Notice Trading Batum makes sense

[Strenuus]

I thought the Blazers were trading for the #6 pick to draft Justise Winslow.

You're not very good at this, are you?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Fucking a supermodel makes sense too. Doesn't mean it's going to happen

 

[BonesJones]

Trading Batum makes sense if its for Paul George, Leonard, LBJ, Durant as those are the only SF in the NBA that are hands down better then Batum.

Hah. He's a borderline top 10 SF. There's so many guys I would take over him. The thing is you guys forget what happens if you trade for a lesser player.. usually he's cheaper. Then you use that cap space to work out other things. Hell, I'd trade Batum for Matt Barnes and a pick to save $9M. Then if you bring back Wes and LA back you still have $15M or so in cap space. That's enough to add a Tyson Chandler and a backup PG like CJ Watson.
And guess what, if you do that Batum trade and LA and Wes don't return, you have $45M+ in cap space. That's why they'd trade him, to save cap space while not downgrading much

 

[RR7]

So from Lillard/Wes/Batum/Aldridge/Rolo to Lillard/Wes/Barnes/Aldridge/Chandler? That somehow made us better? bleh.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So from Lillard/Wes/Batum/Aldridge/Rolo to Lillard/Wes/Barnes/Aldridge/Chandler? That somehow made us better? bleh.

Debatably. Plus the pick and the backup PG that were mentioned. Yeah, I could see how one might think that would make us better. At the very least tougher, and probably better built for the playoffs.

 

[BonesJones]

That lineup has more balance offensively and is better defensively. Plus it's cheaper. And Barnes is the type of toughminded guy we need.

 

[Rhal]

Hah. He's a borderline top 10 SF. There's so many guys I would take over him. The thing is you guys forget what happens if you trade for a lesser player.. usually he's cheaper. Then you use that cap space to work out other things. Hell, I'd trade Batum for Matt Barnes and a pick to save $9M. Then if you bring back Wes and LA back you still have $15M or so in cap space. That's enough to add a Tyson Chandler and a backup PG like CJ Watson.
And guess what, if you do that Batum trade and LA and Wes don't return, you have $45M+ in cap space. That's why they'd trade him, to save cap space while not downgrading much

Thats where we differ. I think Batum is borderline top 5 and there are very few even solid defend and hit 3 guys on the market let alone a guy who can facilitate like Batum can. I don't like what you suggested but its not a horrible idea to package Batum and use him on a superior player at another position, I just don't like the idea of trading him for "capspace" or young prospects then signing a big name who isn't actually better then who we have at the position like a Tyson Chandler.

 

[RR7]

What exactly do you mean by more balance offensively? Looks like the exact same balance to me. Heavy lifting from the top 2 guys, Wes a close 3rd, C relying on putbacks, and then our SF we lost the passing from that position. You didn't alter the balance at all.

 

[BonesJones]

Thats where we differ. I think Batum is borderline top 5 and there are very few even solid defend and hit 3 guys on the market let alone a guy who can facilitate like Batum can. I don't like what you suggested but its not a horrible idea to package Batum and use him on a superior player at another position, I just don't like the idea of trading him for "capspace" or young prospects then signing a big name who isn't actually better then who we have at the position like a Tyson Chandler.

Chandler is easily a better defender and a better fit offensively. Barnes is a better defender and just as good of a shooter. Lopez is so unathletic that defenses can sag and still get back to contest his shot. I mean more balance as in a big that can finish above the rim, instead of LA Kaman and Rolo, all of who seem to DISLIKE dunking.

 

[BonesJones]

We have no one that can slash. Nobody on the whole roster. Barnes can cut and slash towards the rim and finish

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Chandler fits our team so much more than rolo. He's older sute, but come on... It's not close

 

[barfo]

Fucking a supermodel makes sense too. Doesn't mean it's going to happen

There's no way to know until Payton and Malone play for the Lakers.

barfo

 

[Rhal]

Chandler is easily a better defender and a better fit offensively. Barnes is a better defender and just as good of a shooter. Lopez is so unathletic that defenses can sag and still get back to contest his shot. I mean more balance as in a big that can finish above the rim, instead of LA Kaman and Rolo, all of who seem to DISLIKE dunking.

Barnes is a better defender then Batum? You could MAYBE make an argument for that 5 years ago, you can't now. Tyson is injury prone and if Lopez plays like he did at the end of the season and doesn't ever get back to how he played last year and the beginning of this year then a healthy Tyson would be better. Tyson isn't a better fit offensively, just because he likes to dunk doesn't mean he is better offensively then someone else. Deandre Jordan can dunk but he isn't as good offensively as Lopez. Lopez has a decent shot to about the FT line, Chandler doesn't.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

It does NOT make sense to trade Batum for a draft pick this year. Go down the line - none of the top 8 want Batum, and I don't want to trade Batum for any player taken out of the top 8. My "dream" of Batum for Winslow isn't happening.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

We don't need Lopez shooting jumpers. I'd take Tyson chandlers dunks, toughness and superior defense over a center with a better jumpshot

 

[jlprk]

In the first half of the season, Lopez was a surprisingly good opportunistic shooter. They almost always went in from about 10 feet.

 

[BigGameDamian]

It does NOT make sense to trade Batum for a draft pick this year. Go down the line - none of the top 8 want Batum, and I don't want to trade Batum for any player taken out of the top 8. My "dream" of Batum for Winslow isn't happening.

I'm so relieved, Someone in this forum knows that none of the top 8 teams want Batum.

 

[RR7]

It does NOT make sense to trade Batum for a draft pick this year. Go down the line - none of the top 8 want Batum, and I don't want to trade Batum for any player taken out of the top 8. My "dream" of Batum for Winslow isn't happening.

I would think with their goals of adding more experience over more youth, Orlando, Sacramento, and Detroit would all be interested in Batum.
That doesn't say they'd trade a pick straight across for him, but I imagine all would have some interest. Especially Detroit.

 

[barfo]

I'm so relieved, Someone in this forum knows that none of the top 8 teams want Batum.

Aren't those actually the bottom 8 teams?

barfo

 

[Pinwheel1]

I would think with their goals of adding more experience over more youth, Orlando, Sacramento, and Detroit would all be interested in Batum.
That doesn't say they'd trade a pick straight across for him, but I imagine all would have some interest. Especially Detroit.

So if Detroit is a candidate, and we were losing LMA, would a sign and trade for Monroe save us any cap space to go after another FA? Or would it just be better to try to sign Monroe and move Batum separately?

 

[RR7]

So if Detroit is a candidate, and we were losing LMA, would a sign and trade for Monroe save us any cap space to go after another FA? Or would it just be better to try to sign Monroe and move Batum separately?

It'd work out the same way. If Aldridge walks, we could sign Monroe outright, and choose to move batum elsewhere. Or can sign and trade. Or keep him.

 

[Blazinaway]

Chandler fits our team so much more than rolo. He's older sute, but come on... It's not close

Chandler only works if LMA stays, if not then no need for an aging older C and even then his injury history is worrisome, I like Koufus for a cheaper alternative

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Chandler only works if LMA stays, if not then no need for an aging older C and even then his injury history is worrisome, I like Koufus for a cheaper alternative

I agree with that. it's just funny some people think Lopez is a better fit style wise than Chandler.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You would have to over pay Chandler to come here. So the better question is how much better is he than Rolo? Considering he has already played 13 years in the league. IMO regardless of which center we have we will have to platoon him with someone else. So the money could be an issue.

I really don't see him coming here. He likes Dallas and didn't want to leave the first time.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Dallas is rumored to be going hard for deandre.

Stotts was an assistant coach on the championship Dallas team. that could be a draw.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dallas is rumored to be going hard for deandre.

Stotts was an assistant coach on the championship Dallas team. that could be a draw.

I saw that rumor and I think in that scenario Chandler would be going to the Clippers in a sign and trade.
That way they both go home

 

[Rhal]

Chandler fits our team so much more than rolo. He's older sute, but come on... It's not close

Really how so? Rolo is criminally underrated by some here, Chandler is better but not by has much as your making it out to be and has had injury problems his whole career and is 32 and has slowed down.
If this was Chandler from 4 years ago then yea it wouldnt be close but how long before the wheels fall off and he slows down considerably.
If LMA does the two year deal with opt out id go for Chandler and go as far as we can go otherwise Id sign Rolo to a 4 year deal instead.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I would think with their goals of adding more experience over more youth, Orlando, Sacramento, and Detroit would all be interested in Batum.
That doesn't say they'd trade a pick straight across for him, but I imagine all would have some interest. Especially Detroit.

Sacramento considers Gay as one of their cornerstones. Even though S2 thinks Batum can "slide over to the 2", it's not obvious other teams would be willing to risk this.

Orlando is at least a year away from trying to get a vet bump.

Detroit has pick #8. If Winslow somehow drops to #8, do they really want Batum instead? If Winslow doesn't drop, is there anyone we'd want at #8?

 

[BigGameDamian]

Sacramento considers Gay as one of their cornerstones. Even though S2 thinks Batum can "slide over to the 2", it's not obvious other teams would be willing to risk this.

Orlando is at least a year away from trying to get a vet bump.

Detroit has pick #8. If Winslow somehow drops to #8, do they really want Batum instead? If Winslow doesn't drop, is there anyone we'd want at #8?

If the Blazers want to target Winslow multiple trades probably would happen. Not just one. Neil did say that the Blazers would plan to be very active in this years draft.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Sacramento considers Gay as one of their cornerstones. Even though S2 thinks Batum can "slide over to the 2", it's not obvious other teams would be willing to risk this.

Orlando is at least a year away from trying to get a vet bump.

Detroit has pick #8. If Winslow somehow drops to #8, do they really want Batum instead? If Winslow doesn't drop, is there anyone we'd want at #8?

Maybe Hezonja, Stanley Johnson, Devin Booker, Sam Dekker. Those guys certainly aren't on Batum's level but the 10 million in cap savings may be able to ease the pain.