar.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I love Gary Trent great shooter but I told ya from the start no way you trade Cj and promote Trent. The guy doesn’t do anything but shoot. Yes he’s a great shooter. We know that but his defense is EXTREMELY overrated. Doesn’t create for himself or others. It would be crazy to get rid of Cj because you have Trent

 

[wizenheimer]

Well, I always have thought he was a better SF than he was a SG. Not a starter as I am hopeful for Little at that position.

I agree that Little looks like a better prospect at SF than Trent

not sure I agree that Trent is better at SF than SG. 82games.com supposedly tracks positional player/opponent production. For Trent, last season:



and for this season:



if those numbers are accurate, he definitely plays better at SG

On the other hand, Gary needs to rebound better IMO. Some players have a knack for tracking where the ball will be going off the rim. I do not see that from Trent. But what he does well is spread the floor. He is a hell of a catch and shoot 3 pt shooter.

yeah, he sucks as a rebounder

besides that, watching his defense this season, can you imagine the defense and rebounding from a Dame-CJ-Trent-Melo-Kanter unit? They'd have to average 45 points a quarter to win games

 

[AldoTrapani]

When I thought Trent was a better defender it made sense to keep him over CJ. I can live with a true 3&D shooting guard making 18-20 million. But his defense is not that good. He got burned again and again last night. I really don't think he's better than CJ at defense, in fact I think it's probably a wash, so if that's the case I would rather keep CJ. He has really improved his 3 point shooting and he's a better creator overall. He's making more money, but that means Trent is easier to move.

Plus, I don't think Neil is going to split up Dame and CJ. Not while Dame is going through all this loss. I just don't see it.

It’s not just you. I thought he was great at defense too. Everybody did.

 

[riverman]

Trent is one of the few players we can sell high on. The Spurs are looking to move Patty Mills, DeRozan, Gaye and Lamracus......we could get DeRozan for Trent and he's a decent wing defender ...we could also get JJ Redick for him or probably a lot of players who are on the block...Griffin, maybe Drummond.

 

[B-Roy]

Trent is one of the few players we can sell high on. The Spurs are looking to move Patty Mills, DeRozan, Gaye and Lamracus......we could get DeRozan for Trent and he's a decent wing defender

We cannot get Derozan for Trent. You have to add at least 2 out of DJJ/Hood/Cov/Nurk in order to match salaries. If you choose DJJ/Hood, you also need to add another filler salary like Ant or Zach.

Not to mention any trade would likely push us into the tax.

 

[riverman]

We cannot get Derozan for Trent. You have to add 2 out of DJJ/Hood/Cov/Nurk in order to match salaries.

I didn't say how you'd get him...just that this is a list of guys available...you might even use a future pick in a trade with Trent.....lot of options.

 

[wizenheimer]

If he can bring us a piece to win the championship this season then you trade him. If not you hang on to and make decisions in the off season.

true...and while I believe the Blazers won't pay to have both Trent and CJ long-term (assuming Trent gets 18-25M/year), it's not like the luxury tax kicks in the moment Trent is re-signed. Blazers would have 8 months before the following trade deadline to make a trade. And even then, if Portland stays under the tax this season, the trigger clock for repeater tax is reset. If my math is correct, repeater tax liability wouldn't be triggered until the trade deadline of the final year of CJ's contract (check me on that....I might have it wrong)

of course, while management is juggling the contracts of the CJ/Trent contracts, Dame's prime keeps burning away

 

[riverman]

Dame's prime keeps burning away

Don't believe this at all....Dame is better than he's ever been and he's not close to burning away.....Lebron either....I think this is an overused panic sentiment...Dame is a 4 year college guy....unlike Enes and Melo...he didn't get to the NBA at 18....different way to start a career and different path to breaking down physically....Chauncey Billups won his first ring later in his career....and he wasn't burned out when he won it either. Dame could win this year. Imagine that! Dame also has a backcourt mate who can drop 50 on a team...he's not without help..plus if this is Dame's prime.....I've enjoyed every year of it.....there's no waste in what he's done with his brand and his MVP possibilities...he's actually the reason some free agents are talking about Portland now.....that's got value.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We are not trading for a DeRozan, Lamarcus, Griffin, Drummond, etc on $20+million contracts. We don't have big contracts to trade with Trent, and we are not going into the luxury tax. So something like Hood, Zach, Trent gets us to maybe a $15 million player.

Any more salary and we have to put in one of Nurk/DJJ/RoCo which needs to be a higher quality starter coming back.

 

[B-Roy]

I didn't say how you'd get him...just that this is a list of guys available...you might even use a future pick in a trade with Trent.....lot of options.

I'm telling you how we can get him. You can't get around the salary matching aspect.

 

[riverman]

I'm telling you how we can get him. You can't get around the salary matching aspect.

You're assuming I didn't know that already....but it's all good. Yeah...we need to make numbers work...if that takes throwing in a Zach Collins or Hoodie....fair enough....they'll figure out what it takes if it is on the table...also don't know how much salary Jody is willing to take on to add an impact player....she's got plenty of cash sitting around

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm fine trading Trent if we get a longer term piece or a lottery quality draft pick in return. I valued CJ more prior to the season so none of this years results change my opinion there. I do agree that Trent hasn't excelled as hoped so that lessens my expectations of him.

But if we cant get a long term piece or quality draft pick just keep Trent. Its not certain he will be overpaid, nor is it certain we can't make a conference finals run if him and others get healthy. I wouldn't expect a conference finals, but I wouldn't sell contributors out of frustration or hopelessness. Dame only have ~5 elite years left and I wouldn't give up completely on this season yet. I want to see what Dame does. Last year losing 1-4 in the playoffs still gave us an epic Dame bubble run that I'll always remember.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

true...and while I believe the Blazers won't pay to have both Trent and CJ long-term (assuming Trent gets 18-25M/year), it's not like the luxury tax kicks in the moment Trent is re-signed. Blazers would have 8 months before the following trade deadline to make a trade. And even then, if Portland stays under the tax this season, the trigger clock for repeater tax is reset. If my math is correct, repeater tax liability wouldn't be triggered until the trade deadline of the final year of CJ's contract (check me on that....I might have it wrong)

of course, while management is juggling the contracts of the CJ/Trent contracts, Dame's prime keeps burning away

1. I'm just concerned about this season and winning a championship.

2. If a 'ship doesn't happen we could be looking at a new coach and/or GM.

3. Let whoever is GM deal with the Trent and CJ conundrum.

We're in a Win Now mode! Trent is lethal off the bench. Let's go fuck some teams up!

 

[wizenheimer]

Don't believe this at all....Dame is better than he's ever been and he's not close to burning away.....Lebron either....I think this is an overused panic sentiment...Dame is a 4 year college guy....unlike Enes and Melo...he didn't get to the NBA at 18....different way to start a career and different path to breaking down physically....Chauncey Billups won his first ring later in his career....and he wasn't burned out when he won it either. Dame could win this year. Imagine that! Dame also has a backcourt mate who can drop 50 on a team...he's not without help..plus if this is Dame's prime.....I've enjoyed every year of it.....there's no waste in what he's done with his brand and his MVP possibilities...he's actually the reason some free agents are talking about Portland now.....that's got value.

did you think about the context of what I was talking about before you launched into your reply?

I was talking about the long term prospect of CJ/Trent on the Blazers with awkward contracts, and looking ahead to the last year of CJ's deal when repeater tax might be an issue. Dame will be 33 going on 34 then. No matter how long you want to believe the best of Dame's prime is, the window of that prime is closing right now.

 

[riverman]

he window of that prime is closing right now.

yeah...I thought about your post...and this one....which I have no desire to follow because I don't believe Dame's success is closing right now...I think it's wide open right now and will get stronger moving forward....did you read my 4 year college guy post or my comparison to Lebron still dominating at 17 years into the league?.Dame is in year 9....and I think Trent should be traded before we have to match an offer for him...my glass is half full with Dame and the Blazers right now

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We cannot get Derozan for Trent. You have to add at least 2 out of DJJ/Hood/Cov/Nurk in order to match salaries. If you choose DJJ/Hood, you also need to add another filler salary like Ant or Zach.

Not to mention any trade would likely push us into the tax.

HA! He slipped the whole "DeRozan is a decent wing defender" right past you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The NBA always has unexpected drama in the off season. (See Harden and the Rockets for example.) I could see interesting things happening with the Clippers and their stars. I could see the Greek Freak wanting a divorce from the Bucks. We've got pieces and the Star to make the Blazers a possible player in any unexpected player movements. And while Trent isn't a star for star trade player he is an acceptable "hey fans, our star wanted out but at least we got an acceptable possible star and some other pieces in return for him."

Actually having a 2nd round player who developed into something with value is actually a good problem to have.

 

[STOMP]

I think the problem you'll run into is finding a team willing to give up a first rounder for a guy who will be a free agent in a few months. So you're gonna be limited to teams who won't be able to afford him in the summer, and they're generally loaded and won't want to spend 15-20 mil on a backup.

Sure, thats why I originally suggested a package deal of some sort with the targeted value coming back Portland's way being a 2021 draft pick. Few assets are universally attractive to all teams, but I'm sure there are some with championship aspirations in need of another swing shooter (Bucks & 76ers possibly?). There may others who view him as a player at a position of need & trading for him today could give them a leg up on resigning him.

STOMP

 

[e_blazer]

1. I'm just concerned about this season and winning a championship.

2. If a 'ship doesn't happen we could be looking at a new coach and/or GM.

3. Let whoever is GM deal with the Trent and CJ conundrum.

We're in a Win Now mode! Trent is lethal off the bench. Let's go fuck some teams up!

I agree with this. Unless there's a super deal offered that brings in a different player who would help achieve Sly's objective more than Trent would (Sly, when you say, "fuck some teams up", is that dog for "bite in the crotch"?) I say stay with Trent for the rest of the season. The Blazers can always match whatever Trent gets offered and then trade him before the deadline next season to avoid any salary cap/luxury tax issues.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It’s not just you. I thought he was great at defense too. Everybody did.

Because of his play in the bubble last year? He looked pretty good to me as well. But wasn't he playing a lot of SF?

 

[kjironman1]

No

Beat me to it.

They finally get an up and comer that plays defense and is full of energy and can stick a three consistently and now because he needs to continue to grow as a defender he needs to be traded? Can you say Future Blazer Killer?
What the actual F%@K are we thinking here?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Lu.

Dort.