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magnifier661 said:
And yet it’s been widely prescribed these doses for other illnesses. :dunno:
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Exactly. For other illnesses with precise dosage under careful monitoring. Not handed out like Halloween candy.

From what I have learned side effects are most likely to impact older people with cardio or respiratory conditions, exactly the ones most at risk from COVID-19.

Yeah, someone in extremis, they'll try anything. Hydroxychloroquine, eye of newt, dwarf cock (GoT fans will recognize that reference). But for some reason Trump had a bug up his sizeable ass about this drug. I know he claims to be a natural scientist but he is not, there is no such thing, and no reason to favor this drug just because Trump (and his fans on Fox) say so.

Like Dr. Fauci said, evidence, not feelings.
 
crandc said:
Exactly. For other illnesses with precise dosage under careful monitoring. Not handed out like Halloween candy.

From what I have learned side effects are most likely to impact older people with cardio or respiratory conditions, exactly the ones most at risk from COVID-19.

Yeah, someone in extremis, they'll try anything. Hydroxychloroquine, eye of newt, dwarf cock (GoT fans will recognize that reference). But for some reason Trump had a bug up his sizeable ass about this drug. I know he claims to be a natural scientist but he is not, there is no such thing, and no reason to favor this drug just because Trump (and his fans on Fox) say so.

Like Dr. Fauci said, evidence, not feelings.
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The administration said very clearly that this requires the patient to physician treatment. There is no way a person can take this medication without a prescription by their doctor. So your statement is moot.

Secondly, people are dying. There isn’t a single drug or vaccine approved for treatment, therapy or curing this virus except for “off label” prescriptions. Are we supposed to just let them die because we don’t have 18 months of blind studies to validate medications? Do you really think this country can survive an 18 month mitigation until treatments are approved?

No, you use the resources you have to stop the hemorrhaging now. Use a better treatment when it comes available. The resistance because “Orange Man Bad” is inexcusable imo. That’s ignorance.
 
I've noticed that the US in proportion has a lower "total recovered" ration than most countries...I'd like to see that number go up...and MAYBE, just maybe Hydroxychloroquine would help doing that. My only concern would be if whether or not it would do more harm to those who are already "in critical condition".
Then again, some of those people are destine to die anyway...tough call.
 
yankeesince59 said:
I've noticed that the US in proportion has a lower "total recovered" ration than most countries...I'd like to see that number go up...and MAYBE, just maybe Hydroxychloroquine would help doing that. My only concern would be if whether or not it would do more harm to those who are already "in critical condition".
Then again, some of those people are destine to die anyway...tough call.
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Yeah I agree. Definitely shouldn’t be giving this drug to someone being tested positive. Should be saved for patients on a downward trajectory. Like a pathway to having to be put on a ventilator.
 
Certainly use a possible treatment when indicated. But it is not a miracle cure or a game changer, yet Trump TV and the Republican party now all have to promote this one drug because Trump said so. He's not a fucking doctor and not a virologist so leave science to those who actually know it.
 
crandc said:
Certainly use a possible treatment when indicated. But it is not a miracle cure or a game changer, yet Trump TV and the Republican party now all have to promote this one drug because Trump said so. He's not a fucking doctor and not a virologist so leave science to those who actually know it.
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100% agreed. And yes, Trump is really promoting this product. And there have been antidotal events where this event saved someone’s life and thanked Trump for bringing up a medicine they had no idea about.

Whatever the case, saving one life is amazing. Hopefully it can save more. And yes, hopefully this treatment doesn’t cause serious health complications. I will say I’m more confident that a drug vetted since the 50s will give physicians enough data on safe dosages and treatments
 
http://dlvr.it/RTmLmg

Warning Of Side Effects, Rita Wilson Says She Took Trump-Touted Drug And Recovered From Coronavirus: ‘My Fever Did Break’

Wilson, along with her actor husband Tom Hanks, were two of the first celebrities to share with the public that they were infected with the China-originated coronavirus. As noted by The Daily Wire, the duo recovered from the virus in late March and returned home to the United States from Australia.

“On day nine, they gave me chloroquine,” she continued. “And I know people have been talking about this drug, but I can only tell you that, I don’t know if the drug worked or if it was just time for the fever to break, but my fever did break.”

“But the chloroquine had such extreme side effects,” she said. “I was completely nauseous and I had vertigo. I could not walk and my muscles felt very weak.”
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Here is a randomized study (not yet peer reviewed) done by China with just Hydroxychloroquine. Not the combo with z-pac or zinc, which was used on other successful testing.

the study was 3 days of 200mg dosing, then 800mg for the remaining days. I believe it was a 3 week trial.

The results were no significant improvement from normal therapeutic treatments. Mild side effects were diarrhea.

interesting nonetheless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060558v1
 
magnifier661 said:
Here is a randomized study (not yet peer reviewed) done by China with just Hydroxychloroquine. Not the combo with z-pac or zinc, which was used on other successful testing.

the study was 3 days of 200mg dosing, then 800mg for the remaining days. I believe it was a 3 week trial.

The results were no significant improvement from normal therapeutic treatments. Mild side effects were diarrhea.

interesting nonetheless

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060558v1
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Interestingly, they also said that it reduced fevers and inflammation. Even if the drug doesn't shorten the duration of infection, if it reduces the severity of the symptoms, it can save lives.
 
39 Texas City nursing home residents successfully complete hydroxychloroquine treatment for COVID-19
Residents completed a five-day treatment of hydroxychloroquine and their doctor said none have experienced side effects.
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DALLAS — What happened at a Galveston County nursing home over the last week was one of the first big tests of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients in Texas.

“I thought the risk of seeing 15% of that nursing home die was just not an acceptable,” said Dr. Robin Armstrong, MD, medical director at The Resort at Texas City.

Fifty-six residents at this senior facility in Galveston County contracted the novel coronavirus. Dr. Robin Armstrong said 39 of them gave him permission to treat them with hydroxychloroquine pills.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article...city/287-7383185c-940c-4cb2-82ea-c4a5ffad3ffb
 
Lanny said:
This 'rag' has twice as many Pulitzers as no. 2, The Washington Post.
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Didn't know that. The WaPost is a 'rag' imo too for the simple reason that I doubt and question every piece of news anyone provides. Any thought on the actual article, instead of just stating fun facts?
 
magnifier661 said:
39 Texas City nursing home residents successfully complete hydroxychloroquine treatment for COVID-19
Residents completed a five-day treatment of hydroxychloroquine and their doctor said none have experienced side effects.
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DALLAS — What happened at a Galveston County nursing home over the last week was one of the first big tests of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients in Texas.

“I thought the risk of seeing 15% of that nursing home die was just not an acceptable,” said Dr. Robin Armstrong, MD, medical director at The Resort at Texas City.

Fifty-six residents at this senior facility in Galveston County contracted the novel coronavirus. Dr. Robin Armstrong said 39 of them gave him permission to treat them with hydroxychloroquine pills.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article...city/287-7383185c-940c-4cb2-82ea-c4a5ffad3ffb
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not much info in that article. I'm not sure what the criteria is for a blind study. But to me, the obvious question is what happened to the 17 residents with Covid who didn't agree to the drug?
 
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wizenheimer said:
not much info in that article. I'm not sure what the criteria is for a blind study. But to me, the obvious question is what happened to the 17 residents with Covid who didn't agree to the drug?
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Oh, I’m not saying this is some scientific study. Just sharing news regarding it.
 
Lanny said:
Well then, maybe it is a rag.
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While I don't think that the NYT is a "rag", it certainly made kind of a raggy move with their article that originally started this thread:

"If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine."

The inference by the NYT that Trump was pushing hydroxychloroquine for personal financial gain was ludicrous. His interest in the Sanofi turned out to be maybe a few thousand dollars worth of stock in a mutual fund in a blind family trust. The drug isn't even one of the main pharmaceuticals that Sanofi manufactures.
 
wizenheimer said:
Is that the same French organization that released information previously suggesting efficacy with the drug results that later withdrew those findings in favor of a less optimistic set of findings?
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I think it's a different group. Doesn't discount this study though. Hopefully, we get the peer review.
 
magnifier661 said:
I think it's a different group. Doesn't discount this study though. Hopefully, we get the peer review.
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don't get me wrong, I hope the drug combos do have efficacy. Even if the results are only mild reductions in fever or inflammation in some patients, that's better than nothing. The side effects are a worry, especially with vulnerable patients, but 50 years of use should have least created a baseline for monitoring side effects
 
wizenheimer said:
don't get me wrong, I hope the drug combos do have efficacy. Even if the results are only mild reductions in fever or inflammation in some patients, that's better than nothing. The side effects are a worry, especially with vulnerable patients, but 50 years of use should have least created a baseline for monitoring side effects
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Agreed. It’s one of the tools we have right now. When something better comes, then start using that.
 
wizenheimer said:
Is that the same French organization that released information previously suggesting efficacy with the drug results that later withdrew those findings in favor of a less optimistic set of findings?
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I am not certain which french organization is which. This one did a test with unfavorable results. If it is the same one or not, I do not know.
 
tlongII said:
Didn’t Canzano win a Pulitzer?
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No idea. Canzano writes a lot of crap but sometimes hits on something good. Give credit where credit is due.
 
Remdesivir anti-viral trial reports 'rapid recoveries' for severe hospitalised coronavirus patients with 'nearly all' discharged within a week and only two deaths out of 125
  • University of Chicago recruited 125 COVID-19 patients - 113 with severe disease
  • It was part of Gilead Sciences clinical trials of experimental drug remdesivir
  • Patients had daily remdesivir infusions and most saw symptoms ease in a week
  • Gilead Sciences Inc's shares surged 16 per cent in after hours trading Thursday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-respond-Gileads-remdesivir-shares-surge.html
 
tlongII said:
Didn’t Canzano win a Pulitzer?
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Yeah, but I think the effect is the opposite of what you were looking for. If canzano won one and a right wing production hasn't, that kind of puts them down even lower than canzano.
 
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