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Denny Crane said:
It's hard to trust the polls these days.

You have pollsters who obviously got the election results very wrong.

The wording of the questions matter, or the polls are actually "push polls."

And then there's the constant stirring up of shit by the biased media. PR absolutely affects polls. The media's focus is on destroying Trump and his nominees, not reporting on anything he does that is good.

Like meeting with MLK III gets a minute or two air time every few hours. Yet they have panel after panel of Trump haters talking down about him.

I frankly don't care about his popularity. It will only matter, ultimately, in 2020. If by then, his popularity is still low, he's sucked as president. If he comes through on a fraction of his promises, he should be hugely popular.
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I cant disagree. It certainly worked for Obama.......
 
Here you go.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...mp-favorabilty-through-aggressive-oversamples

New ABC / WaPo Poll Shows Drop In Trump Favorability Courtesy Of Aggressive "Oversamples"

In the month leaded up to the election on November 8th, we repeatedly demonstrated how the mainstream media polls from the likes of ABC/Washington Post, CNN and Reuters repeatedly manipulated their poll samples to engineer their desired results, namely a large Hillary Clinton lead (see "New Podesta Email Exposes Playbook For Rigging Polls Through 'Oversamples'" and "ABC/Wapo Effectively Admit To Poll Tampering As Hillary's "Lead" Shrinks To 2-Points"). In fact, just 16 days prior to the election an ABC/Wapo poll showed a 12-point lead for Hillary, a result that obviously turned out to be embarrassingly wrong for the pollsters.

But, proving they still got it, ABC/Washington Post and CNN are out with a pair of polls on Trump's favorability this morning that sport some of the most egregious "oversamples" we've seen. The ABC/Wapo poll showed an 8-point sampling margin for Democrats with only 23% of the results taken from Republicans...

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...while the CNN poll showed a similar 8-point advantage for Democrats with only 24% of respondents identifying as Republicans.



"A total of 1,000 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones. Among the entire sample, 32% described themselves as Democrats, 24% described themselves as Republicans, and 44% described themselves as independents or members of another party.



Of course, as we've repeatedly pointed out, these sampling mixes couldn't be further from reality.

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And while a quick 2 second review of the methodology of these polls immediately reveals their obvious bias, here are some of the results.
 
Denny Crane said:
There seems to be a lot of people unwilling to eat crow over his victory. Is that arrogance or what?
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I've accepted that he won. That he will be the next president. I've already said as much. Doesn't mean I think he will be a good president.
 
Denny Crane said:
Is that arrogance or what
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was it arrogant of you to aggressively doubt and chastise Obama's presidency?.....sure didn't stop you in any of his victories.....what has Trump done that you deem worthy of our admiration? You are playing with a one sided coin Denny....I've yet to see you give credit where credit is due when it comes to any Democratic policy or military action....yet you have started gushing over Trump actually all summer....and then claim he's a jerk...hmmmm....I do hope the administration proves me wrong about the guy....who wouldn't? Just don't ask me to feel warm and fuzzy about Trump as my president...not happening
 
Chris Craig said:
I've accepted that he won. That he will be the next president. I've already said as much. Doesn't mean I think he will be a good president.
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A whole lot of people should be eating crow right now.

Not just about Trump winning. About Clinton losing. About the demise of the republican party. And much more.
 
riverman said:
was it arrogant of you to aggressively doubt and chastise Obama's presidency?.....sure didn't stop you in any of his victories.....what has Trump done that you deem worthy of our admiration? You are playing with a one sided coin Denny....I've yet to see you give credit where credit is due when it comes to any Democratic policy or military action....yet you have started gushing over Trump actually all summer....and then claim he's a jerk...hmmmm....I do hope the administration proves me wrong about the guy....who wouldn't? Just don't ask me to feel warm and fuzzy about Trump as my president...not happening
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I never doubted and chastised Obama's presidency. I called out the things he did wrong, and praised the things he did right.

Not my fault he wasn't right very much.
 
riverman said:
nah......you've been bashing Obama's legacy all summer....only thing you've said is he's a nice guy
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Friday.

I don't think Obama's been a good president. We have track record to go on.

Trump has only a little track record and that's a handful of deals to build plants and hire people in the US. So far, so very good.
 
Denny Crane said:
Friday.

I don't think Obama's been a good president. We have track record to go on.

Trump has only a little track record and that's a handful of deals to build plants and hire people in the US. So far, so very good.
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Correction.....he has a handful of proposed deals. Nothing set in stone yet. You're being a bit premature. And by your "track record" scorecard, who has been a "good" president in the past few decades......? And please don't say Reagan. That senile old fool is the one who got our country rolling down the path to our current sad state of affairs.....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Correction.....he has a handful of proposed deals. Nothing set in stone yet. You're being a bit premature. And by your "track record" scorecard, who has been a "good" president in the past few decades......? And please don't say Reagan. That senile old fool is the one who got our country rolling down the path to our current sad state of affairs.....
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You tell me who has been a "good" president in the past few decades. And please don't say Clinton, Carter, or Obama.

Geez.
 
Denny Crane said:
And please don't say Clinton, Carter, or Obama
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well.....that says it all....sorry to be rude but Obama hands down and probably just because McGovern lost the election long ago....before Obama I was most excited about the possibility of McGovern as the great one....didn't happen. I was overseas for the entire Clinton era so I have a more detached view of his presidency..I'll throw JFK in the mix because he tried to stop the Viet Nam war at least and the Cuban crisis...unfortunately he didn't get to the final buzzer...I think Bobby Kennedy would have been a great one. ...I trusted Ike but was so young then and thought a president could do no wrong.
 
riverman said:
well.....that says it all....sorry to be rude but Obama hands down and probably just because McGovern lost the election....before Obama I was most excited about the possibility of McGovern as the great one....didn't happen. I was overseas for the entire Clinton era so I have a more detached view of his presidency..
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Sorry, but asking me to choose a good president and saying "but don't say X" isn't much of a question.

I liked Reagan. I liked Clinton.

Reagan turned around a horrible economy that was several years in decline, ended the cold war, kept us out of war except a few really minor skirmishes.

Clinton shrank government through attrition and signed balanced budgets passed by the republicans. Aside from his presidency being scandal ridden and his impeachment, his only real failures were not recognizing the stock market bubble of his making and he failed to get Bin Laden. He did hand W a massive stock market crash and a recession.

Carter is the guy who nearly ruined the country. Decimated the military, made us a laughing stock internationally, on the road to being a 3rd world nation in terms of debt, interest rates, inflation, and unemployment. His only success was peace between Egypt and Israel (at the expensive of $billions in weapons to both sides every year since). His biggest failure was the creation of Iran as the state we now know it - huge sponsor of terrorist organizations.

EDIT: I wanted McGovern to win, too. And Carter the 1st time. Then I wised up.
 
Well.....I asked you first but...as much as it pains me to say it, Bush the first was far better than I expected, if only because he put a leash on Cheney and Rumsfeld and was smart enough to stop at the Kuwait/Iraq border. Which probably cost him a second term. Johnson had it all until he doubled down with both the Great Society and the escalation of the Vietnam War. He should have put all his chips on the former. His legacy would have been unimpeachable. So, in my book (with the limitations you imposed) the last good president was Eisenhower.
 
MarAzul said:
Oh my.
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I think during Truman and Eisenhower's eras most americans blindly trusted our leaders to be great men because they were president....somewhere along the way, that changed..reading about Ike later on in life I realized he wasn't an impressive president, but was a seemingly honest one
 
Denny Crane said:
Friday. He'll be sworn in.

That is victory.
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I think the point Riverman is making is that, while Donald Trump and his supporters were victorious in winning the election that doesn't mean it will be a victorious presidency or a victory for the American people... that remains to be seen. But for all our sakes, I hope it's a victorious presidency for Donald Trump because then we all win and I will eat crow with relish.
 
Spud147 said:
I think the point Riverman is making is that, while Donald Trump and his supporters were victorious in winning the election that doesn't mean it will be a victorious presidency or a victory for the American people... that remains to be seen. But for all our sakes, I hope it's a victorious presidency for Donald Trump because then we all win and I will eat crow with relish.
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This.
 
I cheat a bit when I eat crow.....I eat only crow egg omelettes.....what came first, the crow or the egg?
 
I've said many times that respect is earned by demonstrable example and so far we've had a couple of years of talking heads making promises.....Trump has earned only disrespect from me and he could turn it around and earn my respect...I'll say that much. (not holding my breath) I think it's the team around him that will be the identity more than him...he seems to want to get people to help him and that's good, I don't think he wants to really work much...they'll do the work and he'll get the credit and compliment himself on twitter...that's my prediction.
 
riverman said:
I cheat a bit when I eat crow.....I eat only crow egg omelettes.....what came first, the crow or the egg?
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Fortunately we're as far "out of side/out of mind" from Washington DC as you can get up here in Oregon. They really don't notice us that much (outside of the rioting) and we can eat our crow omelets cooked in marijuana infused oil and wash it down with some of the finest microbrew beer and pinot noir in the world. I think it's going to be a long and strange trip! :smiley-calista:
 
riverman said:
I think during Truman and Eisenhower's eras most americans blindly trusted our leaders to be great men because they were president....somewhere along the way, that changed..reading about Ike later on in life I realized he wasn't an impressive president, but was a seemingly honest one
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Not a bad man, just not so bright. I have posted my thoughts on D-day in here before so no need again. But our battle over Formosa (Taiwan) that Ike held to mystified me.
You have been there, the natives hated us, hated the Mainlanders occupying the island. I didn't mine the trouble between them, but shit, they were throwing rocks at me!
We patrolled that sea for years, shot at, planes knocked down, all kind a bad shit. Then we give it all up and now we reevaluate again. Well so be it, but damn, there was no great leadership by Ike!
 
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