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Okafor: good call. I always thought it was weird that they traded for him, because their owner is a notorious cheapskate, and Paul/Chandler was gold.

BUT: I actually like Brand better, just because he can score. Okafor is like a slightly-richer-man's Kandiman. Does he do anything above average? I'm not even sure he's a big step up over Juwan Howard.
There is no way I'd offer a package that included BOTH Outlaw AND Rudy for him. He's just too bleh.

Comparison over the last ten games: I guess Okafor is a better rebounder. But boy, that is Dudley-esque FT shooting.

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       Scoring Statistics
   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 1 brand,elton       PF 10 31.8   59  124 .476   0   1 .000   24   37 .649 14.2
 5 okafor,emeka       C 10 31.1   49   91 .538   0   0 .000   16   33 .485 11.4


Rebounding Statistics
   Player             AS AS/g  ST ST/G  TO TO/g  BK BK/g  TND  OR OR/g  TR TR/g
 1 brand,elton        16  1.6  17  1.7  15  1.5  13  1.3 15.2  25 2.5   63  6.3
 5 okafor,emeka        9  0.9   5  0.5  11  1.1  15  1.5 15.8  30 3.0   88  8.8
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okafor is like a slightly-richer-man's Kandiman. Does he do anything above average?
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Sure, Okafor is an excellent rebounder (18.4% career Rebound Rate--20% is elite) and a very good defender (104 defensive rating, where 100 or below is tremendous and average seems to be around 108 or so).

Now, I think defensive rating is a very noisy stat, but it jibes with most people's view of his defense, that he's solidly above-average.

I'd really like to have Okafor as a backup to Oden. He'd be a deluxe version of Pryzbilla...healthy, younger and a better scorer (though hardly standout at that) while possessing Przybilla's virtues (rebounding and defense).

I'd give up pretty much any combination of Przybilla, Webster, Outlaw, Blake and maybe even Rudy (but hopefully, cash savings would be enough to tempt the Hornets without including Roodee). A front court rotation of Oden/Aldridge/Okafor would be splendid for years.
 
Buzz Killington said:
So everyone who has a few games off, we need to "trade ASAP". Why don't we just let it bake a little bit. I'd rather keep him versus all of the trade proposals. None of those guys will really help us all that much. Hinrich might but that will just create a bigger logjam in the back-court.

If its a trade for Brendan Haywood...sure, why not. But Martell has definitely improved his defense and shot selection. Still not perfect, but he's doing fine now.


I love this notion of players never ever changing. Especially when they're like 22 years old.
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In Webster's career in Portland....he's only had a few games "on!" More off than on!

Agree: Move him now! Even if it is for a team's First Round pick in next year's draft! Make room for Trout.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure, Okafor is an excellent rebounder (18.4% career Rebound Rate--20% is elite) and a very good defender (104 defensive rating, where 100 or below is tremendous and average seems to be around 108 or so).

Now, I think defensive rating is a very noisy stat, but it jibes with most people's view of his defense, that he's solidly above-average.

I'd really like to have Okafor as a backup to Oden. He'd be a deluxe version of Pryzbilla...healthy, younger and a better scorer (though hardly standout at that) while possessing Przybilla's virtues (rebounding and defense).

I'd give up pretty much any combination of Przybilla, Webster, Outlaw, Blake and maybe even Rudy (but hopefully, cash savings would be enough to tempt the Hornets without including Roodee). A front court rotation of Oden/Aldridge/Okafor would be splendid for years.
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:clap::cheers:
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So Travis is coming back. And Batum's minutes are going up. And when Roy comes back, Rudy's minutes might be squeezed... Time to move someone. I nominate Webster
a) because he's headed to the bench sooner or later, and he doesn't play well there
b) his value is as high as it's going to get, and may already have dipped since Batum got back

Suggestions for trades?

Webster for Brandon Bass (plausible, because Bass never plays and they shoot a ton of threes, but they also have the same player but with clutchness in Pietrus)
Webster for Scalabrine (undesirable, but Scalabrine's contract is up at the end of the year)
Blake and Webster for our old pal Kirk Hinrich (I like it, but I can't see Chicago going for it because they've just started playing well since they realized that Rose was not a PG and they start him alongside Hinrich)
Webster for Kwame Brown (I feel almost icky suggesting it, BUT (a) Brown's contract is up, and (b) he actually outplayed Bynum in a win against the Lakers last season. And You Can't Teach Height.
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But you can't teach desire either. Many times you will see the trainer come over to Kwame after a shift and check his pulse - to make sure he's still alive. Sometimes it's hard to tell with him.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
In Webster's career in Portland....he's only had a few games "on!" More off than on!

Agree: Move him now! Even if it is for a team's First Round pick in next year's draft! Make room for Trout.
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Lets see, he starts playing some of the best ball of his career so lets trade him for nothing as fast as possible to make room for a player who will become a free agent this summer? All because of pre-conceived notions about his fraility in competing for a starting position?




I'm not going to have to start another Fire Pritch thread will I?
 
I would hate to see Webster go but you can see the kid wilts as soon as something happens to shake his confidence. It's a damn shame because he wants it really bad, unfortunately he's his own worst enemy. I think he's having a very similar problem that Blake had earlier this year. They both knew/know that they are starting in front of a player that is better than them.

I think Webster would play much better if he came off the bench.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I would hate to see Webster go but you can see the kid wilts as soon as something happens to shake his confidence. It's a damn shame because he wants it really bad, unfortunately he's his own worst enemy. I think he's having a very similar problem that Blake had earlier this year. They both knew/know that they are starting in front of a player that is better than them.

I think Webster would play much better if he came off the bench.
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Yeah, but he's young he'll eventually learn. People said he wouldn't learn how to do anything other than just shoot 3s, but he's getting better at cutting to the hole..also playing better defense. He's not a bad contract...he would be a great role player or even more if he gets his stuff together. A bruce bowen type would be GREAT on a championship team. Better than TROUT (I still love the guy) who just seems to shoot or break up the offense at times.
 
fucking scalabrine? really?

dalembert people, he is a rebounding machine, better c than pryz by far.
 
I was on the Robin Lopez bandwagon since this summer and now that he's starting he has played himself out of attainability. The guy is a beast.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To alleviate the time crunch, I would like to see a combination of Blake, Outlaw, Rudy, and Joel moved. I want to ensure there is plenty of playing time for Bayless, Batum, and to a certain extent Pendergraph and Cunningham. Webster is an enigma for me. I love what he brings to the team, shooting, defense, energy... but he has always had confidence issues and we've seen a drop in his production since Nic came back.

I want to hold onto Jerryd because I think he can play both guard positions, which I'm not convinced Rudy can do. With a three guard lineup of Miller, Roy, and Bayless, I think we're in good shape for the next few years.

I think we should target a f/c because when Oden comes back, they can backup both Greg and LMA. There should be plenty of minutes to go around. Pendy might be that guy, but I'm not sure he can do the backup center job.

Rudy/Blake/Outlaw for Okafor.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykb74of

New Orleans is sunk without Paul. Okafor is a big contract with five years left. He starts for us immediately and then he backs up both front court spots next year when Greg comes back. If Greg never gets healthy again, Okafor is a nice replacement long term.

Miller/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Bayless/Webster
Batum/Webster/Cunningham
Aldridge/Okafor/Pendergraph
Okafor/Howard/Oden (until healthy)
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I'm down with your deal, except I think it should be Webster instead of Outlaw. Specifically, we know that whichever one stays will be coming off the bench whenever Nic gets his starting gig back; we know Outlaw can be effective as a reserve, but Webster has never shown that ability.
 
Martell is pretty obviously a movable piece and probably nearer to his highest trade value ever in the buy low sell high dynamic. Batum sure seems to be the guy at the 3 and MW has never done well coming off the bench while Outlaw has. Victor Claver and Cunningham seem viable backup 3 options as we go forward. MW also has a very palatable contract for a team looking for a outside threat wing. I don't think he has to go ASAP, but I'm pretty sure they're including him in their various trade discussions.

About the only positional need for the team is one more serviceable Big as Joel is no spring chicken... though maybe English Joel can fill that need

STOMP
 
zagsfan20 said:
Where do I sign? Nelson is having Turiaf rot on his bench. That guy is the most manic coach I've ever seen.
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So we go from a PF without heart to his backup having a heart so big it almost exploded?
 
Aim higher and go for Biedrins.

Everyone on that roster is up for grabs.
 
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