Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

[Denny Crane]

At least Trump doesn't have blood on his hands for political expediency. And that doesn't even mention the fact she should be in prison for hosting her own server.

It helps to have friends at the DoJ.

 

[maxiep]

It helps to have friends at the DoJ.

See? The assumption is, if you have friends in the right places, you're above the law. The DoJ isn't the White House Counsel. It's supposed to be blind, yet we just casually accept it's okay that it's completely politicized.

 

[Denny Crane]

See? The assumption is, if you have friends in the right places, you're above the law. The DoJ isn't the White House Counsel. It's supposed to be blind, yet we just casually accept it's okay that it's completely politicized.

W appointed a special prosecutor who got Scooter Libby. And he did not pardon him.

Huge contrast.

 

[riverman]

Reagan. No matter what YOU think of him.

Reagan was a horrible governor of Calif...locked up half the state for marijuana and put many single moms on welfare while he did it. Killed a cash cow...as president he had a partnership with Margaret Thatcher that brought down the wall in East Germany...his crowning achievement...then his starwars program put us in debt that only the computer boom staved off...the last 2-3 years of his term he was stricken with alzheimers disease...basically a puppet...he's not on my HOF list for great presidents

 

[Chris Craig]

Reagan was a horrible governor of Calif...locked up half the state for marijuana and put many single moms on welfare while he did it. Killed a cash cow...as president he had a partnership with Margaret Thatcher that brought down the wall in East Germany...his crowning achievement...then his starwars program put us in debt that only the computer boom staved off...the last 2-3 years of his term he was stricken with alzheimers disease...basically a puppet...he's not on my HOF list for great presidents

Tear down that wall Mr Riverman, tear down that wall

 

[Denny Crane]

Reagan was a horrible governor of Calif...locked up half the state for marijuana and put many single moms on welfare while he did it. Killed a cash cow...as president he had a partnership with Margaret Thatcher that brought down the wall in East Germany...his crowning achievement...then his starwars program put us in debt that only the computer boom staved off...the last 2-3 years of his term he was stricken with alzheimers disease...basically a puppet...he's not on my HOF list for great presidents

Democrats controlled the purse. Prriod.

Reagan's tax cuts grew government revenues by 2x. Democrats grew spending 3x.

Star wars had a PUNY budget. $200B over 30 years.

Military spending was about half what it was in the JFK years.

 

[Chris Craig]

Donald Trump eats babies

 

[Chris Craig]

I trust Trump as much as this little girl does

 

[riverman]

Democrats controlled the purse. Prriod.

Reagan's tax cuts grew government revenues by 2x. Democrats grew spending 3x.

Star wars had a PUNY budget. $200B over 30 years.

Military spending was about half what it was in the JFK years.

He had in his first few years that Bill Clinton charm..he charmed the world...I'm not a huge Reagan fan but I give him credit for his global charisma and connections...he had 3 really good years that were historically important...he had many years in politics that were terrible

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Denny Crane]

Reagan was a horrible governor of Calif...locked up half the state for marijuana and put many single moms on welfare while he did it. Killed a cash cow...as president he had a partnership with Margaret Thatcher that brought down the wall in East Germany...his crowning achievement...then his starwars program put us in debt that only the computer boom staved off...the last 2-3 years of his term he was stricken with alzheimers disease...basically a puppet...he's not on my HOF list for great presidents

You got me interested in Reagan and his opposition to marijuana, and illegal drugs in general. In the 1980s, I exchanged several mails with myy congressman, the awful Henry Hyde. I suggested to him that legalization and taxing marijuana would end a huge underground economy and raise revenue for the government. His reply was that where it is tried, a decent % chunk of the population becomes dependent, and it's not in the best interest of the nation to have more drug addicts. I still think I was right, but the guy did make a quality argument against.

So Reagan wrote his own speeches. I do remember C.A.M.P., just say no, and all the rest. But in his own hand writing, he made a case against marijuana.

The link is here to one such speech:
https://books.google.com/books?id=CExclJtH1qYC&pg=PT559&lpg=PT559&dq=reagan marijuana&source=bl&ots=YLLDn_9Oyl&sig=7T8C7475NMd_WH9pLE7jNO5_y6o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd1L-e5LrOAhVM5mMKHQl-AzA4ChDoAQg1MAk#v=onepage&q=reagan marijuana&f=true

There is an image there of his handwritten version as well. So I read it and his claims, and sure enough, he had the facts on his side. The vast majority of people polled at the time opposed legislation as well.

Anyhow:

1. THC stays in the body (fat cells) for a month. True.

2. THC does indeed affect short term memory and transfer to long term. True.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_and_memory

3. Marijuana slows the production of white blood cells. True.
http://topnews.us/content/229343-use-cannabis-suppresses-body-s-immune-system-says-study

4. Pot smoke contains carcinogens. True, but at the time it wasn't understood that THC counters the effects.
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20051017/pot-smoke-less-carcinogenic-than-tobacco


And there is this quote attributed to him from many sources:
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
The smoke from burning marijuana contains many more cancer-causing substances than tobacco. And if that isn’t enough it leads to bronchitis and emphysema. If adults want to take such chances that is their business. But surely the communications media … should let four million youngsters know what they are risking.

Sure enough:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276036/
We affirm that in all cases of bullous emphysema in young individuals, marijuana abuse should be included in the differential diagnosis. The period of marijuana smoking plays an important role in the development of lung emphysema. Most of the patients are asymptomatic and present with spontaneous pneumothoraces. Video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery (VATS) should be considered as one of the options for resection of bulla and prevention of recurrent pneumothoraces.

 

[Denny Crane]

He had in his first few years that Bill Clinton charm..he charmed the world...I'm not a huge Reagan fan but I give him credit for his global charisma and connections...he had 3 really good years that were historically important...he had many years in politics that were terrible

I didn't agree with him on everything. He promised to end selective service, but didn't.

On the other hand, he literally saved the world. Scientists had their doomsday clock at 11:59PM. When he met with Gorby in Iceland, the two neatly eliminated their entire nuclear weapons stockpiles. All of the real nuclear reduction treaties that followed are thanks to him.

He was willing to meet face to face with our enemies and make peace.

 

[riverman]

Democrats controlled the purse. Prriod.

Reagan's tax cuts grew government revenues by 2x. Democrats grew spending 3x.

Star wars had a PUNY budget. $200B over 30 years.

Military spending was about half what it was in the JFK years.

That's 200 billion Reagan era dollars without interest...he invented great American debt for an enormous weapons program that he claimed would checkmate the world....super hawk...loved to play cowboys with white hats in the movies....

 

[Chris Craig]

I didn't agree with him on everything. He promised to end selective service, but didn't.

On the other hand, he literally saved the world. Scientists had their doomsday clock at 11:59PM. When he met with Gorby in Iceland, the two neatly eliminated their entire nuclear weapons stockpiles. All of the real nuclear reduction treaties that followed are thanks to him.

He was willing to meet face to face with our enemies and make peace.

Allright Denny, I'll give him that

 

[riverman]

I didn't agree with him on everything. He promised to end selective service, but didn't.

On the other hand, he literally saved the world. Scientists had their doomsday clock at 11:59PM. When he met with Gorby in Iceland, the two neatly eliminated their entire nuclear weapons stockpiles. All of the real nuclear reduction treaties that followed are thanks to him.

He was willing to meet face to face with our enemies and make peace.

I grew up in the 50's Denny...we had canned goods in bomb shelters...that "world will end tomorrow" thing has gone on our entire lives.

 

[riverman]

I didn't agree with him on everything. He promised to end selective service, but didn't.

On the other hand, he literally saved the world. Scientists had their doomsday clock at 11:59PM. When he met with Gorby in Iceland, the two neatly eliminated their entire nuclear weapons stockpiles. All of the real nuclear reduction treaties that followed are thanks to him.

He was willing to meet face to face with our enemies and make peace.

I agree with his part in ending the cold war with Thatcher...that was historical and credit where credit is due...but that's really a chapter in his political career....over the span of it, I don't give him that high of a grade

 

[riverman]

Bottom line...don't vote for Trump..he just doesn't have the tools to do the job

 

[barfo]

Since FDR, every republican was reelected, including W, except for W's father.

When was Ford's reelection?

And what does it matter anyway?

barfo

 

[maxiep]

Bottom line...don't vote for Trump..he just doesn't have the tools to do the job

Look, I know him a little bit, and certainly won't vote for him due to his policies, but of course he has "the tools to do the job".

 

[MarAzul]

I will vote for Trump. Without remorse. I am not sure what the hell is wrong with the rest of you.

 

[barfo]

I will vote for Trump. Without remorse. I am not sure what the hell is wrong with the rest of you.

The rest of us don't have an ocean-going yacht to escape the country in the event that he actually got elected.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

That's 200 billion Reagan era dollars without interest...he invented great American debt for an enormous weapons program that he claimed would checkmate the world....super hawk...loved to play cowboys with white hats in the movies....

That's $11B a year at its peak.

Half NASA's budget. 1/4 foreign aid budget.

Puny.

 

[Denny Crane]

When was Ford's reelection?

And what does it matter anyway?

barfo

He wasn't elected.

 

[Denny Crane]

I grew up in the 50's Denny...we had canned goods in bomb shelters...that "world will end tomorrow" thing has gone on our entire lives.

We don't have a "world will end tomorrow" anymore. Except from the global warming crowd.

So it hasn't gone on our entire lives. It ended in ... ~1989 for good.

 

[KingSpeed]

Hiliar is so crooked we have no idea what new scandals are going to arise between now and the election. Yesterday and today, new emails have come out that expose what looks like a pay for play (quid pro quo) involving a big time (crooked) Clinton Foundation donor.

Terrorist attacks would also hurt her chances. I wouldn't hope for those.

I think there's potentially a huge October Surprise against her. WikiLeaks or something like that.

There are also the debates. Trump basically ran away with the republican nomination debating against a slew of governors and legislators with superior chops. It seems that the more people see of him, the more popular he gets. He got plenty of airplay during the primaries - the news channels would show him speaking at his events, for a considerable amount of time. Lately, they're taking statements he's made out of context and blowing them out of proportion and not giving him the chance to be heard. They're not going to be able to prevent him from being heard during the debates.

Meanwhile, Gary Johnson is moving up in the polls. 9% last one I saw.

Hillary is crooked? What crimes has she been convicted of?

 

[Denny Crane]

Hillary is crooked? What crimes has she been convicted of?

What crimes was Capone convicted of? (Not murder, extortion, and all the other things we know he did). OJ? (Not murder).

Yes, she's crooked. As crooked as they come. Makes Nixon look honest.

 

[crandc]

As his support drops, as the polls show he's headed for a historic loss, Trump responds with ever more outrageous and offensive remarks. He's an attention junkie who needs and ever bigger fix so has to be more offensive (and factually wrong) to get attention. It does work, the news channels seem to be all Trump all the time. The daily paper carries three Trump stories, including front page, and one story on Hillary Clinton.

How many more days?

Of course after the election we'll have nonstop "election was stolen by ACORN", which ceased to exist in 2009.

Is anyone else still waiting to hear the "amazing" stuff his "investigators" found in Hawaii about President Obama's birth? That Trump has sat on for about 5 years without letting us in on the amazing secret?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Allright Denny, I'll give him that

Pffft, saved the world? Big deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

CNN doing its job. One tiny bit of quality in a sea of non-journalism.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/hillary-clinton-cgi-cheryl-mills/index.html

Top Clinton State Department aide helped Clinton Foundation

(CNN) -- A top aide to Hillary Clinton at the State Department traveled to New York to interview job candidates for a top job at the Clinton Foundation, a CNN investigation has found.

The fact that the aide, Cheryl Mills, was taking part in such a high level task for the Clinton foundation while also working as chief of staff for the secretary of state raises new questions about the blurred lines that have dogged the Clintons in recent years.

Upon entering office as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation agreed to a set of rules to ensure any activities by the foundation would not "create conflicts or the appearance of conflicts for Senator Clinton as Secretary of State."

...

"Congress has a rightful right to ask for any information that it wants to from the executive branch of government to keep track of them," said Scott Amey, an attorney for the Project on Government Oversight. "And the government should be turning that information over, when you have a breakdown in that system, we have a breakdown in our democracy."

There is no doubt of the connections between Clinton Foundation staffers and State Department staffers.

 

[MarAzul]

The rest of us don't have an ocean-going yacht to escape the country in the event that he actually got elected.

barfo

As I suspected. Your fear level is high, mine is not.