Politics Trump Pardons Domestic Terrorists

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This is a perfect example of how the government and media keep the public at odds with eachother. The left sees white people in cowboy hats and assumes inherent racism, based purely on stereotypes, and would rather side with a land grabbing government that is infinitely whiter and more racist.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
How about don’t commit acts of terrorism get into a standoff with law enforcement in the 1st place. Then you don’t need to worry about your time in prison.
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Terrorism? Let's not be sensational. Just because you can loosely define something based on technicalities doesn't mean it's accurate.

Al Qaeda are terrorists. Pissed off ranchers and inner city protesters are not.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
How about don’t commit acts of terrorism get into a standoff with law enforcement in the 1st place. Then you don’t need to worry about your time in prison.
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Excuses. The ethics of it bother me no matter the crime. If these guys were behind 9/11 and the judge gave them 10 years instead of death I'd want them to serve the 10 unless you could prove a conspiracy including the judge.

If I were able to grant pardons and someone told me the sentence discrepancies and not the crimes I'd pardon them all.

To me it is like double jeopardy. People walk for things like murder all the time. Them's the rules we all live by.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Excuses. The ethics of it bother me no matter the crime. If these guys were behind 9/11 and the judge gave them 10 years instead of death I'd want them to serve the 10 unless you could prove a conspiracy including the judge.

If I were able to grant pardons and someone told me the sentence discrepancies and not the crimes I'd pardon them all.

To me it is like double jeopardy. People walk for things like murder all the time. Them's the rules we all live by.
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So you're okay with the judge in California that gave the student athlete from Stanford a 6 month sentence for sexually assaulting a females student who was passed out?
 
jonnyboy said:
The meme implied Americans defend "domestic terrorism" while simultaneously being appalled at football player for kneeling. It was an over-generalization and just overall race baiting bullshit. I was comparing two different methods of protest, not condoning them.
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Only white people use that term. It's used because they're afraid to realize or even care about the truth.

You can bring a bullet, bring a sword
Bring a morgue, but thou can't bring the truth to me.

- Kendrick Lamar
 
jonnyboy said:
Terrorism? Let's not be sensational. Just because you can loosely define something based on technicalities doesn't mean it's accurate.

Al Qaeda are terrorists. Pissed off ranchers and inner city protesters are not.
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So, if a group if islamic folks did what they did, wouldn't they get called Terrorists?
 
dviss1 said:
Only white people use that term. It's used because they're afraid to realize or even care about the truth.

You can bring a bullet, bring a sword
Bring a morgue, but thou can't bring the truth to me.

- Kendrick Lamar
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I kind of disagree with this, but I'm having a really hard time explaining it. I definitely see the point your making, but I think there is more to it in my mind then just white people don't want the truth.
I don't want to speak for "whites" or whatever so I'll just speak for myself.
I get frustrated with the "victim" thing at times, when people immediately jump to this only happened to me because I'm insert race, gender, religion / world view, etc. Sometimes things definitely are driven by racism and I believe we should always try to snuff that stuff out.
I also get frustrated at how both sides play this game with us (the people), where they are actively profiting off of keeping groups at each other.

I have a friend who has been through (not exaggerating) 20+ jobs in the last 3 years, nice guy but super lazy and with a straight face he will tell you it's all because he's a white male and if he was something else he wouldn't get fired. That's just freaking nonsense right? I don't believe it for a second, but he believes it, he is convinced he's just a victim of his skin color and gender.

Now I can't speak for other people, be it black or white but I hear people say this stuff all the time where this only happened because I'm "something", and I KNOW for a fact that things happen to people of color because of their skin, but it's also really hard at least for me to tell when something happened to them because they are brown, or when something happened to them because of their actions, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I know I'm not saying this well, and it's why I shouldn't be part of the off topic threads like this.
Anyways I do respect your opinions a lot, like I have said in other threads, so none of this is meant for you to take personally. The whole "race" issue is hard for me to talk about not because I don't want the truth, but because the truth in this is buried inside of people's heads or hearts or whatever you want to call it, and a lot of the time what truly motivates treating people wrong is hard to extract.
 
dviss1 said:
There have been 154+ mass shootings this year, none of which have been done by a brown person.

You hold up with guns and take over federal buildings you're a terrorist.

Maybe terrorist means brown to some...
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They didn't hold anything up. They occupied an empty building.

And no there's not alot of brown people commiting mass shootings. They are commiting murders by the hundreds in places like Chicago though. Oh but that's racist for me to mention. Carry on with your race baiting.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So, if a group if islamic folks did what they did, wouldn't they get called Terrorists?
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Depends on the reasoning. Terrorists invoke terror to cause harm and fear. And they're violent. Not the same as protesting land rights non violently and demanding meetings and negotiations. Calling them terrorists is just the media trying to scare the public like they usually do to get their narrative accepted. And look how well it works.
 
jonnyboy said:
The FBI has yet to shoot any football players for kneeling. And the same shit could be said about the Bundys or Hammonds as the fucking dipshits running around Portland burning things and breaking shit.
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What a stupid ass post. We all have police stories or have family members who have stories.

I've known 3 people who have been killed by police while unarmed.
 
dviss1 said:
First this definitely breaks the personal insult rule. 2nd it's true. Black people never use that term.
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Being black doesn't make you a spokesperson for the entire community. There are plenty of black people who don't think the way you do. I've watched the ridiculous race-themed MTV videos you post here, and seen countless black people in those comments sections talking shit about them. The bubble you live in doesn't encompass every black person.
 
dviss1 said:
Call out white people on their shit and you get called a racist.

Isn't that race baiting? I wouldn't know how to use that phrase though...
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You got called a racist for generalizing an entire race negatively.
 
dviss1 said:
Hilarious. You have no CLUE.
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Your skin color doesn't give you the authority to write the rules on race relations. You think everyone should walk on eggshells while you openly throw around around accusations. It's bullshit. The second someone breaks your rules they are clueless, ignorant, racist, etc. That's just not how shit works.
 
jonnyboy said:
Your skin color doesn't give you the authority to write the rules on race relations. You think everyone should walk on eggshells while you openly throw around around accusations. It's bullshit. The second someone breaks your rules they are clueless, ignorant, racist, etc. That's just not how shit works.
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You. Don't. Have. A. Clue.
 
jonnyboy said:
Way to veil your personal insults. Well done. Using loopholes makes it ok to insult people.
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So you'd prefer I was like you and just blatantly break forum rules?

Your post and your sorry ass debate tactics can suck it.
 
jonnyboy said:
I. Dont. Give. A. Fuck.

You should know this by now.
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I knew this the moment you chastised me for calling out racist America.

Racism is the biggest problem in this country and those that defend it are part of that problem.
 
dviss1 said:
No, y'all don't see it and don't care about the status quo of systemic racism and white supremacy in this country.

FUCK whoever defends and supports that shit.
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Ha! I do care. That's what is hilarious.

You cr....errr, your posts crying like a bitch about everything unfair in life just makes me sad.

Fighting fire with fire doesn't work and you're just being obtuse if you think being in a perpetual rage is going to help anything.


It makes me care less and less and less.

I'll say it again. I believe that anyone who gets sentenced to something should get just that. I told you I thought it would be more fair if all crimes had a mandatory sentence and if they did it they get it.

That way the "affluenza" teen gets the sentence he deserves and black kids that commit the same crime get the same sentence.

You're the one who doesn't want that. When it comes to black people you don't seem to want them to go to prison for anything.
 
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