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ponderguy said:
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
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Oh god no!!!!! Give up 3 of my favorite players - all TEAM players for 2 of my least favorite - MeloDrama and the worst rebounding 7-footer in NBA history. Melo is all about Melo. He's a selfish ballhog and NOT a team player. Ever notice the first two letters of his nickname spell Me? That's appropriate, because that's what he's all about. And sheesh, people on this board regularly bash Aldridge for being soft and a weak rebounder, and you want to replace him with Andrea Bargnani???? Really?

BNM
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
ESPN Trade Machine approved:

To Portland from New York

C. Anthony (SF)
I. Shumpert (SG)
Draft picks


To New York from Portland

N. Batum
W. Matthews
T. Robinson


We become contenders in the West for the next two years. Then we move Carmelo after his contract expires and free up over 20million a year. We also can move Aldridge and have a boatload to rebuild around Lillard.
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Well your trade was good for a laugh at least. Seriously the Knicks almost moved Faried for Shumpert straight up. Furthermore, to suggest the Knicks would give up pick in that package is laughable so thanks for that. You want to talk Carmelo for LA the Knicks might listen. You suggest Batum and they hang up or track you down and kick you in the jewels for wasting their time.
 
ponderguy said:
He wants the money more than anything. We can offer him more than anyone else to resign. Carmelo has had more assists than LMA every year except last year.
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Yeah. Because fans of Portland want people that play for the money.

You're starting to make me... ponder... that you're even a Portland fan. Because this is common knowledge.

Then again, someone up there did say you were from Minnesota. FromwaydowntownBang, is that you?
 
Strenuus said:
Yeah. Because fans of Portland want people that play for the money.

You're starting to make me... ponder... that you're even a Portland fan. Because this is common knowledge.

Then again, someone up there did say you were from Minnesota. FromwaydowntownBang, is that you?
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Nope, born in Portland and Raised in Vancouver. I don't care what the fans want the fact is Melo is better than all three of those players and in my head I'm the GM so I'm doing what is best for the team. I like what I'm seeing from Robinson and if we commit to him as our PFOTF I think he could really flourish. Shumpert is a big combo guard who would fit really well in the lineup next to both Dame and McCollum. For everyone concerned about Melo leaving what team is offering a better lineup around him than
PG Dame/Williams/Watson
SG Shump/McCollum/Crabbe/Barton
SF Melo/Wright/Claver
PF Robinson/Bargnani
C Lopez/Freeland/Leonard
 
ponderguy said:
Nope, born in Portland and Raised in Vancouver. I don't care what the fans want the fact is Melo is better than all three of those players and in my head I'm the GM so I'm doing what is best for the team. I like what I'm seeing from Robinson and if we commit to him as our PFOTF I think he could really flourish. Shumpert is a big combo guard who would fit really well in the lineup next to both Dame and McCollum. For everyone concerned about Melo leaving what team is offering a better lineup around him than
PG Dame/Williams/Watson
SG Shump/McCollum/Crabbe/Barton
SF Melo/Wright/Claver
PF Robinson/Bargnani
C Lopez/Freeland/Leonard
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That starting lineup is horrible.

Downgrade in PF without a doubt, no bench for PF

Downgrade in SG, no bench for SG.

Horrible. Melo kills our starting lineup by hogging the ball, which will make Dame less of a PG.

That's about as diplomatic as I'm going to be.
 
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ponderguy said:
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
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Anthony's a dildo, and I don't even like seeing him stand next to someone in a Blazers uniform, much less wearing one.
Hell. Fucking. No.
 
I love Lillard as much as anyone and think he and Melo could complement each other really well. One of the good comparisons for Lillard IMO is Chauncey Billups, who played really well next to Melo.

07-08 (last full season in Detroit)
17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 2.7 rpg, 1.3 spg, 44% fg and 40% 3 point
08-09 (the year he was traded)
12.5 ppg, 7.5 apg, 5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 33% fg and 28% 3 point in Detroit
to
17.9 ppg, 6.4 apg, 3 rpg, 1.2 spg, 42% fg and 41% 3 point in Denver
They made it to the WCF and played the Lakers tougher than the Magic did in the Finals.
09-10
19.5 ppg, 5.6 apg, 3.1 rpg, 1.1 spg, 41% fg, 38% 3 point

Considering Billups was 32 when he got to Denver and past his prime you would think his scoring numbers would have gone down playing next to a player like Melo who gets some of the most negative labels there are. Carmelo also had his best season ever playing next to Billups. In 09-10 Anthony put up
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.4 bpg, 45% fg and 31% 3 point

I think Melo and Dame would be fantastic together. I will take any opportunity i can get to get a top 10 player, even if it means we have to give up the 17th and 57th ranked players to do it.
 
No to melo. It will never happen. And thank god for that.

I like Dame now, since Chauncey, when he got there, was already a vet. Putting Carmelo with a point guard still finding all his game out would be brutal. That overtakes it all.

That, and melo is a horrible team player.

'nuff of the Melo talk. No trade is good for him.
 
ponderguy said:
I love Melo. Pairing him with Damian would be awesome, Melo had some of his best years playing next to Billups in Denver. However the trade proposal makes no sense. I'd say a package of LMA, Batum and Wes + a future 1st for Melo, Shumpert and Bargnani would be fair. We'd have to give up a large chunk of the teams core but Melo is a MVP caliber player and is one of the few players in the league who can look Durant and LeBron in the eye and match them shot for shot. Melo isn't a consistent defender but he when he needs to he can lock his man down and is the most versatile scorer in the league. He can score in any way from any spot on the court. Shumpert would be another good young player to add in, and with more playing time Robinson could flourish next to Melo.
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ponderguy said:
Nope, born in Portland and Raised in Vancouver. I don't care what the fans want the fact is Melo is better than all three of those players and in my head I'm the GM so I'm doing what is best for the team. I like what I'm seeing from Robinson and if we commit to him as our PFOTF I think he could really flourish. Shumpert is a big combo guard who would fit really well in the lineup next to both Dame and McCollum. For everyone concerned about Melo leaving what team is offering a better lineup around him than
PG Dame/Williams/Watson
SG Shump/McCollum/Crabbe/Barton
SF Melo/Wright/Claver
PF Robinson/Bargnani
C Lopez/Freeland/Leonard
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Hahahahahahahaha.


You're funny man.


Stick to fantasy basketball, because you'd probably be the worst GM ever.
 
Eastoff said:
Who are the best PGs at defense in the league right now?
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ponderguy said:
Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry and Chris Paul
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blue9 said:
If he's healthy, Rondo. Next up I'd say Westbrook?
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magnifier661 said:
I absolutely agree about Conley. I would put Westbrook #2 and a healthy Rondo #3
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cmeese47 said:
Rondo, Conley, Bradley, Bledsoe if he stops gambling so much, and Paul or Hill.
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Nikolokolus said:
No Eric Bledsoe = Fail.
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I ask this because, as crazy and blasphemous as it is to say, I think Damian's lack of defense is really the only player on this team that is not very good on both sides of the ball by themselves.
 
Dame needs a great post defender to help him out. On ISO and in general situations he is sound defensively but he gets murdered on pick and roll and part of that is because LA and Lopez to a lesser degree are not good pick and roll defenders. Change out Lopez for someone like Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis or Larry Sanders and things would improve a lot.
 
ponderguy said:
I love Lillard as much as anyone and think he and Melo could complement each other really well. One of the good comparisons for Lillard IMO is Chauncey Billups, who played really well next to Melo.

07-08 (last full season in Detroit)
17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 2.7 rpg, 1.3 spg, 44% fg and 40% 3 point
08-09 (the year he was traded)
12.5 ppg, 7.5 apg, 5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 33% fg and 28% 3 point in Detroit
to
17.9 ppg, 6.4 apg, 3 rpg, 1.2 spg, 42% fg and 41% 3 point in Denver
They made it to the WCF and played the Lakers tougher than the Magic did in the Finals.
09-10
19.5 ppg, 5.6 apg, 3.1 rpg, 1.1 spg, 41% fg, 38% 3 point

Considering Billups was 32 when he got to Denver and past his prime you would think his scoring numbers would have gone down playing next to a player like Melo who gets some of the most negative labels there are. Carmelo also had his best season ever playing next to Billups. In 09-10 Anthony put up
28.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.4 bpg, 45% fg and 31% 3 point

I think Melo and Dame would be fantastic together. I will take any opportunity i can get to get a top 10 player, even if it means we have to give up the 17th and 57th ranked players to do it.
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I don't care if he cures lepers and walks on water. I don't want that scumbag on my team.
 
cmeese47 said:
Dame needs a great post defender to help him out. On ISO and in general situations he is sound defensively but he gets murdered on pick and roll and part of that is because LA and Lopez to a lesser degree are not good pick and roll defenders. Change out Lopez for someone like Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis or Larry Sanders and things would improve a lot.
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Anthony Davis would be really fun. I don't think New Orleans gives him up for anyone besides Durant or Bron right now though
 
Thread title made me think Chris Andersen was involved.
 
are you guys out of your minds???? i wouldn't trade batum for melo and im serious. melo is anti- ball movement which our entire team is based around. i don't care how many pts he puts up.
 
blazedanugz said:
are you guys out of your minds???? i wouldn't trade batum for melo and im serious. melo is anti- ball movement which our entire team is based around. i don't care how many pts he puts up.
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Melo + Dame gives us a legit one-two punch to counter OKC. I love LMA but LMA/Nic/Dame does not get us past OKC
 
ponderguy said:
or a fantastic idea. Melo is better than anyone on our roster and a top 10 player
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Nope. Terrible idea. Break up a team with insanely good chemistry to bring in a crybaby ball hog douchebag narcissist with deep gang ties? You should be (figuratively) horsewhipped for suggesting it.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Nope. Terrible idea. Break up a team with insanely good chemistry to bring in a crybaby ball hog douchebag narcissist with deep gang ties? You should be (figuratively) horsewhipped for suggesting it.
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I'm not a chemistry major
 
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