Trade Trent

[Natebishop3]

This would make a lot of sense for both teams.



Dame/Rondo
CJ/Simons
RoCo/DJJ/Little
Collins/Melo
Nurk/Kanter

It fixes a lot of the issues with trying to play Simons at point guard. He can shift to his natural shooting guard position.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This would make a lot of sense for both teams.

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Dame/Rondo
CJ/Simons
RoCo/DJJ/Little
Collins/Melo
Nurk/Kanter

It fixes a lot of the issues with trying to play Simons at point guard. He can shift to his natural shooting guard position.

I would LOVE that, but I don't think it's happening

 

[RoseCityRebel]

I have officially changed my position.

After watching Gary start for most of the season, I think I would rather keep CJ. I think Trents value is high enough that he should still bring back a nice haul but his defense is overrated and he’s pretty one dimensional on offense. If his shot isn’t falling he is very nearly worthless.

I don’t want to have to pay him this summer and I don’t want him to walk away for nothing. So trade him now while he has value.

It’s nice to see people see him for what he is. A one-dimensional player who offers nothing other than good 3pt shooting. He’s Wes Matthews without the defense.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-narrative-that-trent-is-a-good-defender-is-false.362256/

 

[Natebishop3]

It’s nice to see people see him for what he is. A one-dimensional player who offers nothing other than good 3pt shooting. He’s Wes Matthews without the defense.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-narrative-that-trent-is-a-good-defender-is-false.362256/

Well we have had a nice look at what it would be like if he was our full time guy.

 

[B-Roy]

It’s nice to see people see him for what he is. A one-dimensional player who offers nothing other than good 3pt shooting. He’s Wes Matthews without the defense.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-narrative-that-trent-is-a-good-defender-is-false.362256/

Gary Trent Jr. is 22 years old. Wesley Matthews wasn't even in the league at 22 years old.

 

[Titan]

The NBA always has unexpected drama in the off season. (See Harden and the Rockets for example.) I could see interesting things happening with the Clippers and their stars. I could see the Greek Freak wanting a divorce from the Bucks. We've got pieces and the Star to make the Blazers a possible player in any unexpected player movements. And while Trent isn't a star for star trade player he is an acceptable "hey fans, our star wanted out but at least we got an acceptable possible star and some other pieces in return for him."

Actually having a 2nd round player who developed into something with value is actually a good problem to have.

I totally agree with this, but knowing blazers luck, Dame will be that disgruntled star.

 

[jlprk]

This is ridiculous. Many guys in this thread keep saying that Trent will get $15-20 million per year. Yuyuza said it over and over.

My prediction: Trent at best will get a Derrick Jones Jr. contract, $9M/yr. At most. We can keep him. It's Hood who needs to go at the Midseason Trade Deadline.

true...and while I believe the Blazers won't pay to have both Trent and CJ long-term (assuming Trent gets 18-25M/year)

WHAT THE FUCK!

25 !!!

I thought you were a sober stats guy.

 

[Natebishop3]

This is ridiculous. Many guys in this thread keep saying that Trent will get $15-20 million per year. Yuyuza said it over and over.

My prediction: Trent at best will get a Derrick Jones Jr. contract, $9M/yr. At most. We can keep him. It's Hood who needs to go at the Midseason Trade Deadline.



WHAT THE FUCK!

25 !!!

I thought you were a sober stats guy.

DJJ only got 9 million a year because he couldn’t shoot.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

We are not trading for a DeRozan, Lamarcus, Griffin, Drummond, etc on $20+million contracts. We don't have big contracts to trade with Trent, and we are not going into the luxury tax. So something like Hood, Zach, Trent gets us to maybe a $15 million player.

Any more salary and we have to put in one of Nurk/DJJ/RoCo which needs to be a higher quality starter coming back.

Maybe we get Rondo and Collins for Trent and Hood? No additional draft picks required.

 

[Tince]

My prediction: Trent at best will get a Derrick Jones Jr. contract, $9M/yr. At most. We can keep him. It's Hood who needs to go at the Midseason Trade Deadline.

Unless he blows out his knee, he'll be getting over $9m/year.

 

[James lamphear]

Majority of the team is into stats right now Trent offense stats is pretty good but there a lot weakness on the offense side they are not a great passer and not a good rebounder for his position. Defensely his stats are his worst defender we got that if someone looking at his stats. But what I see about his defense he opened up on the defense that's make easy to go around plus his stats properly would be better if we a rim protector behind him but that could be the case about majority of the players. I don't see him getting no more 12 on the high end and maybe 9 on the low end. But his agent will try to get more but I just don't there will be anyone actually bit this year just because the money situation from virus.

 

[wizenheimer]

WHAT THE FUCK!

25 !!!

I thought you were a sober stats guy.

I'm a stats guy, but how the hell did you get the idea I was ever sober?

and, every time you think Trent will only get paid what he's worth, say Crabbe....or hell, say Turner. Or Chandler Parsons. There always seems to be one brain-dead GM....often in Portland

 

[HailBlazers]

He could be good at Defense but with Stotts we'll never know.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Gary Trent Jr. is 22 years old. Wesley Matthews wasn't even in the league at 22 years old.

What’s your point? Sounds like the same people who claimed that Sergio Rodriguez would develop a 3pt shot as he got older. Let someone else waste money on a long Trent contract. He’s less than average now based on all comparative advanced stats.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I have officially changed my position.

After watching Gary start for most of the season, I think I would rather keep CJ. I think Trents value is high enough that he should still bring back a nice haul but his defense is overrated and he’s pretty one dimensional on offense. If his shot isn’t falling he is very nearly worthless.

I don’t want to have to pay him this summer and I don’t want him to walk away for nothing. So trade him now while he has value.

Thank God Olshey is the GM not you or CJ would’ve already been traded even though CJ IS BETTER THAN TRENT IN EVERY FACET OF THE GAME. Glad you see that now.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

When I thought Trent was a better defender it made sense to keep him over CJ. I can live with a true 3&D shooting guard making 18-20 million. But his defense is not that good. He got burned again and again last night. I really don't think he's better than CJ at defense, in fact I think it's probably a wash, so if that's the case I would rather keep CJ. He has really improved his 3 point shooting and he's a better creator overall. He's making more money, but that means Trent is easier to move.

Plus, I don't think Neil is going to split up Dame and CJ. Not while Dame is going through all this loss. I just don't see it.

Olshey: Duh

 

[Sheldon Shape]

You don't let talent like Trent walk for nothing in a small market.

Pay the man. He's a plus on the court.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Well we have had a nice look at what it would be like if he was our full time guy.

Yup. I still love Trent but I’m glad we got to see him more and like I been saying even before Cj got hurt he’s not close to the value Cj is.

And again his defense, ehhh

 

[GDiama]

This would make a lot of sense for both teams.

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Dame/Rondo
CJ/Simons
RoCo/DJJ/Little
Collins/Melo
Nurk/Kanter

It fixes a lot of the issues with trying to play Simons at point guard. He can shift to his natural shooting guard position.

I don't believe it makes sense for the Hawks. They have Huerter, Bogdanovic, Reddish and Hunter for the SG/SF positions. They don't really need another wing. And that is selling Collins hella cheap, it won't happen. We are basically giving them nothing of value since Trent is also up for a new contract so it's not like they save a lot of money.

This is a very bad trade for the Hawks since they have complete control over one of the best PFs in the league.

 

[blazerkor]

Shit! No one is saying that Gary is better than CJ but the team just isn't worse enough with Gary playing instead of CJ to justify keeping CJ, in my opinion. I think Gary's defense was overrated but now this forum has swung the other way and are underrating that part of his game. He is the better defender between him and CJ... especially next to Dame. On offense the reason we haven't seen the fall off is because Gary does what a teammate of Dame's should do... which is shoot the open shots. The ball doesn't stall nearly as badly with Gary as it does with CJ.

Gary is far far far less valuable as a basketball player than CJ but he is only far less valuable to this team. Therefore Gary should stay because he doesn't have anywhere close to the trade value that CJ has and there isn't a big enough drop off in our performance to justify not getting a more complementary second option than CJ is in a trade in which CJ goes out.

I could be wrong about all of this because maybe Gary's trade value is really high around the league and that would make this argument void. If you can get the same thing for Gary as you can for CJ (even if he is MeJ) then you keep CJ.

 

[BlayZa]

we complain about the lack of people willing to come n play for us, yet at the same time seem content in some corners to let an asset like GTJ walk.

its a weird ole thing we got going on here

 

[STOMP]

1) So you think that in a “loaded” draft someone is gonna give up a “good” pick for the honor of paying GTJ 15-20 mill +? What would incentivize a team to do this? Logically this makes absolutely no sense. & blah blah blah...

Good grief dude, use your eyeballs and read before you lose your shit over a straw man. I said "I'd love to swing some sort of a package deal that brings back a mid to late 1st for him in this loaded next draft." Whats in that hypothetical package deal was not defined and obviously could vary wildly.

I also made suggestions that the 76ers and Bucks could be motivated trade partners looking to upgrade their title aspirations. Phili is starting 33 year old Danny Green who, besides largely sucking ass this season, is about to be an UFA. Can your logically challenged brain see how they might be interested in holding Trent's Bird rights? The Bucks feature a guard rotation of Jrue Holiday, Donte Divincenzo, DJ Augustin & Bryn Forbes... pretty sure they'd love to add a SG sized sniper to displace some of that dreck. Hell yes they'd plan on resigning him too. Both of those teams are in win now mode. Their incentive in potentially acquiring Trent is obvious... they have a need for wing sized legit outside threats to spread the court in support of their superstar.

STOMP

 

[Hoopguru]

As expected, I disagree. Gary is playing better D than CJ ever has throughout his time next to Dame. Gary has more urgency on that end and better raw material than CJ. Gary is shooting the spot up three when CJ would pound the rock and stall the offense. When Gary is shooting that three he is just as effective as CJ is when doing the right thing. There is no way that Gary makes even close to CJ's salary next season. CJ is about where he's going to be and Gary has a ton of upside that will make an impact during Dame's prime. I think if he's seen as a second scoring option to a big that CJ's trade value is far higher than Gary's. So my mind hasn't changed.

We need a better fit as our number two player than CJ is. Gary is a great number four starter. All of this said I honestly think we'll all get to have a far more informed opinion by the time it matters because I think Olshey is going to keep both through the deadline and then (if Olshey is still with the team) make a decision after the season ends.

This is ridiculous. Many guys in this thread keep saying that Trent will get $15-20 million per year. Yuyuza said it over and over.

My prediction: Trent at best will get a Derrick Jones Jr. contract, $9M/yr. At most. We can keep him. It's Hood who needs to go at the Midseason Trade Deadline.



WHAT THE FUCK!

25 !!!

I thought you were a sober stats guy.

The man has Clutch so he will get paid well beyond measure.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Good grief dude, use your eyeballs and read before you lose your shit over a straw man. I said "I'd love to swing some sort of a package deal that brings back a mid to late 1st for him in this loaded next draft." Whats in that hypothetical package deal was not defined and obviously could vary wildly.

I also made suggestions that the 76ers and Bucks could be motivated trade partners looking to upgrade their title aspirations. Phili is starting 33 year old Danny Green who, besides largely sucking ass this season, is about to be an UFA. Can your logically challenged brain see how they might be interested in holding Trent's Bird rights? The Bucks feature a guard rotation of Jrue Holiday, Donte Divincenzo, DJ Augustin & Bryn Forbes... pretty sure they'd love to add a SG sized sniper to displace some of that dreck. Hell yes they'd plan on resigning him too. Both of those teams are in win now mode. Their incentive in potentially acquiring Trent is obvious... they have a need for wing sized legit outside threats to spread the court in support of their superstar.

STOMP

Yes, I’m clearly losing my shit. I’m so offended by your hypothetical scenarios. Any trade “package” that is centered on a mid to late FRP is a non starter. Or is the trade not centered on that? If not, why mention it? Clearly that’s what you valued, no?

What do the 76ers have to offer us? What do the Bucks have?

Also with the 76ers cap situation that could be tricky for them.

Anyhow, I can see your brain has the emotional intelligence, sophistication and critical thinking capacity of a high school girl, so bye princess.

 

[stampedehero]

1) Mid to late first is worthless. Honestly how often do those picks work out?
2) Trent is essentially what you *wish* you got from a mid to late first.
3) Trade him for a mid to late first — bust odds are extremely high. *if* we hit we are looking at probably at least 3 years before this person is a contributor — or we “trade them for nothing” once again.
4) we don’t have to let him “walk for nothing.” We can trade CJ, which is much more likely to get us something of *actual* value. We can keep him.
5) Trading Trent for a shît first round pick is absolutely not worth it in my book.

Besides all this, CJ costs bocu bucks and Trent is younger. The complaint on defense can carry on to all the team except Covington and DJJ.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Michael Carter-Williams and Aaron Gordon for Gary Trent Jr, Rodney Hood and Zach Collins works.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's like some of you have no concept of the salary cap.

Do you really want to have Dame on a supermax, CJ on 30+ million per year, and Gary making 18-20 million per year?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

we complain about the lack of people willing to come n play for us, yet at the same time seem content in some corners to let an asset like GTJ walk.

its a weird ole thing we got going on here

My friend, it is in fact, complicated.

We let LMA walk, and it hurt the franchise for years.
We paid Biebs and Crabbe, and it hurt the franchise for years.

We did attempt to "pay the man" and he turned it down.

 

[Natebishop3]

My friend, it is in fact, complicated.

We let LMA walk, and it hurt the franchise for years.
We paid Biebs and Crabbe, and it hurt the franchise for years.

We did attempt to "pay the man" and he turned it down.

The writing had been on the wall for YEARS that LMA was going to bail. It was flat out stupid to not trade him.

 

[STOMP]

Yes, I’m clearly losing my shit. I’m so offended by your hypothetical scenarios. Any trade “package” that is centered on a mid to late FRP is a non starter. Or is the trade not centered on that? If not, why mention it? Clearly that’s what you valued, no?

What do the 76ers have to offer us? What do the Bucks have?

Also with the 76ers cap situation that could be tricky for them.

Anyhow, I can see your brain has the emotional intelligence, sophistication and critical thinking capacity of a high school girl, so bye princess.

I made a statement in support of trading Trent for value before he walks. You responded in complete ignorance of the quality of this upcoming draft saying that a late 1st is "worthless" & "shit". I'm willing to trade anyone for the benefit of the team while you're clearly all about GTJ, but whatever. I politely informed you that this upcoming draft is not shit/worthless. Your response was to insult me stating my thoughts make "absolutely no sense". The pick that was shit/worthless was now "the next Michael Porter Jr." and no team would part with that. You further demonstrated you've no idea about how Bird rights work.

I've been posting in this group of Blazer fans for over 2 decades now. Pretty obvious you're just another naive little fanboy in way over your head. Unable to disagree without insults and too stupid to know when you're stepping in it. Suck a bag of dicks fanboy!

STOMP