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How many trades will the Blazer make on or before Draft night(s)?

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    Votes: 13 29.5%

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    Votes: 15 34.1%

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    Votes: 11 25.0%

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    Votes: 5 11.4%
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Not convinced the team will move off Grant and Ant just yet as may want to see if offers improve up to deadline. If the right deal comes before camp they will but I dont think they feel any pressure too as they are on a 2-4 more year rebuild journey.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah this is what I fear we may have to expect. Lock up the 3rd worst record in an epically weak draft, then try to make a playin push when theres a generational draft.
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it does seem like there's a good chance the Blazers will fall down those stairs

part of me keeps thinking that they won't be that dumb. But Cronin was the one that signed Ant for 25M/year when no team would have even offered 18M/year; or maybe even 15M/year. He signed Gary Payton and hard-capped the Blazers to do so. He signed Grant to a 33M/year deal and it's doubtful Grant could have got 22M/year on the open market. He coveted Ayton for a couple of years and finally landed him in the Dame trade and Ayton is kind of an empty-calorie big man, IMO. He matched a bloated offer sheet to Thybulle

I like the Avdija trade, but there are enough similarities to the two-first-round-picks-for-RoCo-treading-water-cover-the-Gm's-ass trade that dovetail into those other moves to make one wonder, especially if the Blazers keep Grant

those all look like the moves of a GM who would be OK with years of play-in tournaments. Not of a GM willing to roll the dice on a string of lotteries while keeping his powder dry. Maybe a GM seeking shelter among the section of Blazer fans who are trotting on the 'tired of losing/missing the playoffs' treadmill. Those fans wanting to extend a futile season by 4 or 5 games followed by a lousy draft pick
 
Natebishop3 said:
To me, taking slightly less value on Grant and Simons is worth it to get a top 3 pick.
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the question I have is "slightly less value" than what? If Portland is demanding two unprotected first's for Grant and his real, around the league value, is one somewhat protected first, slightly less is still way over blue book

my hunch is that a lot of people here are either over-estimating Laker desperation or under-estimating Laker intelligence (the front office, not the fans)
 
The worst three teams all have the exact same odds for the top 3 picks. There is no way to guarantee a top 3 pick even if we lose every game.

The only real control we have by tanking is top 5 if we get the absolute worst record.
 
Pelicans just signed Theis for the minimum.

Takes them away from the Rob destinations I think.
 
illmatic99 said:
Pelicans just signed Theis for the minimum.

Takes them away from the Rob destinations I think.
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they don't have a Timelord matching contract to trade anyway. Doubt they were ever a TL destination. Doesn't take them out of the Ayton destination sweepstakes though
 
illmatic99 said:
The worst three teams all have the exact same odds for the top 3 picks. There is no way to guarantee a top 3 pick even if we lose every game.

The only real control we have by tanking is top 5 if we get the absolute worst record.
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We don't need to lockup the worst record, but we should try to have one of the bottom records. Yes that gives us the same or similar odds to #1/#2... and will stop us from dropping too far.

I'd expect the tanking is MUCH more competitive next season so if we go into the year with our current roster and win a number of games early on it might be difficult to drop below #7 spot or so. That would be a disaster and potentially push us to the back of the lottery picks.

Blazers should just get rid of all (or nearly all) our vets with any trade value and try to win all year with our youth. That probably locks up a bottom 4 record, and it would be much more enjoyable than the prior 3 years of wildly different phases when trying hard/vets/tanking/phantom injuries/G Leaguers starting we've had to put up with.

Trading our vets should get us a couple long term pieces too, though I think many posters here are overestimating those returns.
 
wizenheimer said:
it does seem like there's a good chance the Blazers will fall down those stairs

part of me keeps thinking that they won't be that dumb. But Cronin was the one that signed Ant for 25M/year when no team would have even offered 18M/year; or maybe even 15M/year. He signed Gary Payton and hard-capped the Blazers to do so. He signed Grant to a 33M/year deal and it's doubtful Grant could have got 22M/year on the open market. He coveted Ayton for a couple of years and finally landed him in the Dame trade and Ayton is kind of an empty-calorie big man, IMO. He matched a bloated offer sheet to Thybulle

I like the Avdija trade, but there are enough similarities to the two-first-round-picks-for-RoCo-treading-water-cover-the-Gm's-ass trade that dovetail into those other moves to make one wonder, especially if the Blazers keep Grant

those all look like the moves of a GM who would be OK with years of play-in tournaments. Not of a GM willing to roll the dice on a string of lotteries while keeping his powder dry. Maybe a GM seeking shelter among the section of Blazer fans who are trotting on the 'tired of losing/missing the playoffs' treadmill. Those fans wanting to extend a futile season by 4 or 5 games followed by a lousy draft pick
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All of the Ant, Nurk, Grant contracts were very odd, and odd how they sat out so many games months prior. Makes me wonder if we had handshake agreements with them. Can't imagine a player volunteering to sit out when they could pad their stats with huge scoring numbers during a tank and right before they hit unrestricted free agency.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
All of the Ant, Nurk, Grant contracts were very odd, and odd how they sat out so many games months prior. Makes me wonder if we had handshake agreements with them. Can't imagine a player volunteering to sit out when they could pad their stats with huge scoring numbers during a tank and right before they hit unrestricted free agency.
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it could be that Grant had a verbal agreement with the Blazers before the trade was made
 
So the plan is to get rid of any player who is good enough to help us win this year.
Trade Grant, Ayton, and Simons, and make sure we don't get back anyone who might be good. All so we can get in the top 3-4.
What possibly could go wrong?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So the plan is to get rid of any player who is good enough to help us win this year.
Trade Grant, Ayton, and Simons, and make sure we don't get back anyone who might be good. All so we can get in the top 3-4.
What possibly could go wrong?
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Scoot Sharpe Clingan Deni Camara Reath all may be good enough to help us win this year, I see no reason to push to trade any of them.

Trading the other vets on this roster makes sense as
1 They have more win now value to other teams
2 Blazers have no or negative win now incentive
3 These players are unlikely to improve much more and increase their worth
4 Blazers have more use for a long term asset that could help Sharpe/etc win when we are a legit playoff roster. Other teams may value long term lower than immediate term.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So the plan is to get rid of any player who is good enough to help us win this year.
Trade Grant, Ayton, and Simons, and make sure we don't get back anyone who might be good. All so we can get in the top 3-4.
What possibly could go wrong?
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I never said anything about trading Ayton. But I think Simons and Grant could net us some unwanted wins.
 
Supposedly the Pelicans are really interested in Wendell Carter Jr. I doubt they're also interested in TimeLord, but if it wasn't for his knee they absolutely would be...

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Given all the money they've been throwing around, though, I don't think the Magic would want to face giving Ingram a huge contract next year...
 

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Kuzma also already could have chemistry with Lebron. I find it hard to believe the Wizards stick to 2 1sts for him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I never said anything about trading Ayton. But I think Simons and Grant could net us some unwanted wins.
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I would not trade Ayton. But I don't see how you can differentiate between the 3. They all have the potential to get you some unwanted wins.

Personally, the only one of those three I would trade is Grant. I would also move Thybulle.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
They haven't the last 2 years....
Why would they start this season?
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Simons was out for a large portion of the first half of the season and then we sat both of them in the second half. They have barely played. But I have been saying that we can’t afford to win 20+ games this year if we want to make a play for a top 3 pick and if we run it back with Simons/Grant, I think we win more than we did last season because so many teams will be hard tanking.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So the plan is to get rid of any player who is good enough to help us win this year.
Trade Grant, Ayton, and Simons, and make sure we don't get back anyone who might be good. All so we can get in the top 3-4.
What possibly could go wrong?
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Ya and people are acting like it’s a sure thing we get a top 3 pick if we are lose a ton next season.

People act like Sharpe and others will want to stay here long term too, if we aren’t winning year after year what will make them want to stay?

there is lots more at risk tanking again next season than people realize.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Simons was out for a large portion of the first half of the season and then we sat both of them in the second half. They have barely played. But I have been saying that we can’t afford to win 20+ games this year if we want to make a play for a top 3 pick and if we run it back with Simons/Grant, I think we win more than we did last season because so many teams will be hard tanking.
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I don't disagree with any of this - but what teams are hard tanking in the west? Only I can think of is Utah, Spurs and maybe us?

Utah isn't even fully in that group until they trade away Markannan, which I'd suspect they ultimately do and for nothing near the return Ainge is trying to paint a picture of in the media.

East certainly has a lot more tankers - but we only play them twice. Brooklyn, Raptors, Chicago, Wizards, Pistons.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't disagree with any of this - but what teams are hard tanking in the west? Only I can think of is Utah, Spurs and maybe us?

Utah isn't even fully in that group until they trade away Markannan, which I'd suspect they ultimately do and for nothing near the return Ainge is trying to paint a picture of in the media.

East certainly has a lot more tankers - but we only play them twice. Brooklyn, Raptors, Chicago, Wizards, Pistons.
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Let's say we run it back and our starting unit is Simons/Sharpe/Avdija/Grant/Ayton

If we're healthy, or not holding people out, I could see us taking 2 wins off all the teams you mentioned in the east. That's 10 wins right there. Spurs and Jazz are definitely an enigma. I think San Antonio is going to be borderline playin if Wemby plays at the level we expect. Let's say we split with them. Or take one win. That puts us around 12 wins.

I think the Hawks are going to be bad. I think Charlotte will continue to be bad. I think Miami is going to depend on Jimmy. I think we could get 3 wins out of that group. So we're up to 15. And then there's always the surprise wins over playoff teams.

Here were the wins over playoff teams last year:

Indy 2x
Cleveland
Phoenix
Sac
Philly
Milwaukie

That's 7 wins that could very easily be added to the win column again this year because of team health and other issues.

That would put us up around 22.
 
sheed30 said:
Ya and people are acting like it’s a sure thing we get a top 3 pick if we are lose a ton next season.

People act like Sharpe and others will want to stay here long term too, if we aren’t winning year after year what will make them want to stay?

there is lots more at risk tanking again next season than people realize.
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I would agree with that. Losing for multiple years is hard to take. Nobody enjoys it. Who is Sharpe's agent again? Klutch Sports? Maybe they will be too busy with Bronny to notice.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So the plan is to get rid of any player who is good enough to help us win this year.
Trade Grant, Ayton, and Simons, and make sure we don't get back anyone who might be good. All so we can get in the top 3-4.
What possibly could go wrong?
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Think that's still a better approach than winning 33 games as the 13th seed, ending up with the 10th pick.

At the same time, reducing PT for our high profile prospects, and no answering questions about their future viability as building blocks.
 
If the Blazers had gotten Brandon Miller instead of Scoot, Dame stays. They didn’t and the choice was clear … rebuild, only. Grant got his money and was — and still is — a good asset.

Grant is the best player on the team and 2 first rounders with a decent forward in Rui is reasonable. Mikal Bridges was the 3rd best on the Suns, 1st on a bad team, and now the #2 on the Knicks. The Nets got a boatload for KD and again for MB. Except for a better contract for 2 years, Grant and Bridges careers are not far apart as players, though I like Bridges better. Grant is a #3 on a contender and dudes like that get paid. Compared to what others are getting, his contract is okay as a % of the cap.

Cronin should be patient. Summer League is big.

With Ant, he should be traded by February as it’s him or Scoot — and Ant has better value at this time. The Blazers have clearly telegraphed their choice. Ant is better, now. As a PG, Scoot would be my pick. Good luck Cronin. Ayton? No rush.
 
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