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BlazerCaravan said:
Definitely, if you disregard grammar, don't bother to do more than skim the sentence, and see the words next to each other, it looks really provocative!
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Well are you a Vet? Perhaps you can clarify it for me? Maybe it's the boner pills?
 
MarAzul said:
Well are you a Vet? Perhaps you can clarify it for me? Maybe it's the boner pills?
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Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll help you out.

The sentence said: "If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Now, I will change certain sections of the sentence different colors to help simplify it for you.

"If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Clearly, the "that's their *** problem" portion at the end related back to the generals' hand-wringing at the beginning. And the hand-wringing is only being done in regard to soldiers' badassery or medication's cost. The PTSD is mentioned only in relation to the cost of the corresponding boner pills the PTSD necessitates.

Does that help?
 
MarAzul said:
Perhaps you can clarify it for me?
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I said it was the fault of the generals if they're going to worry more about trans people hurting the military than soldiers with PTSD.

I have seen PTSD tear apart friends; I support them and wish that mental health treatments weren't so stigmatized in America that they feel they don't have any support.

Apropos of nothing, I also think literacy is very important.
 
MarAzul said:
OH! It looks like something new is going to be learned today. Go for it Sly!
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Our military has responded worldwide in times of natural disaster and famine just to name a few instances where they weren't used for war. Our military has done amazing and honorable things all over the world that wasn't war.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll help you out.

The sentence said: "If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Now, I will change certain sections of the sentence different colors to help simplify it for you.

"If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Clearly, the "that's their *** problem" portion at the end related back to the generals' hand-wringing at the beginning. And the hand-wringing is only being done in regard to soldiers' badassery or medication's cost. The PTSD is mentioned only in relation to the cost of the corresponding boner pills the PTSD necessitates.

Does that help?
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Oh yes! very helpful. Making light of the the PTSD and the treatment as compared to the huge issue of very expensive Transgender treatment.
Those fucking Generals hardly have their priorities sorted.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I said it was the fault of the generals if they're going to worry more about trans people hurting the military than soldiers with PTSD.

I have seen PTSD tear apart friends; I support them and wish that mental health treatments weren't so stigmatized in America that they feel they don't have any support.

Apropos of nothing, I also think literacy is very important.
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MarAzul said:
Oh yes! very helpful. Making light of the the PTSD and the treatment as compared to the huge issue of very expensive Transgender treatment.
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Like boner pills, HRT is not expensive; hell, for trans men, testosterone is practically free (because it's already a supplement for manly men who need to feel manly longer). Surgery is a one time cost, and for many trans people, it is optional or even not wanted.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Our military has responded worldwide in times of natural disaster and famine just to name a few instances where they weren't used for war. Our military has done amazing and honorable things all over the world that wasn't war.
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Very good Sly. The benevolent Force! Damn it conjures up the sound of the GarryOwen!
But I don't think we would maintain the force for that warm feeling. A Ford Class Carrier and battle group is way too expensive.
 
MarAzul said:
If there was a Nobel prize for being benevolent, you might be in the running.
But let's try a real question.
If you were starting a new company, hiring your help to get it off and running. And let's say you wanted to provide good healthcare for your employees as a Self Insured employer,
what sort of employees would you hire and how would you do it? As a final step.

A. Have the doctors give every candidate a physical/mental exam, with the healthy well adjusted people passing.

B. Have your social worker select the most deserving people in need of treatment.
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Well adjusted... that's rich.

As someone who has gone through MEPS, I can tell you that your physical/mental exam isn't so good at weeding out the unhealthy or not-so-well adjusted people.

When I was in bootcamp we would have people fall on the ground and fake a seizure just to get out of the military. Totally healthy and well-adjusted, right? One guy who took the oath with me at MEPS faked a seizure and pissed himself just to get out of bootcamp.

Or... you know.... this kind of thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-wight/16-civilians-massacred-to_b_1355179.html

Please, give me an example how being trans would negatively impact their ability to do their job?
 
MarAzul said:
Very good Sly. The benevolent Force! Damn it conjures up the sound of the GarryOwen!
But I don't think we would maintain the force for that warm feeling. A Ford Class Carrier and battle group is way too expensive.
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That's not what I was saying. The quote from that guy's statement was, "The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability."

That is not true and proved examples. Now you're trying to spin it into something else.

War is the main job of our military but not the only one.
 
Natebishop3 said:
When I was in bootcamp we would have people fall on the ground and fake a seizure just to get out of the military
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I didn't ask you about military. I asked which direction you would go starting a new company ( a business)?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
What about if there is a man that can dominate in the WNBA?
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The WNBA and the NBA are not the same thing.

Virtually all of the pro leagues are not "men's leagues." They are widely considered the best in the world, so if there was a woman that was good enough to compete, she would be in those pro leagues.

The WNBA is a women's league. Do you see the distinction?
 
Natebishop3 said:
The WNBA and the NBA are not the same thing.

Virtually all of the pro leagues are not "men's leagues." They are widely considered the best in the world, so if there was a woman that was good enough to compete, she would be in those pro leagues.

The WNBA is a women's league. Do you see the distinction?
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It agree with this because it means a dog can play in the NBA.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The WNBA and the NBA are not the same thing.

Virtually all of the pro leagues are not "men's leagues." They are widely considered the best in the world, so if there was a woman that was good enough to compete, she would be in those pro leagues.

The WNBA is a women's league. Do you see the distinction?
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So you are saying women are not good enough on an open playing field and must be segregated in a "special" league to accommodate their false empowerment?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
War is the main job of our military
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Going have to side with Linc Sly. War, Prepping for War, posturing to prevent War is the reason for the force.
While not the only reason for the National Guard, that does much disaster work. Any good that comes out of the force is not the reason to have it.
But I will go with sometime the good work is also part of posturing!:cool2:


PS

I believe this notion that the military is there to farther the social agenda of do good gang is utter bullshit.
 
MarAzul said:
err, why do they make a big deal of being trans people then? Like if it cost less then pulling a tooth, how the hell does anyone know?
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1 - Most of the time, trans people do hide their identified gender for years or decades out of fear of reprisal from ignorant assholes. Nobody knows at this point, but the trans person doesn't have their treatment

2 - Because people have legislated against trans people for decades, it's actually difficult to gain access to the very cheap treatment without the right insurance. Doctors act as gatekeepers, forcing trans folks to act and do certain things in very specific (sometimes humiliating) ways before we can gain access to the treatment (this is getting better in the last decade). Trans women used to have to dress up in dresses in public; if your case worker saw you wearing pants ever, they'd say you were faking it and yank your access to your treatment.

3 - Because we often don't look like our identified gender, trans people can sometimes get treated like cold dog shit. There's also the risk of getting murdered because you are trans (especially for trans women of color). Also, "trans panic" is still a legal defense in many states, meaning your murderer could get off scot free anyway.

4 - Because of all that fighting we've had to do, and the risk we put ourselves at to express our identity, we are proud, so we don't bother hiding it for the benefit of a queasy public. It's a big deal because it's a battle most people don't have to fight.
 
MarAzul said:
I didn't ask you about military. I asked which direction you would go starting a new company ( a business)?
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If I was starting a business, I would hire based on skill and talent. Not on medical conditions or other perceived flaws that you might think exist.

Can they do the job?

Can they do the job well?

Would they fit in with the team?

But hey, I'm sure you would have been totally okay with turning away black pilots back in WWII because of the bullshit idea that they weren't as good as white pilots. Gotta weed out the inferior, right???
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's actually BS.
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I would give you more credit, Sly. From a combat veterans point of view, I believe that he is ,more than entitled to his opinion.

I also concur that the role of fighting forces is to overpower your enemy. Any allowance of lessening of standards of that fighting force, is unacceptable.

Even with the highest standards met, these kids live in a highly stressful environment. Even the most well adjusted, physically fit soldier can break, so why does it even become a question when wanting to allow someone, who already has issues, to be allowed to place others in harms way.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So you are saying women are not good enough on an open playing field and must be segregated in a "special" league to accommodate their false empowerment?
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I attended the indoor World Championships fpr track and field in Portland last year. My wife and I were amazed at how much faster the men looked than the women in the running events. It was crazy noticeable.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Even the most well adjusted, physically fit soldier can break, so why does it even become a question when wanting to allow someone, who already has issues, to be allowed to place others in harms way.
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I'd like to put the burden of proof on some military experts here to tell me exactly what it is about being trans that puts others in harms way. Because I'm seeing "oh it costs money" and "oh they're out of combat readiness for x weeks because of surgeries", but then it morphed into this "they'll get other soldiers killed"...

I want this explained to me.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So you are saying women are not good enough on an open playing field and must be segregated in a "special" league to accommodate their false empowerment?
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Sports are entertainment. If there is a market for a women's league, then a women's league will exist. Plain and simple.

Most of the players in the MLS aren't good enough on an open playing field in the premier leagues of Europe. Why did we need to create a "special league" in the US instead of watching the best players in the world?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sports are entertainment. If there is a market for a women's league, then a women's league will exist. Plain and simple.

Most of the players in the MLS aren't good enough on an open playing field in the premier leagues of Europe. Why did we need to create a "special league" in the US instead of watching the best players in the world?
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I was going to use that angle but then I realized most folks here would say the MLS should go away because they hate communist futbol.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sports are entertainment. If there is a market for a women's league, then a women's league will exist. Plain and simple.

Most of the players in the MLS aren't good enough on an open playing field in the premier leagues of Europe. Why did we need to create a "special league" in the US instead of watching the best players in the world?
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geography.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sports are entertainment. If there is a market for a women's league, then a women's league will exist. Plain and simple.

Most of the players in the MLS aren't good enough on an open playing field in the premier leagues of Europe. Why did we need to create a "special league" in the US instead of watching the best players in the world?
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Because Merica' that's why.
 
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