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Natebishop3 said:
If I was starting a business, I would hire based on skill and talent. Not on medical conditions or other perceived flaws that you might think exist.

Can they do the job?

Can they do the job well?

Would they fit in with the team?

But hey, I'm sure you would have been totally okay with turning away black pilots back in WWII because of the bullshit idea that they weren't as good as white pilots. Gotta weed out the inferior, right???
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Good luck, I don't suppose you will be doing this job anytime soon.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I was going to use that angle but then I realized most folks here would say the MLS should go away because they hate communist futbol.
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I'm sure there are people who feel that way, and yet it's extremely popular here. So are the Thorns. There's definitely people who don't care about soccer, and that's their prerogative, but there's a market for it.
 
MarAzul said:
Good luck, I don't suppose you will be doing this job anytime soon.
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There was a time when women were thought to be inferior to men. Now I work in an office surrounded by brilliant women.

I guess you never bought into "not judging a book by its cover," eh?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
it's actually difficult to gain access to the very cheap treatment without the right insurance. Doctors act as gatekeepers, forcing trans folks to act and do certain things in very specific (sometimes humiliating) ways before we can gain access to the treatment (this is getting better in the last decade).
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So the Democrats have selected the military to be the organization that makes up for the ills of society where the trans folks are concerned. It that what I should take here?
 
Natebishop3 said:
There was a time when women were thought to be inferior to men. Now I work in an office surrounded by brilliant women.

I guess you never bought into "not judging a book by its cover," eh?
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You need not be a rude ass, just because you don't want to understand the question or don't want to answer. It sort of reminds me of banning PapaG.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I'd like to put the burden of proof on some military experts here to tell me exactly what it is about being trans that puts others in harms way. Because I'm seeing "oh it costs money" and "oh they're out of combat readiness for x weeks because of surgeries", but then it morphed into this "they'll get other soldiers killed"...

I want this explained to me.
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Okay, sense you put it to me, I will answer as honestly and bluntly as I can. Combat is tough enough. I do not want to trust my life to someone who is an emotional basket case. God bless you and provide you comfort if you have suffered with this.
 
MarAzul said:
So the Democrats have selected the military to be the organization that makes up for the ills of society where the trans folks are concerned. It that what I should take here?
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Not just the military! *turns flashlight on, puts it under chin*

It turns out government insurance in general will pay for transitions!

*makes spooky fingers*
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Okay, sense you put it to me, I will answer as honestly and bluntly as I can. Combat is tough enough. I do not want to trust my life to someone who is an emotional basket case. God bless you and provide you comfort if you have suffered with this.
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Explain to me how being trans makes one an emotional basket case.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Explain to me how being trans makes one an emotional basket case.
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Frankly, you are the perfect case in point. Nothing personal. Your emotional roller coaster that is displayed on this forum should be self evident. No need to even get into the other factors. I would not want to trust my life to you.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Is it assumed the soldiers are not breaking their end of the contract because they can't get a boner on Day 2 of service rather than Day 0?

Hypothetical: Should a trans soldier coming out after joining the service be similarly treated, if they didn't know they were trans before they joined?
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I have no clue what the first paragraph means.

For the hypothetical, I would assume so. That's why I said in an earlier post, that this isn't stopping trans people from joining, if they are able to lie about it without getting caught.

Most likely, the currently enlisted trans, will be allowed to stay in until their contract is up, then they will be honorably discharged.

Then they have the pleasure of dealing with the VA.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Not just the military! *turns flashlight on, puts it under chin*

It turns out government insurance in general will pay for transitions!

*makes spooky fingers*
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Oh yes! I forgot about that one. This is one of the reason I lost my insurance.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There was a time when women were thought to be inferior to men. Now I work in an office surrounded by brilliant women.

I guess you never bought into "not judging a book by its cover," eh?
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must be a pretty sweet marketing agency.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's actually BS.
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That's not BS.

The military is used in humanitarian efforts because there's no one else the government can use to do it.

There is no humanitarian mission for the military. The mission is war.

During the 1920's they had to use Marines to guard post offices and mail trucks.

That's not a mission of the Marine Corps though.
 
MarAzul said:
You need not be a rude ass, just because you don't want to understand the question or don't want to answer. It sort of reminds me of banning PapaG.
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Well, considering I didn't ban him at the end, I guess I find it funny that it reminds you of Sly.
 
If you want to be technical though, you could say that the mission of the military is to do whatever the president says.

You could also argue that war is a humanitarian effort.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Frankly, you are the perfect case in point. Nothing personal. Your emotional roller coaster that is displayed on this forum should be self evident. No need to even get into the other factors. I would not want to trust my life to you.
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DaLincolnJones said:
The why of it is something your Doctor can answer for you. I make my judgement upon your actions alone.
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It is foolish us to discuss these things Linc. They really have no clew what you are speaking about and don't give a shit about costs either.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Wait, I'm literally the only trans person you know?

Boy I'm sorry.
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BC, dude, I have nothing against you, and wish you nothing but the best. Here you go again. What is the relevance in how many trans people I know?

You asked a question that I believed to be in earnest. I gave you blunt but truthful answers. No harm, no foul. Not everyone is cut out to be in the military, which is my entire point.
 
MarAzul said:
It is foolish us to discuss these things Linc. The really have no clew what you are speaking about and don't give a shit about costs either.
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When you go to the VA, do you give a shit about how much it costs the VA to give you your treatment?
 
DaLincolnJones said:
BC, dude, I have nothing against you, and wish you nothing but the best. Here you go again. What is the relevance in how many trans people I know?

You asked a question that I believed to be in earnest. I gave you blunt but truthful answers. No harm, no foul. Not everyone is cut out to be in the military, which is my entire point.
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You said you were passing judgment on my actions alone. I thought you meant your opinion of trans peoples' mental fitness was based on my actions alone. Which would mean you're stereotyping all trans people based on one mook; I should have realized I misread.

I get that I'm not cut out for the military. But that's not because I'm trans.
 
How can you guys not understand that excluding someone based entirely on the fact that they possess one characteristic, such as being trans, and not based on other merits is wrong and goes against what this country is supposed to be about....

It's an old and archaic way of looking at people that you deem as inferior for a job.

Black people don't make good soldiers!

Women aren't as good as men in the work force!

At one point these were widely agreed upon concepts in this country, and your opinion of trans people seems to fall right into line with that same way of thinking.

You can't give an actual reason why trans people would make poor members of the armed forces. Just weird veiled comments about "well adjusted" and "desired aptitude" that smack of misunderstanding and distaste. Just because there are some trans people that wouldn't make good soldiers doesn't mean that ALL trans people wouldn't make good soldiers, and it should not be a disqualifier based on that alone.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
You said you were passing judgment on my actions alone. I thought you meant your opinion of trans peoples' mental fitness was based on my actions alone.
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Would you have me judge you on the actions of others?

Lets take this to a much broader spectrum. I do not want to be in the position of trusting my life to anyone that is not 100% in the game.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You can't give an actual reason why trans people would make poor members of the armed forces. Just weird veiled comments about "well adjusted" and "desired aptitude" that smack of misunderstanding and distaste. Just because there are some trans people that wouldn't make good soldiers doesn't mean that ALL trans people wouldn't make good soldiers, and it should not be a disqualifier based on that alone.
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I've never been victim of the "model minority" stereotype before (not by you; I mean others in this thread). It's a very weird feeling.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Would you have me judge you on the actions of others?

Lets take this to a much broader spectrum. I do not want to be in the position of trusting my life to anyone that is not 100% in the game.
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ARE YOU JUDGING TRANS PEOPLE BY MY ACTIONS ALONE?

Oops sorry I got all emotional.

But my question stands. I know you're judging me. Are you using me to say all trans people should not serve? Because I'd really recommend you don't.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How can you guys not understand that excluding someone based entirely on the fact that they possess one characteristic, such as being trans, and not based on other merits is wrong and goes against what this country is supposed to be about....

It's an old and archaic way of looking at people that you deem as inferior for a job.

Black people don't make good soldiers!

Women aren't as good as men in the work force!

At one point these were widely agreed upon concepts in this country, and your opinion of trans people seems to fall right into line with that same way of thinking.

You can't give an actual reason why trans people would make poor members of the armed forces. Just weird veiled comments about "well adjusted" and "desired aptitude" that smack of misunderstanding and distaste. Just because there are some trans people that wouldn't make good soldiers doesn't mean that ALL trans people wouldn't make good soldiers, and it should not be a disqualifier based on that alone.
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Jesus Christ lol.

Is this a joke?

Seriously, are you trolling right now?
 
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