Zombie Trading CJ

[blue9]

I wonder if it's too late?

Oh, it's absolutely too late. I have very little doubt CHI would have accepted the trade this summer, and zero doubt they'd reject it now.

 

[Scalma]

Make no mistake, CJ gets us in the conversation for pretty much any player that might be available, but Butler probably is off the block.

But CJ is a GMs dream, an elite talent (at least offensively) under long term control, and a face of the franchise type foundational player and person. It's almost like trading for Lillard. It's a massive chip for Portland, and one they should at least explore.

I could also make a case as to why a rebuilding team would rather have CJ than a Klay Thompson.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Make no mistake, CJ gets us in the conversation for pretty much any player that might be available, but Butler probably is off the block.

But CJ is a GMs dream, an elite talent (at least offensively) under long term control, and a face of the franchise type foundational player and person. It's almost like trading for Lillard. It's a massive chip for Portland, and one they should at least explore.

I could also make a case as to why a rebuilding team would rather have CJ than a Klay Thompson.

What case? Klay plays two ways.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What case? Klay plays two ways.

But he cant dribble with the ball or drive to the lane like CJ.
For anyone trying to argue that Klay's offense is just as good as CJ's... well again. I want some of what your smoking. cJ's moves, especially laterally are maybe the best in the league in his position and hasnt really been seen since Roy/Kobe.

 

[Nikolokolus]

But he cant dribble with the ball or drive to the lane like CJ.
For anyone trying to argue that Klay's offense is just as good as CJ's... well again. I want some of what your smoking. cJ's moves, especially laterally are maybe the best in the league in his position and hasnt really been seen since Roy/Kobe.

Basketball is more than just offense, or the ability to dribble-drive. Klay may not be the ball-handler that CJ is, but the sum of his parts (elite shooting and very good defense) are pretty solid.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Basketball is more than just offense, or the ability to dribble-drive. Klay may not be the ball-handler that CJ is, but the sum of his parts (elite shooting and very good defense) are pretty solid.

And CJ brings great ball handling and elite shooting.

It just seems like you think CJ is a role player at best or something and Klay is a perennial MVP. Their value is a lot closer than you think.

 

[TBpup]

And CJ brings great ball handling and elite shooting.

It just seems like you think CJ is a role player at best or something and Klay is a perennial MVP. Their value is a lot closer than you think.

I think they are fairly close. The problem is, Dame already does a lot of what CJ does where Klay and Steph compliment each other much better.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think they are fairly close. The problem is, Dame already does a lot of what CJ does where Klay and Steph compliment each other much better.

Yep. And is why CJ must be traded.

 

[Nikolokolus]

And CJ brings great ball handling and elite shooting.

It just seems like you think CJ is a role player at best or something and Klay is a perennial MVP. Their value is a lot closer than you think.

I never said anything of the sort. But since you put it out there, I do think CJ is mostly suited to being a super sub in the mold of Jamal Crawford -- Guys who can't defend, but have elite offense usually fall into that niche. Klay isn't an MVP caliber player, but he is an elite starting wing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

CJ foir Klay straight up? I know GSW wouldnt do it, or could afford to now, but... it would help us and hurt them... so... im all for it!!!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I never said anything of the sort. But since you put it out there, I do think CJ is mostly suited to being a super sub in the mold of Jamal Crawford -- Guys who can't defend, but have elite offense usually fall into that niche. Klay isn't an MVP caliber player, but he is an elite starting wing.

I never said you said. I said it seems, and you just validated my point by saying he is no more than a jamal crawford. CJ has far superior handles compared to Crawford, and Id dare say slightly better D.

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I never said you said. I said it seems, and you just validated my point by saying he is no more than a jamal crawford. CJ has far superior handles compared to Crawford, and Id dare say slightly better D.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Looks that way.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Looks that way.

All good my friend. I get it. You think CJ is trash and I think he is a superstar. lol.

 

[TBpup]

All good my friend. I get it. You think CJ is trash and I think he is a superstar. lol.

You're both right. Trash on defense.....superstar on offense.

 

[blue9]

Klay, strictly as a player, might be the better player due to defense. But CJ's offensive repertoire is better. So the overall extent to which Klay is better is less than just saying he's CJ + defense. He's CJ + defense - some offense.

Also, I think CJ would be a much better team leader than Klay. Klay seems to have an attitude, and I just don't see any leadership qualities in him. CJ, OTOH, is being held back from his true leadership potential due to the fact that this is "Dame's Team". Once you factor in leadership, intelligence, face-of-the-franchiseability an argument could be made for CJ over Klay.

Klay is the sort of player you trade for to put your team over the top, but CJ is the sort of player you trade for to build a new team around. IMO, of course.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Klay, strictly as a player, might be the better player due to defense. But CJ's offensive repertoire is better. So the overall extent to which Klay is better is less than just saying he's CJ + defense. He's CJ + defense - some offense.

Also, I think CJ would be a much better team leader than Klay. Klay seems to have an attitude, and I just don't see any leadership qualities in him. CJ, OTOH, is being held back from his true leadership potential due to the fact that this is "Dame's Team". Once you factor in leadership, intelligence, face-of-the-franchiseability an argument could be made for CJ over Klay.

Klay is the sort of player you trade for to put your team over the top, but CJ is the sort of player you trade for to build a new team around. IMO, of course.

Great post. Couldnt have said it better myself. I cant beleive some here think that CJ cant land is Noel. I'd scream holy hell if we traded CJ for Noel straight up.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Great post. Couldnt have said it better myself. I cant beleive some here think that CJ cant land is Noel. I'd scream holy hell if we traded CJ for Noel straight up.

We would be screwed in that deal.

 

[rotary111]

I would love to see some kind of package deal of Ben Simmons, Noel and a first for CJ and Crabbe or Myle etc ????

I doubt they would let Simmons go this early in his development, but who knows. It's Philly. He has the ability to be an elite playmaker. IMO.

 

[RR7]

I would seriously do Anderson + Boban (maybe + pick?) for CJ.

I laughed at this last year, but wanted to laugh at it again it's just so awful.

 

[BigGameDamian]

In the poll the No's are still leading by a landslide but after a few bumps the yes column is slowly growing.

 

[Sarni]

I would love to see some kind of package deal of Ben Simmons, Noel and a first for CJ and Crabbe or Myle etc ????

I doubt they would let Simmons go this early in his development, but who knows. It's Philly. He has the ability to be an elite playmaker. IMO.

Embiid. Much better prospect, will be a perfect center.

 

[GDiama]

Embiid. Much better prospect, will be a perfect center.

Yes but they wouldn't give him even if we offered them Lillard

 

[BigGameDamian]

Did CJ just up his trade value?

 

[Strenuus]

Did CJ just up his trade value?

Do you just ask obvious questions?

Damnit, I just did it.

 

[dviss1]

CJ has far superior handles compared to Crawford

 

[Orion Bailey]

You dont think so? Oh yeah, you missed last nights game!

 

[GDiama]

You dont think so? Oh yeah, you missed last nights game!

Looks like you missed Crawford's career!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Looks like you missed Crawford's career!

Whats a good way to compare the two? TO's?

Anyhow, I put my money on CJ. I watched alot of Crawford. He is good, but I think CJ has better handles and he is still improving.

 

[oldfisherman]

I am 100% against trading CJ.

My biggest fear is that CJ will be traded.
Reason, he maybe the only Blazer player that can get Olshey out of the huge mess he created with the cap situation. While making the team more competitive.

My guess is a trade centered on CJ and the Cavs first to Philly, for Noel and their unprotected lottery first, fine tune as needed.

This trade would balance Philly’s roster.
We would get a starting center, and, probably a top 3 pick on a rookie contract.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Outside of traded to PHI or a 3 way trade with them included there is less than a 1% chance that CJ is traded before the summer. Even if you are sure PHI is going to be involved I would put any deal happening before summer at 5% chance max.