Trades possibilities....and what teams are open for business (1 Viewer)

[CJ_is_Gone]

Oh look, a team with even less desirable assets than the Mavs

I wouldn't say that. I think this one works well

Grant
for
'29 pick + '31 pick + Rui + Vincent

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Pelicans have their 25 pick (after they deferred the chance to get the 2024 one).

And as I understand it, as their 25 picks is outgoing, they will be forced to retain the 26 pick until after that draft (as per Stepien rule).

From what I gather, the 26 pick isn't trade-able either.

My doubts are about 2029.

29 can be traded: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

 

[blazerkor]

I would evaluate what we could get for the pieces the Lakers were offering. I don't think Rui or Gabe Vincent are necessarily what our team needs. Maybe keep Vincent if you move Ant and Malcolm. How high of a pick does 17 and 14 get us in this draft? Are the Lakers willing to add their 2029 FRP to make this a fair trade?

No way do you take that deal in the tweet on its face value but it could be a place to start from and see if we can get what we want/need from what the Lakers are ultimately willing to offer for Jerami. If we just took Rui, Gabe and pick 17 we'd be fucking ourselves and giving the Lakers a sweetheart deal. Again though, it's not too far off in terms of value, just needs one other major piece and would need a third team.

 

[Natebishop3]

Here are the Lakers picks



So NOP gets the 2025 pick.

Utah will most likely get the 2027 pick.

So they could do 2029 and 2031?

 

[Cugel]

Luka and Wemby will be Lakers by 31. Horrible pock

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Lakers can keep #17... get 2029 or 2031 unprotected from them instead and we have a deal.

If they want protections then we need both picks.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I agree, to be honest I think Brogdon and Grant could have similar impacts as Hart had on NY. I could see either of them having a big impact on playoff team.

Yeah Brogdon and Grant could have a huge impact for the right team. They are versatile enough to help a ton of teams, especially Brogdon.

Ant could help but its far fewer teams, Orlando would be one but there's many fewer options than Brogdon/Grant.

Ayton is the most difficult to envision him pushing a team over the hump, as his salary is so high and so few teams need centers. I'd consider him the least likely of the 4 to be traded. At the deadline if a team has an injury or next offseason would be far more likely.

Thybulle might be traded but doesn't have FRP value. Maybe he can bring tax relief and a 2nd.

I'd think they are most to least likely to be traded in this order;
Brogdon
Grant
Thybulle
Ant
Ayton

 

[illmatic99]

Here are the Lakers picks

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So NOP gets the 2025 pick.

Utah will most likely get the 2027 pick.

So they could do 2029 and 2031?

17th pick this yr.
29 unprotected.

Fillers.

I might consider this.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

How about we add Brogdon to the Lakers trade, talk to D'Angelo agent so he picks up his option and we will work for a buyout, then get the Lakers 2029+2031 picks unprotected plus a 2030 swap unprotected? So pictured trade but with a 2031 unprotected pick



Lakers starting lineup is much better after the trade - can be a real contender;

Brogdon
Reaves
Grant
LBJ
Davis

We control all Lakers 2029-2031 drafts

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Then trade Ant to Orlando, two more picks plus gets us out of the tax.



Blazers would continue to explore trading all of Ayton, WCJ, Hacimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Thybulle, Timelord. We can keep them into the season for their vet experience until the right deal comes along. Most likely a couple of them have a good year and become worth more.

We'd have increased our hoard of draft picks greatly going from 11 to 16!

2025 Own
2025 Denver
2026 Own
2027 Own
2027 Orlando
2028 Own
2028 Swap Milwaukee
2029 Own
2029 Lakers
2029 Boston
2029 Milwaukee
2030 Own
2030 Swap Milwaukee
2030 Swap Lakers
2031 Own
2031 Lakers

(edit corrected Mil/Bos picks)

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Long term plan with the above two trades is just to continue to acquire picks and young players - then hopefully in the next few years we get a couple guys who improve to near allstar level. Most likely that is one of Scoot/Sharpe or the 2025 picked player. Whenever that happens where we get an established star we can begin cashing in those picks in a trade to bring the final contending veteran 2nd allstar to our lineup.

If none of Scoot/Sharpe/2025 pick become a star the plan gets delayed and we just keep drafting. So a route such as this is much better with either path - if our youth develops this lets us build more assets to surround them with a real contending supporting cast. If our youth doesn't develop we have more picks, chances, or assets to move up in a draft and get that ellusive star.

The underlying concept is we really need to sell the current value of Brogdon/Grant/Ant/etc to teams trying to win now - and use that to get back much more long term value when Scoot/Sharpe/2025 pick/others/etc are entering their prime.

 

[Glazeduck2]

Long term plan with the above two trades is just to continue to acquire picks and young players - then hopefully in the next few years we get a couple guys who improve to near allstar level. Most likely that is one of Scoot/Sharpe or the 2025 picked player. Whenever that happens where we get an established star we can begin cashing in those picks in a trade to bring the final contending veteran 2nd allstar to our lineup.

If none of Scoot/Sharpe/2025 pick become a star the plan gets delayed and we just keep drafting. So a route such as this is much better with either path - if our youth develops this lets us build more assets to surround them with a real contending supporting cast. If our youth doesn't develop we have more picks, chances, or assets to move up in a draft and get that ellusive star.

The underlying concept is we really need to sell the current value of Brogdon/Grant/Ant/etc to teams trying to win now - and use that to get back much more long term value when Scoot/Sharpe/2025 pick/others/etc are entering their prime.

Magic trade is fine, Lakers trade would be disappointing.

Unless someone really opens up their war chest for us, I think Grant's optimal selling time is after teams strike out in free agency. We have enough ammo to get the guys we want in this draft, focus should be on '25...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Would Indy consider giving us Walker to upgrade from Turner to Ayton?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I wouldn't say that. I think this one works well

Grant
for
'29 pick + '31 pick + Rui + Vincent

I'm not interested in picks where I may have died of old age before we get to use them

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Yeah Brogdon and Grant could have a huge impact for the right team. They are versatile enough to help a ton of teams, especially Brogdon.

Ant could help but its far fewer teams, Orlando would be one but there's many fewer options than Brogdon/Grant.

Ayton is the most difficult to envision him pushing a team over the hump, as his salary is so high and so few teams need centers. I'd consider him the least likely of the 4 to be traded. At the deadline if a team has an injury or next offseason would be far more likely.

Thybulle might be traded but doesn't have FRP value. Maybe he can bring tax relief and a 2nd.

I'd think they are most to least likely to be traded in this order;
Brogdon
Grant
Thybulle
Ant
Ayton

I guess I’m an Ayton homer, he showed me a lot in 2nd half of season. When and big “when” he’s on the court I think he’s a difference maker. His maturity and motor have always been the question, if he turns the corner on those two things I’d be happy with him as our center for the next 7-8 years.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Would Indy consider giving us Walker to upgrade from Turner to Ayton?

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I don't think Ayton is an upgrade over Turner. IMO, Grant is the piece of ours that would make the most sense for Indy.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I'm not interested in picks where I may have died of old age before we get to use them

I think big picture collecting picks is a great way to set franchise up for future. Having future picks can be used in trades or potential future stars. I’ll never be upset with stock piling future 1st rounders. I would be more upset if I was in Lakers position with no tradable 1st rounders for the next 5-6 years (believe they only have 1?)

 

[Glazeduck2]

I guess I’m an Ayton homer, he showed me a lot in 2nd half of season. When and big “when” he’s on the court I think he’s a difference maker. His maturity and motor have always been the question, if he turns the corner on those two things I’d be happy with him as our center for the next 7-8 years.

I've not seen this thought posted here, which is a little wild given how much some on here love to bash on Ayton, but here goes...

I don't think Cronin has any interest or intent on trading Ayton, at least not for the kinds of "get what we can for him" type of deals thrown around here everyday. For better or worse, Ayton is the key piece coming back from Joe's biggest trade and our franchise player. That's not something you typically turn around and just sell for cents on the dollar, especially when they're as big and talented as DA is AND especially when your franchise isn't wining games anyway.

Ayton's on/off switch is maddening, I think we all see that. But when he's on, I can't think of many players in the NBA who have the ability to make plays on both sides of the ball inside and outside like he can. Barring a crazy offer or something going sour behind the scenes, I just can't see this front office trading him, especially for scraps...

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I've not seen this thought posted here, which is a little wild given how much some on here love to bash on Ayton, but here goes...

I don't think Cronin has an interest or intent on trading Ayton, at least not for the kinds of "get what we can for him" type of deals thrown around here everyday. For better or worse, Ayton is the key piece coming back from Joe's biggest trade. That's not something you typically turn around and just sell for cents on the dollar, especially when they're as big and talented as DA is AND especially when your franchise isn't wining games anyway.

Ayton's on/off switch is maddening, I think we all see that. But when he's on, I can't think of many players in the NBA who have the ability to make plays on both sies of the ball inside and outside like he can. Barring a crazy offer or something going sour behind the scenes, I just can't see this front office trading him, especially for scraps...

Well said and exactly how I feel! Ayton still has so much potential. To be honest it’s the one position I feel most confident about. Obviously we all know Scoot and Sharpe have the most potential but Ayton still can be huge part of this franchise build.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm not interested in picks where I may have died of old age before we get to use them

Blazers aren't going to contend in the next few years - that is partly unavoidable.

As I detailed in posts, future picks can be traded for a second star once the Blazers get the first, so this actually would have the team win SOONER than holding or trading for irrelevant win now vets.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think big picture collecting picks is a great way to set franchise up for future. Having future picks can be used in trades or potential future stars. I’ll never be upset with stock piling future 1st rounders. I would be more upset if I was in Lakers position with no tradable 1st rounders for the next 5-6 years (believe they only have 1?)

Lakers have two picks and some swaps available so they're not too bad off.

Phoenix is the example of a franchise without picks - it could get really ugly there in the next couple years.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I've not seen this thought posted here, which is a little wild given how much some on here love to bash on Ayton, but here goes...

I don't think Cronin has any interest or intent on trading Ayton, at least not for the kinds of "get what we can for him" type of deals thrown around here everyday. For better or worse, Ayton is the key piece coming back from Joe's biggest trade and our franchise player. That's not something you typically turn around and just sell for cents on the dollar, especially when they're as big and talented as DA is AND especially when your franchise isn't wining games anyway.

Ayton's on/off switch is maddening, I think we all see that. But when he's on, I can't think of many players in the NBA who have the ability to make plays on both sides of the ball inside and outside like he can. Barring a crazy offer or something going sour behind the scenes, I just can't see this front office trading him, especially for scraps...

I'm ok with keeping Ayton. Its a nice dream of him improving to All-NBA type level I just find that extremely unlikely. However players sometimes surprise us, Kyrie looked like a lost cause the last few years then was a key player getting a team to the finals. Certainly possible Ayton could have a huge improvement some season as he certainly has the talent.

I also think his contract will be better in future seasons so I'm fine with keeping him next year. If the Blazers don't get above average starter play from either Scoot or Sharpe then we might be so far from exiting a rebuild that Ayton will make less sense to continue to keep on the roster. But that can be a decision we look at next summer.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Well said and exactly how I feel! Ayton still has so much potential. To be honest it’s the one position I feel most confident about. Obviously we all know Scoot and Sharpe have the most potential but Ayton still can be huge part of this franchise build.

Yep. Center. Then we have a heck of a start with Scoot and Sharpe at the 1 and 2. Now, just need to nab a couple great forwards...

 

[PCmor7]

I'm not interested in picks where I may have died of old age before we get to use them

Look at the bright side. We might all die well before that.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Look at the bright side. We might all die well before that.

And do we want our last moments to be watching the Lakers fleece us?

 

[julius]

Don't know or care if this was suggested earlier, but Im going to suggest that the Rockets trade #3 and Steven Adams for Jerami + both 2nd round picks.

Yes, I know it would *never* happen, but realistically I'm tired and not making sense.

 

[blazerkor]

Don't know or care if this was suggested earlier, but Im going to suggest that the Rockets trade #3 and Steven Adams for Jerami + both 2nd round picks.

Yes, I know it would *never* happen, but realistically I'm tired and not making sense.

Jerami and 14 though?

 

[julius]

Jerami and 14 though?

If that's what it would take, that's not the worst thing in the world.

not sure who they'd take at 3 tho, but I'm not sure what they should take at 7 or 14, so nothings changed.

 

[blazerkor]

If that's what it would take, that's not the worst thing in the world.

not sure who they'd take at 3 tho, but I'm not sure what they should take at 7 or 14, so nothings changed.

Personally I'd then try to let the Hawks off the hook and trade 3 and 34 for 1. I'd take Sarr at 1 and probably Cody at 7. I think until he grows into his frame that Sarr fits with Deandre.

 

[beast blazer]

I think they should convert Malcolm into a pick now. If we wait till the deadline, he could get hurt. And everybody knows we're not going to resign him and they'll think we're desparate to trade him..