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Portland trades CJ in the next calendar year

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rotary111 said:
If CJ was on another team we'd be trying to figure out who we could package together to get him.


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Or, more realistically, say we already have CJ because we have Dame, so why go out and get the same player?
 
What was the last team to win anything with two players under 6'4 in their backcourt?

Probably Detroit with Joe Dumars/Isiah Thomas, and neither of our guys are Joe Dumars.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was the last team to win anything with two players under 6'4 in their backcourt?

Probably Detroit with Joe Dumars/Isiah Thomas, and neither of our guys are Joe Dumars.
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When was the last time a team even tried though?
 
So what 2 guard would you bring in that doesn't have the same skills as Dame/CJ, yet makes us better?
CJ is getting his first taste of consistent minutes and for the most part killing it. Plus he and our franchise player get along great. Chemistry is a big deal. It's not like I wouldn't trade him but it better be a damn good trade to let a developing 2 go.

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Orion Bailey said:
When was the last time a team even tried though?
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Golden State with Curry and Monta. Phoenix tends to try to stick two point guards in their backcourt. They had Dragic/Bledsoe and now they have Knight/Bledsoe. Washington is pretty close with Beal at 6'5 and Wall.

Actually, I guess Miami won with Gary Payton and Dwyane Wade, who are both under 6'5, but he wasn't technically starting.
 
I see no reason the Blazers would look to move CJ...having two guards scoring 50 a game isn't a problem...I just want CJ to swap spots with AC and bring his off the bench.
 
riverman said:
I see no reason the Blazers would look to move CJ...having two guards scoring 50 a game isn't a problem...I just want CJ to swap spots with AC and bring his off the bench.
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I only trade CJ if we get an offer we can't refuse
 
Natebishop3 said:
Golden State with Curry and Monta. Phoenix tends to try to stick two point guards in their backcourt. They had Dragic/Bledsoe and now they have Knight/Bledsoe. Washington is pretty close with Beal at 6'5 and Wall.

Actually, I guess Miami won with Gary Payton and Dwyane Wade, who are both under 6'5, but he wasn't technically starting.
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GS didnt try for long and Miami did it, but they had Shaq on the inside, so I get what your saying except... I could be wrong, but arent most guards in the 6'2"-6'6" range, putting our guys right in the middle and not really smaller?
Im just trying to think off the top of my head at guys like AI, Isiah Thomas, Payton, Curry, derek Phisher, Steve Nash, John Stockton. Arent all of these guys around the same 6'4"
 
mook said:
You can't have two guys that similar and that short as a starting back court on a contending-caliber team.
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I still say, everyone is operating on the flawed premise that CJ is the one to trade. You said it yourself, they're too similar. So, why trade the up-and-comer with less value? It makes no sense.

As for the Miami example, Wade and Payton were all-time great defensive players, and Wade has the wingspan of a PF. Height was not an issue. White Chocolate was the starting PG, though, wasn't he? At least one of your back court players needs to be physical. I can't imagine there are any examples of a team succeeding with two short finesse guys.
 
handiman said:
I still say, everyone is operating on the flawed premise that CJ is the one to trade. You said it yourself, they're too similar. So, why trade the up-and-comer with less value? It makes no sense.

As for the Miami example, Wade and Payton were all-time great defensive players, and Wade has the wingspan of a PF. Height was not an issue. White Chocolate was the starting PG, though, wasn't he? At least one of your back court players needs to be physical. I can't imagine there are any examples of a team succeeding with two short finesse guys.
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I looked it up, and while Jason Williams was starting, during the playoffs Payton was playing 30 minutes per game off the bench.
 
riverman said:
I prefer a straight flush where all the cards in a row are stronger than a pair of aces
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That's Golden State for ya. Theyre a royal flush If the players were other teams they'd be solid, like a high card, but together, they fit perfectly and are greater than the sum of their parts.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was the last team to win anything with two players under 6'4 in their backcourt?

Probably Detroit with Joe Dumars/Isiah Thomas, and neither of our guys are Joe Dumars.
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Dallas would be pretty similar. They played Kidd listed at 6'4'' , Terry 6'2" and Barea 6'0"
These 3 guys got far and away the most minutes in the back court that season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011_depth.html

Actually we would be bigger with Dame 6'3 CJ 6'4" and Crabbe 6'6" (again these are the listed heights, I assume they are embellished for all 6 players)
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Dallas would be pretty similar. They played Kidd listed at 6'4'' , Terry 6'2" and Barea 6'0"
These 3 guys got far and away the most minutes in the back court that season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011_depth.html

Actually we would be much bigger with Dame 6'3 CJ 6'4" and Crabbe 6'6" (again these are the listed heights, I assume they are embellished for all 6 players)
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Dame is either the most embellished or CJ is taller now then his drafted height:
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KeepOnRollin said:
Dame is either the most embellished or CJ is taller now then his drafted height:
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It's always a little shocking seeing them next to each other. On their own CJ looks tiny, and Dame looks fairly normal.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was the last team to win anything with two players under 6'4 in their backcourt?

Probably Detroit with Joe Dumars/Isiah Thomas, and neither of our guys are Joe Dumars.
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Wouldn't it be Miami with Wade and Chalmers?
 
Schilly said:
Are you guys so clouded in your own opinions that you don't realize that a Dame/CJ backcourt is Neils vision? It's his answer to Curry and Thompson in this modern guard dominated 3pt based NBA.
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Cool. Trade CJ. I don't give a fuck.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was the last team to win anything with two players under 6'4 in their backcourt?

Probably Detroit with Joe Dumars/Isiah Thomas, and neither of our guys are Joe Dumars.
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Before last year, what was the last PG led team to win a title?

NBA is changing. Just because it hasn't been done before, doesn't mean we can't be the first.

CJ and Dame are a fine backcourt for the future as long as there are great wing and post defenders alongside them, and we have a system to minimize their deficiencies. They are pretty damn good on offense-- we can't overlook that.
 
blue9 said:
Wade played much larger than his size. Didn't he lead all guards in blocked shots a few years ago?
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He might have. I was just answering the question. Championships have been won by teams starting two small guards.
 
PCmor7 said:
Wouldn't it be Miami with Wade and Chalmers?
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Another good example. Give us their SF and we would be right there.

Our back court heights are not the issue. It's who we surround them with. I like small ball in the back court because you tend to have two decent ball handlers. And having that counters what you get from a bigger SG. Wes for example was bigger and gave us other things. CJ is smaller but a better ball handler than Wes and a better passer. (and probably a better shooter)

Along with Crabbe.......I like our back court.
 
Lets not forget our best team ever.......

Dave Twardzik 6'1"
Johnny Davis 6'2"
Hollins 6'3'
Herm Gilliam 6'3"
Larry Steele 6'5"
 
Schilly said:
Are you guys so clouded in your own opinions that you don't realize that a Dame/CJ backcourt is Neils vision? It's his answer to Curry and Thompson in this modern guard dominated 3pt based NBA.
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Not sure I agree with that. I think this whole season is a big experiment to see what we have and what we can build on. You don't just get rid of talent, and McCollum's trade value entering this season was nothing compared to what it would be now.

You have two gifted scorers. Their styles are very similar. That can work. But it also gives a team options to trade. Again, it's what you would get in return.

Everyone that talks about well teams can't win with two small guards or teams can't win building around a power forward ... I think that's kind of bunk. Talent wins. If the best player is a power forward and the supporting cast is good enough, it wins. If the talent is a 6-2 guard and the rest of the parts work well with him, it wins. I think the one thing we can say definitely doesn't win is a team that lacks talent.

Different styles and combinations win all the time. Sometimes it's just a matter of being ahead of the curve.
 
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