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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Wait did you really say Sly or did he edit it already?
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1. I did edit it.

2. He never had any respect for me.

3. I thought it would be obvious that I edited the post when I left this part, "Why people even like that dude, beats me." People don't really like me.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
1. I did edit it.

2. He never had any respect for me.

3. I thought it would be obvious that I edited the post when I left this part, "Why people even like that dude, beats me." People don't really like me.
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You're fake news sir
 
Denny Crane said:
Tillerson rocks. Much better than I expected.

Mattis is as good a Secy of Defense as everyone expected.

Mnuchin is doing just fine at Treasury.

Wilbur Ross is doing great at Commerce.

I can name some surprisingly good cabinet members as well. Rick Perry and Ben Carson.

But that doesn't fit the narrative.
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Explain what they are doing that pleases you so.
 
MickZagger said:
Explain what they are doing that pleases you so.
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Tillerson represents us well. Have you seen him speak? He's knowledgable about foreign affairs, and he simply represents us well.

Mattis has been given free reign to run military operations. ISIS is basically toast already.

The media wing of the democrat party is trying to make a big deal about Trump's budget only yielding $3.3T in deficit reduction because CBO assumes 1.9% GDP growth instead of something closer to the 3% that is normal. That's on Mnuchin and others in his cabinet. They've also passed and signed budget resolutions in congress, in spite of the narrative that nothing's getting done.

Ross is leading initiatives to make our trade pacts more fair. I think you can also look at foreign investment in the US, like iPhone manufacturing plants to be built here, as his accomplishments.

Rick Perry comes across as a buffoon. Yet he seems to be really good at actual governing. He's been pushing for "energy dominance" by the US. He's cut deals to export energy to Ukraine and other nations. He's been pretty solid about backing clean coal, nuclear, and other clean energy initiatives. XL Pipeline won't hurt, either.

Carson is revising HUD regulations that direct money to rich cities like San Francisco so the cities that can better use the federal grant money get more.

Specifics.

To say Trump has made no good hires or that he has no good cabinet members is simply wrong.
 
Blazer Freak said:
MarAzul though...is just someone I can't respect
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>>> Golly I am sorry!!!

Blazer Freak said:
I gather he got fucked by Obamacare
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>>> Yep. Waiting for the government to decide if they want to hold up their end right now. Not a good place to be.

Blazer Freak said:
a little compassion for other people
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Actually my sorry above ain't going to help you. The government isn't a good bet either. Right now they are focused on eliminating discrimination by insurance companies.
The end result will be; a product that most consumers can not afford, does not produce a profit for the insurance company, and does not provide you healthcare.

I am quite sure the politicians are focused on what they think is fair, instead of healthcare. My god! that is dumb!!

One question for you or anybody else. If you want to have the government get you health care, why do they need to care what and insurance company sells to anyone?

Several major corporations reimburse their employees for healthcare, with no insurance companies involved. Many more did so in the past, but now use them to manage the process not assume the risk. So they don't really need an insurance company, why does the Government?

Most self insured corporation cover their employees at a cost of about 50 - 60 percent of the cost of buying insurance. So what the fuck is the Government forcing many to buy insurance?
You all express hate of insurance companies, then why the hell do you support the government forcing you to buy the shit?

It doesn't make sense!

Add one more demerit to the MarAzul tally.
 
MarAzul said:
One question for you or anybody else. If you want to have the government get you health care, why do they need to care what and insurance company sells to anyone?

Several major corporations reimburse their employees for healthcare, with no insurance companies involved. Many more did so in the past, but now use them to manage the process not assume the risk. So they don't really need an insurance company, why does the Government?

Most self insured corporation cover their employees at a cost of about 50 - 60 percent of the cost of buying insurance. So what the fuck is the Government forcing many to buy insurance?
You all express hate of insurance companies, then why the hell do you support the government forcing you to buy the shit?

It doesn't make sense!

Add one more demerit to the MarAzul tally.
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You are correct of course. Single payer IS the way to go.

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
You all express hate of insurance companies, then why the hell do you support the government forcing you to buy the shit?
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Most liberals would prefer to take insurance companies out of the picture altogether and just have government pay health expenses directly. While the right has made "Obamacare" the preeminent cause to attack, this health care plan is actually the conservative plan, circa 1993. It's what the Republican Congress countered "Clintoncare" with and it came directly out of a right-wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation. That's why Mitt Romney took it and implemented it in Massachusetts--because, at the time, it was considered a right-wing, market-based solution. He never dreamed that it would eventually be used as an example of how left-wing he was.

Obamacare, when it was implemented, was basically a partial step towards what liberals actually wanted, not the end point. Starting the process towards persuading the American people that access to health care is an necessary thing for government to assure everyone was important, even if the bill that was passed was imperfect. So that's why Democrats and liberals tend to support it, while not necessarily liking insurance companies.
 
Minstrel said:
Most liberals would prefer to take insurance companies out of the picture altogether and just have government pay health expenses directly. While the right has made "Obamacare" the preeminent cause to attack, this health care plan is actually the conservative plan, circa 1993. It's what the Republican Congress countered "Clintoncare" with and it came directly out of a right-wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation. That's why Mitt Romney took it and implemented it in Massachusetts--because, at the time, it was considered a right-wing, market-based solution. He never dreamed that it would eventually be used as an example of how left-wing he was.

Obamacare, when it was implemented, was basically a partial step towards what liberals actually wanted, not the end point. Starting the process towards persuading the American people that access to health care is an necessary thing for government to assure everyone was important, even if the bill that was passed was imperfect. So that's why Democrats and liberals tend to support it, while not necessarily liking insurance companies.
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You are all in time with the step, following the piper with his merry tune.
 
MarAzul said:
You are all in time with the step, following the piper with his merry tune.
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On the path to eventual single-payer, yes. It's a good dance to be a part of.
 
1. Everyone should be responsible for personally paying health care bills and probably finding your provider. If you get help some where, great.
2 The system of Employers tax free reimbursement for health care expenses is a good system.
3 Providers should not be involved with getting paid by anyone other than the patient, no cost shifting to deep pockets like insurance companies and self insured corporations.
4. Small companies should be enabled to join together Nationwide to become self insured to reduce the average cost of their provide healthcare expense reimbursement.
5. Leave the Insurance companies free to market what they will, to those that can and will buy the product they offer.
6. The Military takes care of it's people as they do, hopefully as it is suppose to work by current law.
7. Either the Federal Government or the States, perhaps both, should offer Government insurance to people that do not qualify or cannot participate in the above six possibilities.
One or more Government pools that people can buy coverage through for the Government defined coverage. An insurance company like Blue Cross could manage this for any given state or the federal government. People can leave this program at the end of any period they have paid. They should be free to join at the first of the year or went status in one of the above six is terminated.
The coverage in this pool would probably be minimal to keep the costs within reason and encourage migration to the above six.

8. Protection from home confiscation such as the homestead protection laws should be returned.
9.HSA and Catastrophic insurance would be better choice for many people than medical insurance. Should be in the above options.
 
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If I'm a doctor under single payer, I want to get paid over and over again. For procedures needed or not.

Or I'd quit and become a lawyer so I could make the same money as I did before.
 
Denny Crane said:
If I'm a doctor under single payer, I want to get paid over and over again. For procedures needed or not.
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I think that says more about you than about single payer.

Or I'd quit and become a lawyer so I could make the same money as I did before.
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And it would be a better fit.

It's not clear to me why doctors (other than you) would be more inclined to cheat the government than they currently are to cheat the insurance companies?

barfo
 
barfo said:
I think that says more about you than about single payer.



And it would be a better fit.

It's not clear to me why doctors (other than you) would be more inclined to cheat the government than they currently are to cheat the insurance companies?

barfo
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Are you serious? The insurance companies make the doctors jump through hoops to get paid for anything. Who's gonna be keeping track of every doctor in the country ordering only procedures that are necessary?

Yeah, I'm sure nobody will do anything shady.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Are you serious? The insurance companies make the doctors jump through hoops to get paid for anything.
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Good news, no one is better than the government for making people jump through hoops to get things done. That's generally what people hate about the government, but it'll be a feature in this case.
 
Minstrel said:
Good news, no one is better than the government for making people jump through hoops to get things done. That's generally what people hate about the government, but it'll be a feature in this case.
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That will be a disaster. I've had different plans at work over the years. The jump through hoops shit just makes people say fuck it and ignore their health issues.

Knee hurts?

Go see your primary care doctor, get your blood pressure checked and he'll put in for a referral. Maybe take an xray if you're lucky.

After what they've done to make the system we had worse single payer may look good.

To me it is more like everyone skipped high school and college and we all get our GED.

Single payer isn't as good as what I used to get through work. I had my gall bladder removed in 2009, never had to pay much. It was so small an amount I don't remember what it was.

I'd be curious to see what I would pay now and I pay for the best plan my company offers.
 
MarAzul said:
I don't need a smirk for snark. Straight mouth, steady stare.
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You watch yourself in the mirror while posting?

Kinky.

barfo
 
It's confusing. Actually ...It's boring. I would rather have The Blazers make a common sense trade deal. That's exciting!
 
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