Trading for a center

[illmatic99]

Here is one that someone probably mentioned, but I missed it, and he is intriguing. Lucas-Nogueira of the Raptors. Drafted 16 by the Hawks in 2013. Not sure why he didn't play more games last year for Toronto, but this year he is averaging 3.5 blocks, 2 steals and 8.6 rebounds per 36. He has about 3 more inches on wingspan and standing reach over Noel (who has about 3 over Davis and Plumlee). Now who the heck they would want from us, I don't know; they are a pretty complete team. They even have a backup SG who is shooting .472 from the three this year. The question is: where was Olshey when Toronto traded John Salmons for Lou Williams and Nogueira?

Bebe is 2 years older than Noel in age, and about 4 years younger in terms of development. He won't last on the court for 36 minutes. That stat is meaningless. And Lou Will is probably the early front runner for 6MoY (putting up 19/3/3). That has turned out to be a terrible move for TOR so far.

 

[illmatic99]

What we need is a low usg rim runner, who has good hands and tools to develop a decent footwork. I don't care if he can hit a jumpshot.

But bigger than all that is the guy has to have a huge wingspan, be able to block shots, and move his feet when hedging/switching on picks. Noel (when healthy) is probably the BEST option of all the guys out there.

Nurkic I like for all of the above and his attitude. He is more offensively oriented than we'd like, but having an option to throw the ball to for about 2 possessions a quarter could only help vary our attack. He seems like a guy who will become a winner. Noel, not so much.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Bebe is 2 years older than Noel in age, and about 4 years younger in terms of development. He won't last on the court for 36 minutes. That stat is meaningless. And Lou Will is probably the early front runner for 6MoY (putting up 19/3/3). That has turned out to be a terrible move for TOR so far.

I'm a little confused. Does he have bad stamina? Why couldn't he play 36 minutes or at least 24? And about Lou Williams; he signed as a free agent with LA, so Toronto never traded him away. It's still all academic because I see no reason for Toronto to trade lucas-nogueira.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm a little confused. Does he have bad stamina? Why couldn't he play 36 minutes or at least 24? And about Lou Williams; he signed as a free agent with LA, so Toronto never traded him away. It's still all academic because I see no reason for Toronto to trade lucas-nogueira.

He's really foul prone, and has like 0 offensive game. And his hands are bricks. Opposing teams would start to pick on him on both ends if he played more than his current 18 mpg.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm a little confused. Does he have bad stamina? Why couldn't he play 36 minutes or at least 24? And about Lou Williams; he signed as a free agent with LA, so Toronto never traded him away. It's still all academic because I see no reason for Toronto to trade lucas-nogueira.

That said, I'd rather roll the dice on Bebe than trading for a bloated contract dude like Biyombo or Mahimi. Or even an offense only C like Monroe or Vuc.

Decent out of box suggestion.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Bebe Nogueira has long been rumored to have bad knees.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What we need is a low usg rim runner, who has good hands and tools to develop a decent footwork. I don't care if he can hit a jumpshot....Nurkic I like for all of the above

Not according to this:

But Nurkic is also a high-usage player — second only to Emmanuel Mudiay on the team — a ball-dominant personality that hovers over any other big on the court.

 

[riverman]

I was really impressed with Townes and Dieng in their game against the Warriors last night...when on court together they are a force...Dieng is like Ibaka in a lot of ways...shot blocking..rim protecting rebounder...hadn't seen him play much before

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I was really impressed with Townes and Dieng in their game against the Warriors last night...when on court together they are a force...Dieng is like Ibaka in a lot of ways...shot blocking..rim protecting rebounder...hadn't seen him play much before

good to hear that; I know that Dieng's coaches always seem to love him and he had good stats last year, but I don't see him much actually in action. I think his rebounds are down this year cuz Townes gobbles up so many.

 

[riverman]

good to hear that; I know that Dieng's coaches always seem to love him and he had good stats last year, but I don't see him much actually in action. I think his rebounds are down this year cuz Townes gobbles up so many.

Working with Thibs is going to take him to the next level

 

[illmatic99]

Not according to this:

Ya I don't think he's what we necessarily need offensively. But having a post player to go at GS' biggest weakness is not really a bad thing.

 

[Scalma]

Ya I don't think he's what we necessarily need offensively. But having a post player to go at GS' biggest weakness is not really a bad thing.

I don't mind Nurkic' usage numbers. He gets easy buckets and is very good at getting them. He's really improved his offensive game this year. He gets to the rim against pretty much anybody. You have to see what kind of value that would add to our team. He also isn't a selfish player. He's shown enough passing ability/court IQ for me to think that part of his game would take a leap under Stotts.

Noel would be great too, but he comes with more risk and is about to get paid. Then again that's why he could come cheaper compensation wise

 

[Blazers Roy]

Yeah, Sabonis and Walton were terrible for this organization. Being racist against white people is edgy and funny!

Sorry, i'm not american.
I'm not used to being politically correct\safe internet environments.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Omer Asik is available?

 

[Blazers Roy]

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Asik has a horrible contract and was benched by the Pelicans for Alexis Ajinca. Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[illmatic99]

Asik has a horrible contract and was benched by the Pelicans for Alexis Ajinca. Let that sink in for a moment.

And the days of him being "rim-protecting" are far from reality.

 

[Scalma]

Every time I see or hear of Omer Asik I say to myself "Asik is still in the league!?"

 

[riverman]

I watched him play the other night and I thought the film was in slow motion but it was just him...looks like a guy who doesn't like his job to me

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Asik has pretty good DRPM numbers.
(Better than Chandler, Drummond, Adams, Bebe, Whiteside, Noah, Nurkic...)
Kinda surprised at Vucevic's high ranking there, and Marc Gasol (former DPOY)'s low ranking.

(As I suggested in another thread: the obvious Asik trade is a swap for Pekovic. Pek has 2 fewer years on his deal, and Thibs loved Asik in Chicago.)

 

[Boob-No-More]

No! please! no more Centers! no more white Centers!!

So, you'd prefer another LaRue Martin, Sam Bowie or Greg Oden?

Sorry, i'm not american.
I'm not used to being politically correct\safe internet environments.

Then why even bring it up? The subject of race is completely irrelevant in this discussion. We don't need a black center, or a white center, we need a rim protector who can rebound and hopefully defend the pick and roll. Hell, right now I'd gladly take an in-his-prime Joel Przybilla over any big man we currently have on this roster. Not because he's white, but because, in his prime, he was a great shot blocker and rebounder. And those are two things this team sorely lacks.

BNM

 

[Blazers Roy]

So, you'd prefer another LaRue Martin, Sam Bowie or Greg Oden?



Then why even bring it up? The subject of race is completely irrelevant in this discussion. We don't need a black center, or a white center, we need a rim protector who can rebound and hopefully defend the pick and roll. Hell, right now I'd gladly take an in-his-prime Joel Przybilla over any big man we currently have on this roster. Not because he's white, but because, in his prime, he was a great shot blocker and rebounder. And those are two things this team sorely lacks.

BNM

IT WAS A JOKE!!!

JEEEEEEEEEEESUS.

 

[H.C.]

I picked other because if I was the GM, none of the players on your pole would be my first target. Simply because I believe other players complement Lillard better.

Before the season ended I'd trade for Noel or Okafor. Once Portland contracts come trade-able on this roster I'd offer Crabbe/Aminu or Harkless/Plumlee.
I don't think it'll take much for Philly to part ways with one of their bigs not named Embiid. Especially if they're getting Aminu who can slide in and play next to Embiid.
At the end of the season I'd offer the Wizards CJ for Wall. Even though I believe CJ and Lillard do indeed complement each other. I believe Wall fits far better with Lillard than CJ does. It's just not working in Washington and I believe they'll be rebuilding sooner than later. Wall is under contract until the end of 2019, CJ just signed an extension. So both teams will be switching players who can remain with the teams for a few years.

I'd be less inclined to give up a shooter like CJ, for a non shooter like Wall...(even though Wall has got better, he's not a shooter) If Portland got Okafor instead of Noel. But I'd still do it.
Simply because Lillard+Wall+Noel would equal the ability to play up-tempo and run teams off the court. With Okafor while you could still run, you'd want to slow it down a little bit more than with Noel to take advantage of Okafor's skill set.

 

[Boob-No-More]

At the end of the season I'd offer the Wizards CJ for Wall. Even though I believe CJ and Lillard do indeed complement each other. I believe Wall fits far better with Lillard than CJ does. It's just not working in Washington and I believe they'll be rebuilding sooner than later. Wall is under contract until the end of 2019, CJ just signed an extension. So both teams will be switching players who can remain with the teams for a few years.

Kudos for thinking outside of the box on this one. I would have never thought of John Wall as a trade target, and my first though was, he's a PG and we already have an all start PG in Dame. But, then I realized, Dame could play off the ball on offense more and Wall could guard the other teams best guard. So, I could see it working.

But, why would WAS do this? C.J. and Bradley Beal would be horribly redundant. Neither is a PG. Beal is basically a lesser version of C.J. that just signed an even bigger extension. You'd have a quarter of a billion dollars committed to two guys that play the same position, with neither well suited to play any other position. I can't see any way this works for WAS. So, they'd have to move Beal for a PG, and with his contract, it would be hard for them to get equal value in return.

BNM

 

[Sinobas]

Sorry, i'm not american.
I'm not used to being politically correct\safe internet environments.

Then you'r a 2nd class citizen. Enjoy living in whatever piece of shit country you're from that could get it's ass kicked by America.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The coming draft is STUFFED with PGs. Not saying they'll be John Wall quality, but they might be better. (Lonzo Ball looks like Jason Kidd II.)

 

[Scalma]

Then you'r a 2nd class citizen. Enjoy living in whatever piece of shit country you're from that could get it's ass kicked by America.

What is this?

 

[blue9]

Another thing to remember is other teams aren't stupid...

Yes they are. Not all of them, but probably at least half of them.

 

[Sinobas]

What is this?

I'll tell you want it is:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This might add to the availability of both Nurkic and Bogut...