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Mocking it as a "religion of peace" by christians is ignorant and intolerant.

In spite of the violent acts here in the USA, the damage (aside from 9/11) don't compare to what white mostly christian people do (tens of thousands of violent crimes and murders a year).

I wasn't mocking it, and I'm pretty sure that most Christians don't do that either. I was simply looking for some information on the question you posed. Your second paragraph is a total non sequitur.
 
I wasn't mocking it, and I'm pretty sure that most Christians don't do that either. I was simply looking for some information on the question you posed. Your second paragraph is a total non sequitur.

I see christians mock Islam as a religion of peace all the time. It's been done in this thread, even.

The second paragraph is extremely important information to consider. Some are suggesting Muslims are somehow more violent than anyone else. They're clearly not.
 
Native Americans call for ban on Christians entering the US

Native Americans have controversially called for a complete ban on Christians of any denomination entering the US until representatives can ‘figure out what the hell is going on.’

“Seriously, you guys have screwed this place up,” said Chief Simon with Williams

“Two world wars, I don’t know how many ‘minor conflicts,’ mass-shootings, Adam Sandler, toy dogs, the Star Wars prequels. Ryan Adams covering Taylor Swift, McDonalds; I mean, all this is bad enough but now you unleash Donald Trump on us?”

“I’m sorry, it’s extreme but we have to say enough is enough.”

http://newsthump.com/2015/12/09/native-americans-call-for-ban-on-christians-entering-the-us/
 
I see christians mock Islam as a religion of peace all the time. It's been done in this thread, even.

The second paragraph is extremely important information to consider. Some are suggesting Muslims are somehow more violent than anyone else. They're clearly not.

Both of those statements are likely true, but had nothing to do with what I was posting about. From what I have read, it looks to me like Indonesia is a pretty good overall microcosm of what the case is with Islam at large. By far the majority of Muslims there are peaceful and tolerant towards those of different religions. That said, there is a small portion of the population that espouses the radical view of Islam and that is intolerant and, at times, violent towards non-Muslims. The problem for the world is that the small minority is intent on using violence to promote greater intolerance between religions so that there will be the jihad that they believe will result in the ultimate triumph of their cause.
 
Both of those statements are likely true, but had nothing to do with what I was posting about. From what I have read, it looks to me like Indonesia is a pretty good overall microcosm of what the case is with Islam at large. By far the majority of Muslims there are peaceful and tolerant towards those of different religions. That said, there is a small portion of the population that espouses the radical view of Islam and that is intolerant and, at times, violent towards non-Muslims. The problem for the world is that the small minority is intent on using violence to promote greater intolerance between religions so that there will be the jihad that they believe will result in the ultimate triumph of their cause.

There is a portion of the christian population that spews hate. Would you tar the rest of the christians with the same brush as westboro baptist church? Goose, gander.

I don't believe the violence in the middle east is predicated on religion much at all. Like I said, it's secular and ethnic. ISIS wouldn't be around if Obama didn't surrender in Iraq and give the Shi'ia leadership a wink and a nod to crack down on Sunnis. Those Sunnis joined with ISIS to regain their power because there was no other viable alternative. Those same Sunnis joined with the US led coalition during the surge to fight ISIS.

The act of Muslims bombing Muslim mosques is about terrorizing the civilians into submission, not about using those mosques for religious purposes (e.g. houses of worship).
 
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A Texas town stands divided, after armed men in camouflage menace worshipers at a local mosque

Anti-Islamic sentiment is on bold display in Irving, Texas.

So is support for freedom of religion.

Protesters dressed in camouflage and armed with loaded rifles have been demonstrating in front of the city's largest mosque. Others are coming out to back the Muslims who practice their faith at the Islamic Center of Irving.

Avi Selk, a staff writer for The Dallas Morning News, says the dueling protests have polarized what was a "fairly normal suburb."

"They were arguing about things like whether to build a concert hall, but were suddenly transformed into a sort of stage where people are holding rallies and making public statements, a stage for people from outside the city to come and kind of act out their parts in this controversy over Islam," Selk says.

The city is a cosmopolitan Dallas suburb. One third of its residents are foreign born.

Selk says the mosque attracts some first-generation immigrants, and the vast majority of the Muslims he's met there are professionals.

"They're generally techies. They're Microsoft employees, they're very very well educated," he says. "One of the first Irving, Muslim grassroots activists I met had worked on the particle super-accelerator that they were building in Texas."

Selk says the armed protesters aren't Irving residents.

"They're all from cities in the general area," he says. "Some of them are convinced that there's going to be, you know, a violent confrontation with American Muslims. If you've seen images from that protest, you'll see a man with a long-barrelled gun and camo gear walking down the sidewalk behind a woman in a headdress on her way to worship."

Last week, a group associated with the Ku Klux Klan, the Texas Rebel Knights, announced they also want to demonstrate at the Irving mosque.

That's concerned many residents, who seem to just want the controversy to go away.

"There's a lot of people who have affection for their city, and they don't like to see it in all these international news stories labeled by some as the hotbed of Islamaphobia," Selk says.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-...-armed-men-camouflage-menace-worshipers-local
 
There is a portion of the christian population that spews hate. Would you tar the rest of the christians with the same brush as westboro baptist church? Goose, gander.

I don't believe the violence in the middle east is predicated on religion much at all. Like I said, it's secular and ethnic. ISIS wouldn't be around if Obama didn't surrender in Iraq and give the Shi'ia leadership a wink and a nod to crack down on Sunnis. Those Sunnis joined with ISIS to regain their power because there was no other viable alternative. Those same Sunnis joined with the US led coalition during the surge to fight ISIS.

The act of Muslims bombing Muslim mosques is about terrorizing the civilians into submission, not about using those mosques for religious purposes (e.g. houses of worship).

Sometimes I think reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, or maybe you just enjoy twisting every discussion into the argument you want to have. You asked what country had the largest population of Muslims and whether it is peaceful. I answered Indonesia and mostly peaceful except for one prince devoted to the extremist view of Islam. You have somehow twisted that into a "yeah, but Christians are bad too" thing. I'd be happy to discuss that with you sometime, but right now I'm sitting on a beach in Maui and it's time to go snorkeling.
 
Sometimes I think reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, or maybe you just enjoy twisting every discussion into the argument you want to have. You asked what country had the largest population of Muslims and whether it is peaceful. I answered Indonesia and mostly peaceful except for one prince devoted to the extremist view of Islam. You have somehow twisted that into a "yeah, but Christians are bad too" thing. I'd be happy to discuss that with you sometime, but right now I'm sitting on a beach in Maui and it's time to go snorkeling.

You need to put "a small portion of the population" into context with the rest of the world. People are mostly peaceful no matter their religion (or no religion). Some portion are violent, no matter their religion (or no religion).

Is Indonesia more or less violent than the USA? We're the ones contemplating keeping Muslims (many are Indonesian) out for fear of violence. So it does matter.
 
You need to put "a small portion of the population" into context with the rest of the world. People are mostly peaceful no matter their religion (or no religion). Some portion are violent, no matter their religion (or no religion).

Is Indonesia more or less violent than the USA? We're the ones contemplating keeping Muslims (many are Indonesian) out for fear of violence. So it does matter.

A. No, overall I don't see anything that says Indonesians areore violent than Americans.

B. Insofar as I can tell, it's only Trump and his minions calling for a ban on Muslims entering the country. Trump is an imbecile and what he proposes is unconstitutional so it rwally doesn't matter.
 
Would you tar the rest of the christians with the same brush as westboro baptist church?

I don't believe the violence in the middle east is predicated on religion much at all.

Denny much of what you post is true. But trying to find some moral equivalence between what Christians and the Islamic Jihads do, is a worthless exorcizer in attempting to be fair minded or above it all. The teachings of Mohammed in the Quran and the teachings of Jesus in the Bible are not and never were intended to be morally equivalent.

I say this as a student of religion, not a Christian or the follower of any other religion. I find the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, and Krishna all to be a positive aid to men in leading their lives.
Mohammed on the other hand does not seem positive to me because of the intolerance he teaches toward others, myself, an Infidel especially.

I think of myself, probably as a Pantheist which is probably stronger on the believing in a Creator than an agnostic, but not a personal deity that watches over me, you or anyone else.
So while I can accept the teachings of Jesus as good, it does not make me a Christian, I can not meet the test and say I believe Jesus is God. Nor Buddha, nor Kishna, and certainly not Mohammad.

So I would not defend any Christian for doing violent acts like, bombing abortion clinics and I did not think Jesus would either. His teachings, guide people to in the opposite direction,
"Vengeance is mine sayest the lord; Judge not...". All Good advice the bomber failed to read.

Obama says ISIS is not Islam! Well, they say they are Islam. They have declared Jihad on the people of America. All statements are facts. Probably the only one that is questionable
is Obama's assertion that they are not Islam! Only a Muslim can determine what is Islam or not. But the US President should not even try, he is violating the first amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...". While Congress is prohibited from weighing in on a Religion directly, the US President, would certainly be infringing on the free exercise thereof by weighing in. His saying what is the True Islam can only come from the Muslims and Obama assures us he is not a Muslim.

When a person is trying to sort out where the source of a problem is, one should not ignore clues.
Clues:

Christians do not have the concept of Jihad in the teaching of Jesus.
Muslim have the concept of Jihad authorized in the teachings of Mohammad
Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna did not teach anything equivalent to Jihad or the intolerance represented in the concept of Infidels.
All Muslims are authorized under the Religion of Isam and encouraged to join in Jihad and become a defender of Islam.

I see Trump as a man that is paying attention to the clues. Calling of the suspension of immigration of Muslims into this country is prudent. Probably until the Muslims sort out, what is the true Islam?
Under current immigration law, the President can suspend any group right now. Congress has already authorized this action and they are authorized under the Constitution to control immigration,
period. Nothing says they must be fair or blind to religion in controlling immigration. A prudent President would have already issued the order, we have enough Muslims now and we have no idea who will or will not follow the call to Jihad.

Did this fellow?

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An American Muslim, cut off the head of a woman in Oklahoma. Very Jihad style, Take the Infidel in the right hand, cut though the veins of the neck, only the Infidel will care!
Did Jihad just provide and excuse? I don't think it matters, I doubt he will be the last.
 
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Trump may win!!! There are those who don't know any better. There is a theory that he will drop out so as to enhance Clintons vote block . However, I think his ego is too far in the stratosphere to drop out. Every redneck wants him. I heard he has a strong college student base too.
 
70,000 clerics issue fatwa!

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-Muslims-support-it/articleshow/50100656.cms
 
70,000 clerics issue fatwa!

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-Muslims-support-it/articleshow/50100656.cms

I don't suppose even one of them said, Love to MarAzul!
 
I don't suppose even one of them said, Love to MarAzul!

On the last day of Urs-e-Razvi of Dargah Aala Hazrat, nearly 70,000 clerics came together and passed a fatwa against terrorist organizations, including IS, Taliban, al-Qaida and MarAzul of Bandon, Oregon.

Nope, no love for you.
 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-Muslims-support-it/articleshow/50100656.cms
WoW, that's pretty awesome!
 
He's active on twitter. I guess he has just gone full Trump fanboy and has things to attend to. No time for us anymore. I guess people grow apart.

I suspect he now sees us as infidels and is preparing Jihad.

barfo
 
Well, that one armed citizen was not shopping at the local A&P when he foiled the attack. He was working security at an event designed to draw attacks from Muslims.

barfo
Then call it a proof of concept.
 
Then call it a proof of concept.

Sure, if everyone is armed and on high alert constantly for terrorist attacks, then I guess that's proof of concept.

How many accidental shootings will that cause? Definitely vastly more than the number that would be caused by terrorists (since the number of accidental shootings is already greater than the number of terrorist caused deaths, even without arming everyone).

How much time/energy will everyone waste being on constant alert? How much does the GDP go down if workers are worried about who to shoot rather than what to work on next?

It might be proof of concept. I don't like the concept.

barfo
 

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