TRob a Free Agent?

[Natebishop3]

It depends on how you define "playing well". Yeah, he got his points and rebounds. The problem is, he did so very inefficiently (high usage rate, very low shooting percentages) and, as usual gave up more than he produced (negative net production).

Given his consistent net negative production, he is really in no position to be making any salary demands. He'll be lucky to be on an NBA roster next season. He might get more money playing someplace like China where his athletic advantage may make up for the other glaring flaws in his game.

BNM

I imagine he still thinks he's a star caliber player and he wants to be payed like one.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Also, he may seem unintelligent but he plays smart on defense,

No, just no. He fails the eye test miserably on defense and the advanced stats show he's a sieve (he allows his opponent to score 24.0 points/48 minutes).

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/difference-making-free-agents-remain-unsigned/

Thomas Robinson (Power Forward)

Since being selected with the fifth overall pick of the 2012 NBA Draft, Thomas Robinson has already played for five different NBA teams. His impressive per-36-minute numbers show that Robinson can be effective given playing time and opportunities. Although the clock is ticking on his NBA career, we still feel that it’s a bit early to write him off as a difference-maker and believe, given the right situation, he can be a productive rotation player for any number of teams in the league.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I imagine he still thinks he's a star caliber player and he wants to be payed like one.

Then he needs to wake up. Star players don't get dumped by SAC, DEN, PHI and BRK. Yeah, those are some fucked up teams, especially SAC and BRK, but they are the teams that are more likely to draft or overpay a guy like TRob and even they see his flaws and gave up on him.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/difference-making-free-agents-remain-unsigned/

Thomas Robinson (Power Forward)

Since being selected with the fifth overall pick of the 2012 NBA Draft, Thomas Robinson has already played for five different NBA teams. His impressive per-36-minute numbers show that Robinson can be effective given playing time and opportunities. Although the clock is ticking on his NBA career, we still feel that it’s a bit early to write him off as a difference-maker and believe, given the right situation, he can be a productive rotation player for any number of teams in the league.

Meh. East coast tabloid article.

He is reviewing ALL FA's. I doubt he has the inside knowledge on all of them. Ill trust the stats and my eye test when I watched him up close and personal.

Nothing there for him and the NBA. Overseas he will be within 1-3.

 

[Blazer4ever]

How can you still think this after I posted his stats for you compared to Davis? Are you blind to reality?

Losing Cred, IMO...

Your stats show TRob to have more points and rebounds per minute than Davis

 

[Boob-No-More]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/difference-making-free-agents-remain-unsigned/

Thomas Robinson (Power Forward)

Since being selected with the fifth overall pick of the 2012 NBA Draft, Thomas Robinson has already played for five different NBA teams. His impressive per-36-minute numbers show that Robinson can be effective given playing time and opportunities. Although the clock is ticking on his NBA career, we still feel that it’s a bit early to write him off as a difference-maker and believe, given the right situation, he can be a productive rotation player for any number of teams in the league.

They need to also look as his opponents per 36 numbers. They are even more "impressive". He scores 12 points/36, but gives up 18 points/36 (according to 82games.com). He shoots .447 from the field and .431 from the line. Those numbers are absolutely terrible. And, his usage rate is almost 20%. He's such a terrible shooter, his USG% should be much lower. He hurts his team on both ends of the floor.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Then he needs to wake up. Star players don't get dumped by SAC, DEN, PHI and BRK. Yeah, those are some fucked up teams, especially SAC and BRK, but they are the teams that are more likely to draft or overpay a guy like TRob and even they see his flaws and gave up on him.

BNM

You list those teams but keep forgetting about us. No we didn't release him, but we traded him in part of a trade where he was the worst of three players and we also obviously felt he was expendable/not a realistic piece to the future..

 

[Orion Bailey]

Your stats show TRob to have more points and rebounds per minute than Davis

Yes, all though very marginal. I love how you missed the part where I TOLD YOU WHAT YOU WERE MISSING........

Read posts completely do we?

To be clear. I was stating they are basically the same with the stats you say he is better at. At a per 36, they are still very close. But TO's man. How can you just ignore that?

Not taking you seriously yet.....

 

[KeepOnRollin]

It is a little ironic that TRob's best comp in the NBA just might be Hickson. Two former Trail Blazers.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Ed Davis is a nice player but he only gets garbage points - the reason his %s are better. TRob is a much better offensive player

 

[Blazer4ever]

It is a little ironic that TRob's best comp in the NBA just might be Hickson. Two former Trail Blazers.

Hickson doesn't elevate nearly as much as TRob. TRob is Hickson with jumping ability

 

[Boob-No-More]

Your stats show TRob to have more points and rebounds per minute than Davis

TRob: 12.1 points/36 on .453 TS% and 19.3 USG%
Ed Davis: 11.2 points/36 on .616 TS% and 12.7 USG%

TRob attempts 15.9 FGA (and only makes 7.1 of them) and commits 3.8 TOVs per 100 possessions.
Ed Davis attempts 10.0 FGA (and makes 6.1) of them and commits 1.9 TOVs per 100 possessions.

Ed knows his strengths and weaknesses. TRob doesn't. With TRob, you get twice as many TOVs and more that twice as many missed shots per 100 possessions. That's why Ed Davis has an ORtg of 128 and TRob has an ORtg of 94. That's a HUGE difference. TRob is an inefficient chucker who turns the ball over way too much. Ed Davis is an efficient scorer who knows his limits and doesn't try to do more than he's capable of doing. TRob hurts his team (net negative production). Ed Davis helps his (net positive production).

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

It is a little ironic that TRob's best comp in the NBA just might be Hickson. Two former Trail Blazers.

And where is Hickson Now? hmmm 35 total games last year between two teams...on his way out?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ed Davis is a nice player but he only gets garbage points - the reason his %s are better. TRob is a much better offensive player

Seriously?????????

Ed Davis = 128 ORtg
TRob = 94 Ortg

Ed Davis plays a bigger, more important role. He doesn't get "garbage" points. He's simply smart enough not to take shots he has no business taking. TRob is an unconscionable chucker. .447 FG% for a PF is garbage.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ed Davis is a nice player but he only gets garbage points - the reason his %s are better. TRob is a much better offensive player

Dude you have got to be kidding me. Seriously.

TRob: 12.1 points/36 on .453 TS% and 19.3 USG%
Ed Davis: 11.2 points/36 on .616 TS% and 12.7 USG%

TRob attempts 15.9 FGA (and only makes 7.1 of them) and commits 3.8 TOVs per 100 possessions.
Ed Davis attempts 10.0 FGA (and makes 6.1) of them and commits 1.9 TOVs per 100 possessions.

Ed knows his strengths and weaknesses. TRob doesn't. With TRob, you get twice as many TOVs and more that twice as many missed shots per 100 possessions. That's why Ed Davis has an ORtg of 128 and TRob has an ORtg of 94. That's a HUGE difference. TRob is an inefficient chucker who turns the ball over way too much. Ed Davis is an efficient scorer who knows his limits and doesn't try to do more than he's capable of doing. TRob hurts his team (net negative production). Ed Davis helps his (net positive production).

BNM

I don't get how some people can be so set in their viewpoints with such glaringly obvious facts stacked up against them.....

Keep fighting the good fight BNM!

 

[Denny Crane]

Meh. East coast tabloid article.

He is reviewing ALL FA's. I doubt he has the inside knowledge on all of them. Ill trust the stats and my eye test when I watched him up close and personal.

Nothing there for him and the NBA. Overseas he will be within 1-3.

I don't know about anything you wrote.

Basketball Insiders is a legitimate NBA site.

There are several teams that expressed interest in signing him. I listed a few in an earlier post this morning. Add the Pistons to that list.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I went to school with a girl who pretended to be rich. Her parents would drop her off at school in a Chevette. Nobody argued with her when she told her stories.

Same thing here, just let it go.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hickson doesn't elevate nearly as much as TRob. TRob is Hickson with jumping ability

You say that like it's a good thing...

Big deal, he can jump. He doesn't translate his athletic ability into positive production. He looks good on SportsCenter once or twice a year, but the rest of the time he jacking up bad shots, committing unforced TOVs and losing his man on defense.

Again look at the numbers I've posted. They clearly show he's a turnover prone, inefficient chucker that gives up way more points than he produces. Hickson is better, and he sucks.

BNM

 

[0-Our!]

Opposite of Stephen Hawking. The body works great, the brain not so much.

I'm gonna start calling T-Rob... "Bizzaro Hawking " from now on!

 

[0-Our!]

I thought he is a free agent and didn't hear he signed with anyone.
Bring him back, yes or no?

NO, plain & simple. T-Rob the man/teammate (chemistry-wise) IS awesome! T-Rob the basketball player... well... He CAN rebound & has great energy, heart, & is a physical specimen BUT... he's an exceptional athlete, not a basketball player. Others have stated very clearly the facts as to why T-Rob shouldn't be brought back/why he's just not that good.

I'm actually STILL a fan of the man/T-Rob & will cont. to be regardless of what happens w/ him w/ respects to basketball. I hope that he'll be able to consistently figure out how to play the game/make a place for himself in NBA so that he gets paid/has a long career in the league but... unfortunately, most likely, he's a superior athlete/good guy & nothing more.

 

[Blazer4ever]

He takes more shots and misses more shots because he's much more of a go-to player on offense, Davis is more opportunistic, getting tip-ins and easy baskets.
I wouldn't mind it if we had both. Don't know what's the market for TRob but my idea was that we would sign him as a FA, not trade Davis for him

 

[Boob-No-More]

He takes more shots and misses more shots because he's much more of a go-to player on offense, Davis is more opportunistic, getting tip-ins and easy baskets.
I wouldn't mind it if we had both. Don't know what's the market for TRob but my idea was that we would sign him as a FA, not trade Davis for him

Close: He takes more shots and misses more shots because he thinks he's much more of a go-to player on offense...

He's not a go to player. He has no jump shot, but that doesn't keep him for hoisting up ill advised jumpers and shoots .431 from the line.

He makes 1 more shot per 100 possessions than Ed Davis, but it takes him almost 6 more shots to make that 1.

Here's TRob's shooting percentages beyond 3 feet from the basket:

3 - 10 feet .230
10 - 16 feet .189
16 feet - the 3-point line .238

Does that sound like a go to guy to you?

Seriously, if it isn't a dunk, TRob has no business shooting the ball. The problem is, for every dunk he makes, he takes 8 jumps shots.

BNM

 

[Blazer4ever]

But what are his numbers within 3 feet?

 

[Natebishop3]

Blazers4ever would have the best lineup ever if he was a GM.

 

[Boob-No-More]

But what are his numbers within 3 feet?

.603 - still not very impressive, considering 32 of his made shots were dunks.

For comparison, here's how Ed Davis compares:

TRob:
0-3 feet .603
3 - 10 feet .230
10 - 16 feet .189
16 feet - the 3-point line .238

Ed Davis:
0-3 feet .659
3 - 10 feet .459
10 - 16 feet .500
16 feet - the 3-point line NA (becuase Ed Davis is smart enough to know he has no business shooting the ball more than 16 feet from the basket).

Seriously, take off your fan boy glasses and look at the numbers. There is a reason his ORtg is 94 and Ed Davis' is 128. TRob is a horrible, horrible offensive player. Every single stat backs that up. He shoots .447 from the field and .431 from the line. His TS% of .453 is ridiculously bad for any player, especially a big man.

If he was on our current roster, these are the players he'd be competing against for minutes:

Ed Davis: TS% = .616, ORtg = 128
Mason Plumlee TS% = .564, ORtg = 112
Festus Ezili TS% = .559, ORtg = 114
Meyers Leonard TS% = .561, ORtg = 107
Al-Farouq Aminu TS% = .533, ORtg = 105
Noah Vonleh, TS% = .471, ORtg = 98
Thomas Robinson, TS% = .453, ORtG = 94

TRob is clearly the worst offensive player of the bunch, even worse than Noah Vonleh.

On defense, here's their opponent's scoring per 48:

Ed Davis: Opponent Scoring = 19.1 pts/48
Mason Plumlee: Opponent Scoring = 23.8 pts/48
Festus Ezili: Opponent Scoring = 20.9 pts/48
Meyers Leonard: Opponent Scoring = 19.5 pts/48
Al-Farouq Aminu: Opponent Scoring = 16.7 pts/48
Noah Vonleh: Opponent Scoring = 17.7 pts/48
Thomas Robinson: Opponent Scoring = 24.0 pts/48

Once again, TRob comes in dead last. He would be our worst offensive big man AND our worst defensive big man. Why waste a roster spot on a guy who would be worse at both ends of the court than the SIX other big men we already have on guaranteed contracts? We already have a logjam in a our front court without enough minutes to go around. Adding yet another big man, who is worse than the six we already have, would just make the situation worse.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

To be fair, by opponents Points Per 48, TRob looks only a shade less effective than our starting center.

 

[Boob-No-More]

To be fair, by opponents Points Per 48, TRob looks only a shade less effective than our starting center.

Yep, but he still comes in dead last - worse than the 6 guys we already have under guaranteed contract, and he's guarding opposing back up power forwards, not opposing starting centers, like Plumlee.

He's also the worse, by far on offense. He has the lowest TS% AND the highest USG%. That's the trademark of someone who has monumentally bad shot selection (which for TRob is any shot, including a FT, that is not a dunk).

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep, but he still comes in dead last - worse than the 6 guys we already have under guaranteed contract, and he's guarding opposing back up power forwards, not opposing starting centers, like Plumlee.

He's also the worse, by far on offense. He has the lowest TS% AND the highest USG%. That's the trademark of someone who has monumentally bad shot selection (which for TRob is any shot, including a FT, that is not a dunk).

BNM

I didn't say anything about his offense. I said he'd be an end of the bench player for us, that Ed Davis is the player I'd prefer to see us play, and that given enough minutes, TRob would likely put up a double double. And that there are several teams interested in him.

Aside from Plums, TRob's defense stats are way worse than our other guys. I'm guessing he played in garbage time, which looks a lot like D League or SL.

If we did sign him, it'd be at the expense of Montero. That's my guess. Is he worth it? Probably not. But if Neil wants him, I understand why and would be fine with it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't know about anything you wrote.

Basketball Insiders is a legitimate NBA site.

There are several teams that expressed interest in signing him. I listed a few in an earlier post this morning. Add the Pistons to that list.

and if/when they sign him, they will have made a mistake...unless its for the min.

This ones getting boring with this one because EVERYTHING but a few personal opinions points to TRob just not being a legit role player for a contending team. The stats, the eye test, everything else screams Athlete. Not NBA player.

He takes more shots and misses more shots because he's much more of a go-to player on offense, Davis is more opportunistic, getting tip-ins and easy baskets.
I wouldn't mind it if we had both. Don't know what's the market for TRob but my idea was that we would sign him as a FA, not trade Davis for him

There you go. You said it right there. Why wold we want a less opportunistic guy vs a more opportunistic? Opportunistic screams efficiency to me. And again. The numbers back that up.

This is not even a debate. I am sorry. If we had the bench of two years ago, it might be worthy of consideration, but Trob is not better than anyone on our team. At all. Period.
Lick a stamp and send this one off.....