Politics Trump Invited Vladimir Putin to the White House, Says Kremlin

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CupWizier said:
Wow, and where is your proof that Russia had nothing to do with the 2016 election? There has been ample evidence brought forward to show that Russia did interfere. Quick watching Fox News and listening to Trump as he is a serial liar. (and there is plenty of evidence to that as well)
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Any interference that Russia may have had was inconsequential. But I'm sure you know that.
 
This is one of those threads that make me wonder why I even bother to read this site.

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Cippy91 said:
Breitbart claimed it was all Hillary who signed off on this deal all by herself when in reality it was her and a group of people. She denies it but lets be real. So because of this one thing, you think I believe facts don't matter where here I am straightening it. I believe she signed off on it along with the others, if she didn't it still doesn't derail the conversation because that's not even what it was about. I just had told you everything about wikileaks yet you pick out something I had briefly mentioned prior to that and now you shut it all down. I mean fine, okay if that's what you want to do.
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I’m not willing to rehash the U 1 thing that’s been very well disproven. Especially when that’s not even part of this topic. You made a claim that collusion and Russian interference is the same thing and that’s just silly. One had been proven and the other hasn’t (yet). But that’s the starting point for the conversation. I’m not going all the way down the mountain before finishing the summit.
 
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I’m not willing to rehash the U 1 thing that’s been very well disproven. Especially when that’s not even part of this topic. You made a claim that collusion and Russian interference is the same thing and that’s just silly. One had been proven and the other hasn’t (yet). But that’s the starting point for the conversation. I’m not going all the way down the mountain before finishing the summit.
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It's not silly considering the narrative in the united states is that Russia interfered with the election meaning there would be some type of collusion with Trump. They go hand and hand
 
Cippy91 said:
It's not silly considering the narrative in the united states is that Russia interfered with the election meaning there would be some type of collusion with Trump. They go hand and hand
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I give up
 
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There are a couple major differences between the NK and Russian situations.

Russia just attempted assasination in the country of our greatest ally. Our duty is to stand with our ally’s who have just expressed the wish to punish not praise Russia.
NK on the other hand is threatening two very tight ally’s Japan and South Korea who both supported increased peace talks and American help in the situation.

So in one case we are working against our ally’s and in the other we are working with them.

The second major difference is that we did not invite Kim Jong Un to the Whitehorse, we are entering talks but not in the symbol of American freedom.

A third difference is that NK is a bad actor with their nuclear program but has not actually attacked America. Putin and Russia just attacked the 16 election and the heart of American democracy.



These issues don’t have to do with collusion, you are conflating two issues. Regardless of the Trump team, Russia did interfere with our election. To invite him to the Whitehouse is to basically say that wasn’t important.


I doubt the NK talks will be productive but I am not morally opposed to them. Inviting Putin to the Whitehouse on the other hand is despicable.
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We owe nothing to Britain, and they are not our greatest ally anymore than Japan or Germany are.

They are formerly crushed enemies who now owe their very survival to us, but still actively attempt to overthrow us.
 
Cippy91 said:
It's not silly considering the narrative in the united states is that Russia interfered with the election meaning there would be some type of collusion with Trump. They go hand and hand
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Actually they don't cippy. Plus there are things like obstruction of justice, money laundering as well as the collusion possibility, but until Mueller releases his investigation then nobody can say there is no collusion.
 
tlongII said:
I think we do. Denny has already posted enough information to support that position.
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Denny? Is he involved with the Mueller investigation? Are you privy to the Mueller investigation? Otherwise your opinion is essentially baseless. If you want the truth then allow Mueller to finish his investigation, but trying to shove it aside and prematurely end it is being foolish. What are you afraid might come out?
 
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CupWizier said:
Denny? Is he involved with the Mueller investigation? Are you privy to the Mueller investigation? Otherwise your opinion is essentially baseless. If you want the truth then allow Mueller to finish his investigation, but trying to shove it aside and prematurely end it is being foolish. What are you afraid my come out?
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I'm not afraid of anything. I'm just telling you that the facts don't support the assumption that Russian interference had anything to do with the results of the election.

Mueller can continue investigating all he wants. We shall see what the results are.
 
tlongII said:
I'm not afraid of anything. I'm just telling you that the facts don't support the assumption that Russian interference had anything to do with the results of the election.

Mueller can continue investigating all he wants. We shall see what the results are.
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Read slowly

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS

in fact we as the public have very little facts so far and if Russia was spewing propaganda through places like Facebook, Instagram etc. how can you say it didn't have any influence on the election? You can't unless you can prove to me that you interviewed every voter and asked why they voted the way they did.
 
CupWizier said:
Read slowly

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS

in fact we as the public have very little facts so far and if Russia was spewing propaganda through places like Facebook, Instagram etc. how can you say it didn't have any influence on the election? You can't unless you can prove to me that you interviewed every voter and asked why they voted the way they did.
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Yes, you do have the pertinent facts to arrive at that conclusion. Denny already posted them. I'm not going to dig them up again.
 
Cippy91 said:
I still don’t understand why everybody thinks Russia would purposely want trump to win. Hillary had a uranium deal done with them before, it’s not like she was anti Russia. That’s where the whole theory loses me. It makes no sense for them to want trump to win
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Please tell me you're kidding 'cause the evidence is overwhelming.
 
Cippy91 said:
Breitbart claimed it was all Hillary who signed off on this deal all by herself when in reality it was her and a group of people. She denies it but lets be real. So because of this one thing, you think I believe facts don't matter where here I am straightening it. I believe she signed off on it along with the others, if she didn't it still doesn't derail the conversation because that's not even what it was about. I just had told you everything about wikileaks yet you pick out something I had briefly mentioned prior to that and now you shut it all down. I mean fine, okay if that's what you want to do.
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Breitbart is a bullshit news source. All of their stories are sheer fantasy.
 
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