Trades to improve our defense

[TBpup]

Sign anyone willing to fight through a pick.

 

[Denny Crane]

Bogut would be ok, if we were one piece away, but we're not, so he's not. We need someone younger.

And if we're going for an older guy, I'd much rather have Tyson chandler.

Our 1st round pick is too high for him, IMO.

It's not like he's going to make us a championship contender, and he's not exactly young, or healthy much of the time.

 

[Chris Craig]

Cattle prods would help, just not sure if we should use them on our players or have our players use them on the opposing team.

Someone can sit behind Stotts and prod him with it whenver gets to complacent, or the Blazers start slacking on D

 

[blue9]

... or the Blazers start slacking on D

So, from the tip through the final buzzer then!

 

[Boob-No-More]

10m per is pretty much a bench player's salary nowadays, Leonard will not be hard to move. There's still talent there and teams will always believe they can get the best out of a player. Just don't expect much of a return, which I'm ok with.

Agreed 100%.

For those who consider Meyers Leonard untradeable, I have two words: Andrea Bargnani.

In the summer of 2013, immediately after the worst season of a rather lackluster career, Andrea Bargnani, who was making $11.8 million/year (and those are real, old-CBA, 2013 dollars, not 2016 funny money) was traded to the New York Knicks for the following:

Marcus Camby
Steve Novak
Quentin Richardsom
2014 2nd round pick
2016 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick

For comparison, Meyers is currently making $9.2 million in 2016-17 dollars. And Bargnani was NOT an expiring contract, He had two full years left on that contract at the time of the trade.

This just proves that ANYONE is tradeable, and there is always someone dumb enough to overpay to take out your trash.

BNM

 

[Sinobas]

What about Asik for Leonard? It works salary wise, and Asik is reportedly on the block. Asik fits Stotts defensive scheme (for better or worse).

 

[Sinobas]

10m per is pretty much a bench player's salary nowadays, Leonard will not be hard to move. There's still talent there and teams will always believe they can get the best out of a player. Just don't expect much of a return, which I'm ok with.

No, it's not. 10 mil is over 10% of the cap. Teams usually have 7 bench players and they starters get a lion's share of the overall team salary. So do the math, this statement is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[BonesJones]

If we want to reshuffle, this would be great. All players should be available and gettable.

Blazers Get:
Brook Lopez
Nerlens Noel
Amir Johnson
Gerald Henderson

76ers Get:
Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonleh
Shabazz Napier

Nets Get:
Mason Plumlee
Meyers Leonard
2017 POR 1st
2019 POR 1st

Celtics Get:
Ed Davis
Festus Ezeli
CLE 2018 1st

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Turner (25)
Harkless (30) / Henderson (18)
Johnson (22) / Aminu (20) / Noel (6)
Noel (18) / Lopez (30)

 

[BonesJones]

No, it's not. 10 mil is over 10% of the cap. Teams usually have 7 bench players and they starters get a lion's share of the overall team salary. So do the math, this statement is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

Leonards $9.2M this year is under 10% and next year the cap will be over $100M. So 9% isn't that much.

 

[Sinobas]

Leonards $9.2M this year is under 10% and next year the cap will be over $100M. So 9% isn't that much.

Ok, it's 9.7% I'm sorry for rounding. But that doesn't change the math. If you think it does, you didn't understand the point.

 

[BonesJones]

Ok, it's 9.7% I'm sorry for rounding. But that doesn't change the math. If you think it does, you didn't understand the point.

How does 9.7% round to over 10% lol.

I understand your point, but there are teams that would surely want Leonard in a trade. Brooklyn and Dallas would be the teams I'd expect to want him the most. Dallas has no centers behind Bogut who's getting old and expiring and Brooklyn has no centers behind Lopez who they'll probably trade. Brooklyn also offered $18M a year to Crabbe so $9M for Leonard is nothing.

 

[Sinobas]

How does 9.7% round to over 10% lol.

I understand your point, but there are teams that would surely want Leonard in a trade. Brooklyn and Dallas would be the teams I'd expect to want him the most. Dallas has no centers behind Bogut who's getting old and expiring and Brooklyn has no centers behind Lopez who they'll probably trade. Brooklyn also offered $18M a year to Crabbe so $9M for Leonard is nothing.

I was rounding Meyers contract up to 10 mil per year. But if those teams want Meyers, I pray that they get him.

 

[lawai'a]

is paul george a difference maker on defense if the cost is McCollum,Harkless and a first?
They better fit a miles turner development timeline age wise if Pacers move to rebuild. Still doesn't address our interior defense but would shore up the wings with an all nba first and second teamer.

 

[Denny Crane]

Agreed 100%.

For those who consider Meyers Leonard untradeable, I have two words: Andrea Bargnani.

In the summer of 2013, immediately after the worst season of a rather lackluster career, Andrea Bargnani, who was making $11.8 million/year (and those are real, old-CBA, 2013 dollars, not 2016 funny money) was traded to the New York Knicks for the following:

Marcus Camby
Steve Novak
Quentin Richardsom
2014 2nd round pick
2016 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick

For comparison, Meyers is currently making $9.2 million in 2016-17 dollars. And Bargnani was NOT an expiring contract, He had two full years left on that contract at the time of the trade.

This just proves that ANYONE is tradeable, and there is always someone dumb enough to overpay to take out your trash.

BNM

Exactly.

This is why I don't worry about future cap space. I worry about flexibility to deal.

 

[BonesJones]

is paul george a difference maker on defense if the cost is McCollum,Harkless and a first?
They better fit a miles turner development timeline age wise if Pacers move to rebuild. Still doesn't address our interior defense but would shore up the wings with an all nba first and second teamer.

I think you try hard to keep Harkless if you go after George. McCollum, Plumlee, Vonleh, and a couple firsts if possible. Then trade Crabbe or whoever for Noel to give you a starting lineup of
Lillard, George, Harkless, Aminu, Noel.

The switch potential for that lineup would be amazing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think you try hard to keep Harkless if you go after George. McCollum, Plumlee, Vonleh, and a couple firsts if possible. Then trade Crabbe or whoever for Noel to give you a starting lineup of
Lillard, George, Harkless, Aminu, Noel.

The switch potential for that lineup would be amazing.

I will ask you what was asked of me when I proposed this same scenario.
Why is Indiana gonna trade PG?

I didn't have a good answer. Do you?

 

[BonesJones]

I will ask you what was asked of me when I proposed this same scenario.
Why is Indiana gonna trade PG?

I didn't have a good answer. Do you?

To align their timeline with Turner? Idk. It was hypothetical.

 

[Orion Bailey]

To align their timeline with Turner? Idk. It was hypothetical.

Hey i'm with ya T. I was hoping you had something better.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://hoopshype.com/player/paul-george/

There’s basically no chance the Pacers trade Paul George, Adrian Wojnarowski said in his latest podcast for The Vertical: “I know teams have been calling Indiana and asking about Paul George and the answer is absolutely, positively no (to a trade). ‘He’s not available, there’s no conversation to be had, don’t even make offers to us. We’re not moving Paul George.'”
1 week ago – via HoopsHype

 

[Denny Crane]

https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/364cd5b2-b780-4afe-82b1-32500104008c

Bobby Marks joins Woj
The Vertical Podcast with Woj

• SPORTS & RECREATION
• PROFESSIONAL

5:28: The Pacers and Kings not discussing Paul George or DeMarcus Cousins with other teams.

 

[Orion Bailey]

http://hoopshype.com/player/paul-george/

There’s basically no chance the Pacers trade Paul George, Adrian Wojnarowski said in his latest podcast for The Vertical: “I know teams have been calling Indiana and asking about Paul George and the answer is absolutely, positively no (to a trade). ‘He’s not available, there’s no conversation to be had, don’t even make offers to us. We’re not moving Paul George.'”
1 week ago – via HoopsHype

Fuck Denny??? Why you such a party pooper?? Bones and I were just about to create a few pages of hypotheticals all based around PG heading to us. You just killed my fun for the night.. you suck!

 

[Denny Crane]

Go to town.

 

[BlayZa]

this absolutely pains me

http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=1

 

[riverman]

I love Dieng, but why would Minnesota trade him?

I can use that sentence with a fill in the blank for most players out there...why would anyone want to trade...answer...we have some contracts on the books that'll never be seen again for teams that need relief.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I can use that sentence with a fill in the blank for most players out there...why would anyone want to trade...answer...we have some contracts on the books that'll never be seen again for teams that need relief.

Why does MIN need cap relief? They are more than $12 million under the cap and only have two players making more than $8 million this year. Garnett comes off the books after this season and Pek after next. By the time their young guys are up for extension, the few "big" contracts they currently have will be off the books.

Dieng was the first to the extended. Why would they extend him, make him a starter and then dump him after half a season? It's not like he's playing poorly. So, I doubt if they're having any buyer's remorse.

BNM

 

[riverman]

Why does MIN need cap relief

I think it's sort of what everyone needs...especially teams not contending. You may be right....why would New Orleans trade Chris Paul? We're all dealing with speculation at this point. I just see what product we've put on the floor and watch teams and think...that guy would be great here. I doubt Thibs would move Dieng but on the offside chance....he'd be great here.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think it's sort of what everyone needs...especially teams not contending. You may be right....why would New Orleans trade Chris Paul?

They had to. The team was bankrupt (was taken over by the other 29 owners) and Paul had said he was leaving if they didn't trade him. He was going to walk for nothing.

The Dieng situation is the exact opposite. He just signed an extension that doesn't even go into affect until next year. They have him locked up long term and are at no risk of losing him for nothing.

BNM