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It's funny how Mar Azul and Denny (don't call me Kelly) Crane both call CNN fake news and then post links to CNN articles.
 
Denny Crane said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nato-and-nato-said-no/?utm_term=.d7e885eee041

The Kremlin has warned that if Ukraine attempted to join NATO, any chances for peace would be derailed.

It's a problem for NATO. But in an alternative universe, the problem would be very different. That's because Ukraine would already be a NATO member, with its 2008 application to join the military alliance winning acceptance.

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Russia, however, was openly hostile to Ukrainian membership in NATO. The Kremlin opposed any eastward expansion of the alliance, and Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that NATO membership would force Russia to treat Ukraine as an enemy. "It is horrible to say and even horrible to think that, in response to the deployment of [NATO missile facilities] in Ukrainian territory, which cannot theoretically be ruled out, Russia could target its missile systems at Ukraine," Putin when Yushchenko visited the Kremlin in February 2008. "Imagine this just for a second."

Russia's opposition caused consternation among some NATO members. "We are opposed to the entry of Georgia and Ukraine because we think that it is not a good answer to the balance of power within Europe and between Europe and Russia," French Prime Minister François Fillon reportedly said in a radio interview. That consternation proved vital.

During NATO's 2008 summit in Bucharest, Romania, the issue was discussed and, after opposition from France and Germany, a decision was made to offer neither Ukraine nor Georgia a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) — essentially a path for Ukraine to receive membership — at that moment.

(Russian military intervention in Ukraine started in 2014).

Ukraine's NATO application is worth revisiting, and not just to ponder theoretical "what if" scenarios. The application and the events that followed reveal a number of factors that are relevant to Ukraine's ongoing crisis.
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Wait, I thought the WaPo was in the fake news category.
 
Oh shit, I get it. It's fake news when you disagree with it but news when you don't.
 
riverman said:
you believe the UN inspectors ...multi nationals...buried an ongoing weapons program in Iran? They are being very transparent about what they're doing now and according to Iranian news...they're blaming it on Trump's blockade...if we're going to call them an enemy...what else would they do?
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Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Quran
Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
 
MarAzul said:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
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Husbands have been doing that long before there were ever muslims.

- News
 
MarAzul said:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other
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scholars are more often than not..not military strategists or politicians....Iran has a diverse population that I'm sure encompasses many different levels of traditions as well as modern thought...most Iranians are under 30 years of age and there is a movement in modern Iraq to get away from old dated practices...seems to happen everywhere.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Giant conspiracy that the news all got together and started lying.

- Fake news
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They started lying when the election cycle started. They lied last time, too.

Of course there's a conspiracy. The reporters from WaPost appear on CNN all the time (for example).
 
So much butt hurt about the media.

Subscriptions have consequences. Get over it.

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Husbands have been doing that long before there were ever muslims.

- News
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I see. Husband one or all have the weight of Mohammad with the 2 billion followers. I never even guessed.
I do think scripture influences quite a few. Come to think of it, I have been told this one is followed very often by very many.
 
barfo said:
So much butt hurt about the media.

Subscriptions have consequences. Get over it.

barfo
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Fuck the media if they're going to claim there's a need for what they do. You get over it.
 
Denny Crane said:
2014, before sore loser set in.
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Denny Crane said:
They started lying when the election cycle started. They lied last time, too.
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So they lie when "they lose" and they lie when "they win" and somehow a 2014 article is credible even though it lands in between two points on the corruption timeline that you've identified (2012 election and 2016 election).

It's almost like there's no actual objective criteria to your claims of fake news at all and you link the articles when they say what you want and deride them as fake news when they don't say what you want.
 
The only 'soft targets' we should be talking about are the ones that Obama and Bush have bombed the last 16 years.
 
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