Trail Blazers gear up for legislative ask that would ‘guarantee’ team’s future in Portland

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So, we're just gonna forget the lease goes through 29-30, and that if the team leave before that lease ends the team owes the city $ for any upgrades they've done, right?
 
All you're explaining is that your family and friends are/were racists. Your past experience says far more about you and yours' than it does about anyone else. You seem like a crappy person. Is is shocking that your family and friends are also crappy people?

So weird that the post that drew you out of your hibernation was this one. But hey, you do you.

I may not always agree with her, but she's far from a crappy person.

See you in 7 months!
 
So weird that the post that drew you out of your hibernation was this one. But hey, you do you.

I may not always agree with her, but she's far from a crappy person.

See you in 7 months!
I just fail to see how someone's friends and family being bad people leads to judgement and insults of other people. It seems far more likely that the person with the admittedly despicable family might also not be a great person themselves.
 
Double post but this drew me out of hibernation after 7 months because I'm not from Portland and nobody in my friends or family has said anything racist at any family gatherings in my entire life. I do not want be grouped with and insulted by someone because their own family are racists or violent extremists.
 
https://katu.com/news/local/senate-...ben-bowman-jessica-vega-pederson-jamie-dunphy

The amount of support this bill and the 600M renovation have makes it almost a formality that it gets passed during this legislative session. You can not like it, you can agree with those that say the renovations aren't needed and that we're just giving into the billionaire group that just bought the team but it's going to happen anyway. The good news is it will also keep our team.

From the articles I've read the team is going to have to agree to stay here the next 20 years to get this done.
 
Declaring an emergency?!?

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another article at OLive:


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I noticed this:

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maybe I need education on this, but I searched for what the interest rate would be on a 20 year municipal bond and got this:

'Current interest rates for 20-year Oregon municipal bonds vary, but generally fall in the
low to mid-4% range for high-grade (AA/AAA) issues, with some recent national benchmarks around 4.20%, while overall market yields for longer-term bonds are closer to 4.79%, reflecting the tax advantages and broader market trends, so expect rates to be competitive with these benchmarks. Specific rates depend heavily on the issuer's credit quality, market demand, and the bond's exact maturity
'

so, a 20 year duration on the bonds that would be a total amount of 360M and have a debt service cost of somewhere around 4.5% And paid for by a jock tax estimated to raise around 20M/year. The debt service would be around 16M/year, and a 20 year retirement schedule would put the annual cost to be around 26M/year; which is 6M more than the jock tax would raise. And that does not account for management costs of the 360M in bonds or a call-schedule. I suppose that might be a bridgeable gap but like so many things about this deal, it's pretty vague

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then this:

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in other words, there's little substance to this bill. It's just the first baby step. A snapshot of intent and the focus might change before the next baby step

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and this:

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so...no guarantee from the commissioner's office this will be enough. And I haven't seen any guarantee from Dundon either. This looks like 3 different governments just winging a vague proposal thru the system while hoping it will do the trick

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" As part of the hearing, Multnomah County Chair Jessica Vega Pederson told the committee that the county was prepared to contribute $88 million to the project through its motor vehicle rental tax and business income tax, which is up from the $77 million the county had previously agreed to commit.

Wilson said that the city would provide $120 million toward upfront costs while paying $14 million annually. However, after some within City Hall expressed skepticism over last week’s report by The Oregonian/OregonLive that Portland leaders were pushing to access the coveted dollars in the city’s clean energy fund for the project, Wilson declined to specify how exactly the city would pay for its piece of the puzzle. He noted only that he had some “placeholder” numbers to present to council and pointed to fees from tickets and parking at Moda Center events.
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really looks like the local angle is crumbling a bit around the edges

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finally, this:

Sen. Bruce Starr, a vice-chair of the Rules Committee and the Senate Minority Leader, pressed Trail Blazers president Dewayne Hankins on the rationale behind the Moda Center plan. If the then-Rose Garden was built in 1995 with significantly less public investment but came with a 30-year lease, he questioned why the team should be allowed to make a shorter commitment to the city if the building was renovated entirely with public funds.

Hankins said that modern arenas have lifespans of roughly 50 years and therefore the team would not consider another 30-year lease. “The work that has to be done to the building we believe can sustain (it) for the next 20 years,” he said.

Starr, a Republican from Dundee, asked to what degree the Trail Blazers had explored constructing an entirely new arena to create a runway of five decades instead of just two.


“In reality,” Hankins said, “a new building would be twice as much (money). We thought the responsible thing was to do a renovation.”

to me, this is a compelling question: whether to spend 600M to renovate a 30 year old building for a 20 year lifespan. Or, spend 1.2B to build a new arena with a 50 year lifespan.

I said this earlier in the thread, but I really think one of the first steps is to get Dundon and the NBA to agree to a ironclad long term commitment before the state, city, and county expend much more effort. So far, I'm seeing the 3 different governments jumping thru hoops while the billionaires commit to nothing
 

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to me, this is a compelling question: whether to spend 600M to renovate a 30 year old building for a 20 year lifespan. Or, spend 1.2B to build a new arena with a 50 year lifespan.

I said this earlier in the thread, but I really think one of the first steps is to get Dundon and the NBA to agree to a ironclad long term commitment before the state, city, and county expend much more effort. So far, I'm seeing the 3 different governments jumping thru hoops while the billionaires commit to nothing

Let's see a plan.

If the NBA were to guarantee an All-Star game within 2 years of the new arena opening and...

If Dundon would guarantee to cover any cost overruns if it goes over the $1.2 billion and...

The Blazers would agree to a 30-year lease...

It should be considered.
 
But clearly not savvy. Why show your hand when giving a press conference ?
Because Silver boss - the owners - wanted him to say that.

You keep referencing Silver as though he is responsible to some group besides the owners.
 
So, we're just gonna forget the lease goes through 29-30, and that if the team leave before that lease ends the team owes the city $ for any upgrades they've done, right?
How much has the city spent on Moda upgrades?
 
another article at OLive:


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I noticed this:

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maybe I need education on this, but I searched for what the interest rate would be on a 20 year municipal bond and got this:

'Current interest rates for 20-year Oregon municipal bonds vary, but generally fall in the
low to mid-4% range for high-grade (AA/AAA) issues, with some recent national benchmarks around 4.20%, while overall market yields for longer-term bonds are closer to 4.79%, reflecting the tax advantages and broader market trends, so expect rates to be competitive with these benchmarks. Specific rates depend heavily on the issuer's credit quality, market demand, and the bond's exact maturity
'

so, a 20 year duration on the bonds that would be a total amount of 360M and have a debt service cost of somewhere around 4.5% And paid for by a jock tax estimated to raise around 20M/year. The debt service would be around 16M/year, and a 20 year retirement schedule would put the annual cost to be around 26M/year; which is 6M more than the jock tax would raise. And that does not account for management costs of the 360M in bonds or a call-schedule. I suppose that might be a bridgeable gap but like so many things about this deal, it's pretty vague

**********************************************************************************

then this:

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in other words, there's little substance to this bill. It's just the first baby step. A snapshot of intent and the focus might change before the next baby step

******************************************************************************************

and this:

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so...no guarantee from the commissioner's office this will be enough. And I haven't seen any guarantee from Dundon either. This looks like 3 different governments just winging a vague proposal thru the system while hoping it will do the trick

***********************************************************************************

" As part of the hearing, Multnomah County Chair Jessica Vega Pederson told the committee that the county was prepared to contribute $88 million to the project through its motor vehicle rental tax and business income tax, which is up from the $77 million the county had previously agreed to commit.

Wilson said that the city would provide $120 million toward upfront costs while paying $14 million annually. However, after some within City Hall expressed skepticism over last week’s report by The Oregonian/OregonLive that Portland leaders were pushing to access the coveted dollars in the city’s clean energy fund for the project, Wilson declined to specify how exactly the city would pay for its piece of the puzzle. He noted only that he had some “placeholder” numbers to present to council and pointed to fees from tickets and parking at Moda Center events.
"

really looks like the local angle is crumbling a bit around the edges

*************************************************************************************

finally, this:

Sen. Bruce Starr, a vice-chair of the Rules Committee and the Senate Minority Leader, pressed Trail Blazers president Dewayne Hankins on the rationale behind the Moda Center plan. If the then-Rose Garden was built in 1995 with significantly less public investment but came with a 30-year lease, he questioned why the team should be allowed to make a shorter commitment to the city if the building was renovated entirely with public funds.

Hankins said that modern arenas have lifespans of roughly 50 years and therefore the team would not consider another 30-year lease. “The work that has to be done to the building we believe can sustain (it) for the next 20 years,” he said.

Starr, a Republican from Dundee, asked to what degree the Trail Blazers had explored constructing an entirely new arena to create a runway of five decades instead of just two.


“In reality,” Hankins said, “a new building would be twice as much (money). We thought the responsible thing was to do a renovation.”

to me, this is a compelling question: whether to spend 600M to renovate a 30 year old building for a 20 year lifespan. Or, spend 1.2B to build a new arena with a 50 year lifespan.

I said this earlier in the thread, but I really think one of the first steps is to get Dundon and the NBA to agree to a ironclad long term commitment before the state, city, and county expend much more effort. So far, I'm seeing the 3 different governments jumping thru hoops while the billionaires commit to nothing
Are your amounts just for 2026? The jock tax $ will increase significantly over the next 20 years.
 
Are your amounts just for 2026? The jock tax $ will increase significantly over the next 20 years.
probably

if you figure $95,000 for every million in Blazer salary, if you figure around 180M in salary next season that's 16M in jock tax. I'm not sure if employees in the Blazers offices will be part of the tax, or if the coaches will. I really don't have an idea about how much will be collected from other performers at the Moda
 
It's interesting that the Carolina Hurricanes have the same colors and roughly the same logo. Moving the Blazers to Raleigh wouldn't be unreasonable.
 
Let's see a plan.

If the NBA were to guarantee an All-Star game within 2 years of the new arena opening and...

If Dundon would guarantee to cover any cost overruns if it goes over the $1.2 billion and...

The Blazers would agree to a 30-year lease...

It should be considered.
the same should be true of a renovation
 
smfh...They were willing to do it for a baseball team that probably will never come here, but seem hesitant to do it for a team that has been here for almost 60 years and without them, this city becomes an absolute joke sports wise.

Makes perfect sense.
Look at the makeup of our political leaders. Do you really think they give a rip about Portland's status as a sports town? They drove out all the corporations that actually fund franchises out of town, why not the Blazers?

I actually expect them to leave. It sucks, but Portland has voted for this leadership. We have only ourselves to blame.
 
It's interesting that the Carolina Hurricanes have the same colors and roughly the same logo. Moving the Blazers to Raleigh wouldn't be unreasonable.

Yeah, because the Charlotte Hornets would be giddy about that...
 

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