Transgender first grader - Are you okay with it?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If there is ever a place to teach understanding and acceptance, it is in an educational atmosphere. If this makes kids uncomfortable, well imagine how they will feel in the real world. Time to learn about this topic and proper ways of dealing with it.

Heck, getting to school on time, homework and certain teachers makes kids uncomfortable . . . is the goal of school to teach or make kids feel comfortable. I say take kids out of their comfort zone and make them deal with situations that are uncomfortable so they will be prepared for it in the real world . . . wait I think I'm having a flashback to my high school basketball coach speeches . . .

"Listen girls, you're going to take massive shits with a guy in the stall next to you, so just deal with it. It'll prepare you for the real world!"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The fabric of society will collapse.

By the way, were you aware that unisex bathrooms already exist! No wonder society's going down the tubes.



Do tell.



That's the reason? Wow. Well clearly that's important enough to trump EVERYTHING. (Does the fact that I don't want dudes pissing on the toilet seat either make me a girl? I always worried about that.)



Again, wow. What a sensitive flower you are.

Unisex bathrooms? In schools? Yeah, they are more likely in clubs trying to be edgy. Face it, girls go to the bathroom to gossip and put on make up and talk just as much as they go to take dumps. Having a guy in there (I don't care what he says he is, he has a cock, he's a dude) will make them uncomfortable. Within the school, yes, the society will collapse. This won't be normal, its fucked up shit for young girls to have to be subjected to having guys go in the same restrooms as them. they'll be all weirded out and wildin' out.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

"Listen girls, you're going to take massive shits with a guy in the stall next to you, so just deal with it. It'll prepare you for the real world!"

That is one way to look at it and address the problem. Not they way I would handle it if I was a teacher.

Of course we could say fuck you to the student," we don't deal with kids like you, not going to tolerate your situation, so fuck off and go to the boy's bathroom and never mention this again"

 

[Rastapopoulos]

By the same token, what's the big deal for this kid? It's just a bathroom, right? Why does the child care so much which one is used?

Fair point: perhaps it's time to get rid of the classification of bathrooms into boys and girls. I like urinals for speed and convenience, so maybe they could just be divided into a room of urinals and a separate room of stalls.

I think the real worry here is pervy types (assume: boys) trying to catch glimpses as their victims use the bathroom. But obviously that's what the original kid is trying to avoid in going into the bathroom that she identifies with.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Unisex bathrooms? In schools? Yeah, they are more likely in clubs trying to be edgy. Face it, girls go to the bathroom to gossip and put on make up and talk just as much as they go to take dumps. Having a guy in there (I don't care what he says he is, he has a cock, he's a dude) will make them uncomfortable. Within the school, yes, the society will collapse. This won't be normal, its fucked up shit for young girls to have to be subjected to having guys go in the same restrooms as them. they'll be all weirded out and wildin' out.

I'm not quoting this to respond to it, I'm just gazing at it in awe. It's nice to see that (a) you understand all women so thoroughly, and (b) you are so concerned for their welfare. Incidentally, how do women feel about easy access to birth control and boys having inoculations against the virus that causes HPV?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Are we going to bring "separate but equal" into this arena too? If I decide that I like the girls bathrooms better--not because I "identify as female", but simply because they're cleaner and smell nicer--am I being discriminated against on the basis of gender? Are separate boys/girls bathrooms a violation of the equal protection clause?

thanks for the laugh! Great post and repped! That is one of the kindest troll kick that I have seen in a while.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The numbers are about as hypothetical as you saying the school kids accept this boy being a girl.

Remind me where I said that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

That is one way to look at it and address the problem. Not they way I would handle it if I was a teacher.

Of course we could say fuck you to the student," we don't deal with kids like you, not going to tolerate your situation, so fuck off and go to the boy's bathroom and never mention this again"

Listen, if she's a girl then take a year off, get the horomone therapy to become a biological female or whatever. There should be no cocks in the girl's restroom. If she's so mindfucked because of it, use the bathroom in the teachers lounge.

 

[Denny Crane]

They've already been allowing transgendered kids to use the "right" bathrooms in LA for the last decade. If there were problems, they'd have been in the news all along.

The person is what it looks like. Dressed like a girl, it is a girl, and she should get to use the girl's bathroom.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm not quoting this to respond to it, I'm just gazing at it in awe. It's nice to see that (a) you understand all women so thoroughly, and (b) you are so concerned for their welfare. Incidentally, how do women feel about easy access to birth control and boys having inoculations against the virus that causes HPV?

don't care about that stuff at all.

but having a guy use their restrooms is going to fuck up these girls. like i said, he's not a girl. either have completely unisex bathrooms for all or let him use some private facility.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They've already been allowing transgendered kids to use the "right" bathrooms in LA for the last decade. If there were problems, they'd have been in the news all along.

The person is what it looks like. Dressed like a girl, it is a girl, and she should get to use the girl's bathroom.

has a cock. not a girl.

If you dressed up as a girl and said you were, it wouldn't make it true.

 

[maxiep]

If there is ever a place to teach understanding and acceptance, it is in an educational atmosphere. If this makes kids uncomfortable, well imagine how they will feel in the real world. Time to learn about this topic and proper ways of dealing with it.

Heck, getting to school on time, homework and certain teachers makes kids uncomfortable . . . is the goal of school to teach or make kids feel comfortable. I say take kids out of their comfort zone and make them deal with situations that are uncomfortable so they will be prepared for it in the real world . . . wait I think I'm having a flashback to my high school basketball coach speeches . . .

My guess is you don't have children. As for teaching them lessons, some lessons can wait until after 1st grade.

The solution is easy, it's just the parents trying to force their belief system on the school as a whole.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

My guess is you don't have children. As for teaching them lessons, some lessons can wait until after 1st grade.

The solution is easy, it's just the parents trying to force their belief system on the school as a whole.

way to cut to the quick! this fact seems to be the heart of the matter, and many enjoy confusing the issue,. repped

 

[The_Lillard_King]

My guess is you don't have children. As for teaching them lessons, some lessons can wait until after 1st grade.

The solution is easy, it's just the parents trying to force their belief system on the school as a whole.

Which parents trying to enforce their belief system? Everything was fine in kindergarten, then the school sends this letter:

"However, I'm certain you can appreciate that, as Coy grows older and his male genitals develop along with the rest of his body, at least some parents and students are likely to become uncomfortable with his continued use of the girls' restroom."


Look I'm not going to pretend to understand the idea of being born a boy but feeling like a girl. But I do know that this kid is different and my bet is it is not the 6 yr kids who are uncomfortable with it, it is the parents . . . and maybe they should be (if I was uncomfortable with something happening at my child's school, I would try to change it too)

After reading the article, personally. I think the school handled this correctly by giving him alternative options. It a tough topic and there are arguments on both sides, but school taking a middle ground approach sends the right message to other kids, IMO.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

way to cut to the quick! this fact seems to be the heart of the matter, and many enjoy confusing the issue,. repped

I don't think the world and the issues we discuss are as simple as you think they are. These are difficult topics that raise a lot of discussion (which is a good thing) for a reason.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I don't think the world and the issues we discuss are as simple as you think they are. These are difficult topics that raise a lot of discussion (which is a good thing) for a reason.

while I rspect your opinion, this is cut and dry to me.

This is a boy that believes he is a girl

We as a sociaty have Mens bath rooms, ladies rooms and multi gender bath rooms.

If this boy has a problem with using the boys room, then as there are no "boys that believe they are girls" room, than a multi gender bath room should be made available for him

and for the record, yes it does grate me to a small degree that once again the issue becomes not inclusion, but rather exception..

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

"Listen girls, you're going to take massive shits with a guy in the stall next to you, so just deal with it. It'll prepare you for the real world!"

Reminds me of the movie "Harold and Kumar".

That movie clearly shows that girls can hold their own at "battle shits".

 

[maxiep]

Which parents trying to enforce their belief system? Everything was fine in kindergarten, then the school sends this letter:

"However, I'm certain you can appreciate that, as Coy grows older and his male genitals develop along with the rest of his body, at least some parents and students are likely to become uncomfortable with his continued use of the girls' restroom."


Look I'm not going to pretend to understand the idea of being born a boy but feeling like a girl. But I do know that this kid is different and my bet is it is not the 6 yr kids who are uncomfortable with it, it is the parents . . . and maybe they should be (if I was uncomfortable with something happening at my child's school, I would try to change it too)

After reading the article, personally. I think the school handled this correctly by giving him alternative options. It a tough topic and there are arguments on both sides, but school taking a middle ground approach sends the right message to other kids, IMO.

I have a son. I'd be infuriated if I found out the school was letting a girl share a bathroom that wasn't private or a lockerroom with him. They're plenty curious and they don't understand boundaries. You may think of it as "educational" or just a "belief system", but my child doesn't need to be some part of fucking experiment.

I'm sorry that some child "feels" different. However, that child's rights do not supercede the rights of my child.

 

[Mediocre Man]

while I rspect your opinion, this is cut and dry to me.

This is a boy that believes he is a girl

We as a sociaty have Mens bath rooms, ladies rooms and multi gender bath rooms.

If this boy has a problem with using the boys room, then as there are no "boys that believe they are girls" room, than a multi gender bath room should be made available for him

and for the record, yes it does grate me to a small degree that once again the issue becomes not inclusion, but rather exception..

Why should the school have to accommodate a boy who thinks he is a girl by either building a rest room, or turning one of the current rest rooms into his own private rest room?


What seems cut and dry to me is that this is a BOY. Until this BOY can have the surgery HE probably needs, then HE should use the BOYS room in public places. Does this family get to sue any place that wont let this BOY pee in the girls bathroom?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I have a son. I'd be infuriated if I found out the school was letting a girl share a bathroom that wasn't private or a lockerroom with him. They're plenty curious and they don't understand boundaries. You may think of it as "educational" or just a "belief system", but my child doesn't need to be some part of fucking experiment.

I'm sorry that some child "feels" different. However, that child's rights do not supercede the rights of my child.

Reasonable way to feel and guessing that is why the school is making the change. As you said earlier, parents trying trying to force their belief system on the school as a whole.

I don't think gender neutral bathrooms are an experiment as much as I don't think sexual education in schools is an experiment but rather schools trying to do the right thing. Like I said before I think these are hard topic that have probably been discussed at length. Some think schools should not give sexual education or debate what is the appropriate age to introduce that to kids? These schools are shaping the future leaders of tomorrow . . . I hope thye put a lot of thought and get a opinions from a wide variety of people before making decisions like these.

 

[MarAzul]

Parents of transgender first-grader file discrimination complaint



I don't know how I feel about this. I understand that this nation is moving towards a very accepting lifestyle change; but I think allowing an 6 year old boy to go to a girl's bathroom doesn't sit well with me. I understand that many believe lifestyle, like transgender is considered genetic, but they still have male organs and I think it would confuse them more if they saw that their junk is much different than girls.

Also, what about high school, when the boy now is mature and so are the girls? Does he get to shower in the girl locker room too?

I know how I feel. I call bullshit! The first grader has yet to develop any qualms these parents are asserting in this case.

 

[PapaG]

The mom is searching for a reality TV show featuring her and her "girl". This is more about the mom than the kid.

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2013/06/mother-of-transgendered-son-coy-boy.html

What kind of psychopath uses their kid as a prop?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

while I rspect your opinion, this is cut and dry to me.

This is a boy that believes he is a girl

We as a sociaty have Mens bath rooms, ladies rooms and multi gender bath rooms.

If this boy has a problem with using the boys room, then as there are no "boys that believe they are girls" room, than a multi gender bath room should be made available for him

and for the record, yes it does grate me to a small degree that once again the issue becomes not inclusion, but rather exception..

I have a son. I'd be infuriated if I found out the school was letting a girl share a bathroom that wasn't private or a lockerroom with him. They're plenty curious and they don't understand boundaries. You may think of it as "educational" or just a "belief system", but my child doesn't need to be some part of fucking experiment.

I'm sorry that some child "feels" different. However, that child's rights do not supercede the rights of my child.

Why should the school have to accommodate a boy who thinks he is a girl by either building a rest room, or turning one of the current rest rooms into his own private rest room?


What seems cut and dry to me is that this is a BOY. Until this BOY can have the surgery HE probably needs, then HE should use the BOYS room in public places. Does this family get to sue any place that wont let this BOY pee in the girls bathroom?

Repped x 3.

It's so fucking simple, I really do not get the confusion some people are having. Or how calling a child with a penis a boy somehow makes me a bigot of some sort.

People want to start accommodating ever "feeling" children have? This is absolutely ridiculous. Some of you are brainwashed freedom haters.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

some first graders think they are dogs. :MARIS61:

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The boy/girl is an exception. So he should use an "exception" room, i.e. multi-gender restroom.

I have two young daughters. I have no issues with this boy/girl. I have no issues if my girls brought this child home as a friend. I would, however, take issue with this child using the girls' restroom or locker room.

Why should the school accomodate one child at the dismay of all the girls in the school (and all of the parents) by allowing the child to use the girls' room? Sounds like if the school is offering alternatives, that should be more than enough to accomodate this "alternative" child.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

some first graders think they are dogs. :MARIS61:

some 12th graders are

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The boy/girl is an exception. So he should use an "exception" room, i.e. multi-gender restroom.

I have two young daughters. I have no issues with this boy/girl. I have no issues if my girls brought this child home as a friend. I would, however, take issue with this child using the girls' restroom or locker room.

Why should the school accomodate one child at the dismay of all the girls in the school (and all of the parents) by allowing the child to use the girls' room? Sounds like if the school is offering alternatives, that should be more than enough to accomodate this "alternative" child.

the correct term is "outlier". I wouldn't even go that far though as he's a boy with nothing more than a change in perception.

 

[PapaG]

the correct term is "outlier".

The other correct term is "attention whore mom".

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The other correct term is whore mom.

I think it's more simple than that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Rape culture?