Politics Trump: Treasonous Traitor and....Impeachment?

[MarAzul]

this has nothing to do with Dems or Reps, it's about doing the right thing.

Actually it does. Review the actions of Conservative Presidents vs Liberal Presidents and you see a huge difference.
It simply is in the mind set of how to do confrontation and the view of the right thing.

Just as you and I disagree.

 

[riverman]

Actually it does. Review the actions of Conservative Presidents vs Liberal Presidents and you see a huge difference.
It simply is in the mind set of how to do confrontation and the view of the right thing.

Just as you and I disagree.

a president can only accomplish what Congress is willing to work with him to accomplish....Congress has worked against the American people by spending more time making a president look bad for the next election than making the country look good for everyone......now is a strange time...the GOP holds all the purse strings yet still can't get things done for the American people....most liberal presidents..if you call them that...do not have the support of Congress....it's dysfunctional.….Trump just can't get along with anybody period. Success by a president will only occur when the opposition party decides to do what's right and not focus on the failure of the administration. A failed president is a successful campaign for the opposition. Political divorce court

 

[DaLincolnJones]

a president can only accomplish what Congress is willing to work with him to accomplish....Congress has worked against the American people by spending more time making a president look bad for the next election than making the country look good for everyone......now is a strange time...the GOP holds all the purse strings yet still can't get things done for the American people....most liberal presidents..if you call them that...do not have the support of Congress....it's dysfunctional.….Trump just can't get along with anybody period. Success by a president will only occur when the opposition party decides to do what's right and not focus on the failure of the administration. A failed president is a successful campaign for the opposition. Political divorce court

For the most part, I have to agree with you. Excepting that while the GOP does have a slim lead in both houses, they are not and never have been as polarized as the Dems. Without help on both sides of the isle, the President can not advance an agenda.

If one takes an honest look at this administration in historical context, he is no better or worse than what we have had in the past. Most of us realize the Obama spent eight years pitting segments of the population against each other for political gain. This practice is not unusual and has historically been common place. Where he was able to take it to another level is with the advent of social media.

I look at some of the most well thought of presidents, from FDR, Kennedy, Teddy all the way back to Lincoln, Jefferson and Adams..all of these guys would be torn to ribbons in today's environment. Then, just for fun, take a close look at the less popular Presidents..Washington has been a cesspool of corruption for almost two hundred years.

 

[yankeesince59]

Actually it does. Review the actions of Conservative Presidents vs Liberal Presidents and you see a huge difference.
It simply is in the mind set of how to do confrontation and the view of the right thing.

Just as you and I disagree.

...what?...of the previous POTUS's (conservative and liberal), which of them was as maniacal and insulting and bombastic and as clueless as Trump?

...what's your "view of the right thing". Yes or no, do you honestly think Trump handled himself properly with the best interests of the U.S. during the summit?


...a simple yes or no will do.

 

[MarAzul]

It would also help to actually make NATO stronger instead of weaker.

Nato Stronger? I often wonder why we need Nato? The Soviet Union is no more. Why are we on the hook to defend Albania? If Libya attacks Albania, are you willing to send your young ones to do the honorable battle?
Why do the Dems think Russia is the same as the Soviet Union? Do you real think we need to defend Albania from Russia?

It seems like Nato should be considered a relic of the Twentieth Century. It did a job but no longer needed.

.a simple yes or no will do.

Ha! I suppose you have your reasons to be in a rush to judge. I do not. I do not mind waiting to see how events play out.

 

[riverman]

I often wonder why we need Nato?

Russia has invaded Crimea and amassed troops on both the Polish border and north of the Turkish pipeline....nothing to do with the Soviet Union...they've also aggressively expanded their naval presence all throughout the area and have a strong military base and naval base in Syria....Russia has been very militarily hawkish....on the other side of the world China has done the same in the Pacific.

 

[MarAzul]

Russia has invaded Crimea and amassed troops on both the Polish border and north of the Turkish pipeline....nothing to do with the Soviet Union...they've also aggressively expanded their naval presence all throughout the area and have a strong military base and naval base in Syria....Russia has been very militarily hawkish....on the other side of the world China has done the same in the Pacific.

Perhaps you are somewhat correct. What has that to do with Nato?


I don't see the Crimea as you paint the picture.
Russians live there. In the last century when a Ukrainian dictator of the Soviet Union gave the Crimea to the Ukraine, it did not much matter, they were still Russian living in the Soviet Union. But now it is a different deal after the Ukraine broke away from the USSR. Now there are Russian living under the rule of Ukrainians and not very compatibly. Apparently they had a vote to return to Russia. I don't think it is in our interest to interfere in this political realignment that has centuries of history involved.

 

[yankeesince59]

Nato Stronger? I often wonder why we need Nato? The Soviet Union is no more. Why are we on the hook to defend Albania? If Libya attacks Albania, are you willing to send your young ones to do the honorable battle?
Why do the Dems think Russia is the same as the Soviet Union? Do you real think we need to defend Albania from Russia?

It seems like Nato should be considered a relic of the Twentieth Century. It did a job but no longer needed.


...lol, because the integral part of "NATO" is the word "treaty" and "an attack on one is an attack on ALL"...and I hate to break it to you but people who enlist in the military do not have a say in where they are sent to fight and neither do their parents.
...and are you seriously saying that Putin/Russia is not a threat?...hey, using your pretzel logic, maybe we should just disband our armed forces all together.




Ha! I suppose you have your reasons to be in a rush to judge. I do not. I do not mind waiting to see how events play out.


...pretty much what I thought...you have no problem questioning my opinion but you won't offer up your own...how very compelling.

 

[MarAzul]

I believe I did offer you my opinion. Hang in there mate, don't get yourself over worked before you need to weigh in.

 

[MarAzul]

I really must question the sanity of people that use the term "Treason" or "Traitor". These word have a very specific meaning defined in the Constitution, in time of war.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them"
We have no warfare declared with Russia! No one should pretend we do. Worse yet, no one should want that state of affairs to exist.

In my view the use of the term can only be characterized as Sedition.

 

[riverman]

I don't see the Crimea as you paint the picture.
Russians live there.

Russians live in Oregon too...the former Soviet Union is filled with countries that formerly were "Russians" …..no picture to paint...invasion of a sovereign nation is invasion...nothing to do with the ethnic population of the country...China doesn't get to invade Taiwan because they have common bloodlines

 

[yankeesince59]

I believe I did offer you my opinion. Hang in there mate, don't get yourself over worked before you need to weigh in.

...Uhh, no, you didn't...unless your tap dancing is intentional go back and read again.

...I asked you..."what's your "view of the right thing". Yes or no, do you honestly think Trump handled himself properly with the best interests of the U.S. during the summit?"

You replied, and I quote, "Ha! I suppose you have your reasons to be in a rush to judge. I do not. I do not mind waiting to see how events play out."




...remember now?...and why would I be "worked up"... you haven't really been much of a debater during this convo but if it helps you to feel otherwise, I'm happy for you...no, really.

 

[MarAzul]

China doesn't get to invade Taiwan because they have common bloodlines

As far as I know, the people of Taiwan did not vote to rejoin China either.

 

[riverman]

As far as I know, the people of Taiwan did not vote to rejoin China either.

this has nothing to do with my comparison...and actually the KMT (Kuomingtang) has a lot of members that are pro China....doesn't change that a sovereign nation has the right to be such without invasion or threat of invasion....your point is lacking concerning this...Crimea did not vote to reunite with Russia either..they were forced by military threat...you seem to weigh on the side of Russian expansion.....Syria is their puppet now too which gave them the naval port they've been craving forever...I'm guessing you think Poland, Latvia, etc...should just bow down to the military threat of Russia as well

 

[yankeesince59]

I really must question the sanity of people that use the term "Treason" or "Traitor". These word have a very specific meaning defined in the Constitution, in time of war.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them"
We have no warfare declared with Russia! No one should pretend we do. Worse yet, no one should want that state of affairs to exist.

In my view the use of the term can only be characterized as Sedition.

...aww c'mon man...now you're just splitting hairs...and summoning the grammar police?

 

[MarAzul]

Crimea did not vote to reunite with Russia either

You have Crimean Russians in your own town that will tell you they did vote to return.

 

[riverman]

You have Crimean Russians in your own town that will tell you they did vote to return.

with a gun to the head.....Ukranians are dealing with the same thing....Russian is the most popular second language in Oregon...only state in the US that can make that claim. I've learned to never judge a country by it's expats and their political leanings....otherwise why would they want to leave home? Look at Ireland's history......sure there are British loyalists...you think most Irish want to reunite with England?

 

[riverman]

Putin, like Kim jong un kills his competition...vote for Putin or die....support Kim or die....strong arm politics

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Russians live in Oregon too...the former Soviet Union is filled with countries that formerly were "Russians" …..no picture to paint...invasion of a sovereign nation is invasion...nothing to do with the ethnic population of the country...China doesn't get to invade Taiwan because they have common bloodlines

Naw, just Hong Kong...and yes, I do understand the 100 year lease situation, but you must also be aware that the US recognized them as a separate entity.

 

[MarAzul]

otherwise why would they want to leave home

I am no expert on the area, no claim at all. But from what I hear is there is really bad blood between the Crimean
Russians and the Ukrainians stemming for WWII when many of the Ukrainians sided with the Nazis against the Russians in the area.

Now, like I say, I don't know. But I do not think it is the US's job to sort this shit out. You may want to see Putin
bitch slapped, over this or affronts to Obama, but I do not.
Crimea is now part of Russia as it has long been but for a few years, the last 20.

I see nothing to fix here.

 

[riverman]

I am no expert on the area, no claim at all. But from what I hear is there is really bad blood between the Crimean
Russians and the Ukrainians stemming for WWII when many of the Ukrainians sided with the Nazis against the Russians in the area.

Now, like I say, I don't know. But I do not think it is the US's job to sort this shit out. You may want to see Putin
bitch slapped, over this or affronts to Obama, but I do not.
Crimea is now part of Russia as it has long been but for a few years, the last 20.

I see nothing to fix here.

The conflict originated in March 2014 when unmarked Russian soldiers seized the Crimean peninsula in Ukraine, an invasion that followed Ukraine’s ousting of a pro-Moscow leader. Despite denials from Russian President Vladimir Putin at the time that the troops belonged to Russia, he later admitted that he deployed them…..your numbers don't add up...they invaded in March of 2014 that's not 20 years

 

[barfo]

In my view the use of the term can only be characterized as Sedition.

Ever hear of the first amendment?

Also, wanting to get rid of Trump is not sedition. Trump is not himself the government. Not yet, anyway.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

For the most part, I have to agree with you. Excepting that while the GOP does have a slim lead in both houses, they are not and never have been as polarized as the Dems. Without help on both sides of the isle, the President can not advance an agenda.

If one takes an honest look at this administration in historical context, he is no better or worse than what we have had in the past. Most of us realize the Obama spent eight years pitting segments of the population against each other for political gain. This practice is not unusual and has historically been common place. Where he was able to take it to another level is with the advent of social media.

I look at some of the most well thought of presidents, from FDR, Kennedy, Teddy all the way back to Lincoln, Jefferson and Adams..all of these guys would be torn to ribbons in today's environment. Then, just for fun, take a close look at the less popular Presidents..Washington has been a cesspool of corruption for almost two hundred years.

The Democrats are a "big tent" party. There's always gonna be some petty bickering.

 

[Lanny]

...what?...of the previous POTUS's (conservative and liberal), which of them was as maniacal and insulting and bombastic and as clueless as Trump?

...what's your "view of the right thing". Yes or no, do you honestly think Trump handled himself properly with the best interests of the U.S. during the summit?


...a simple yes or no will do.

You'll never get that yes or no.

 

[Lanny]

For the most part, I have to agree with you. Excepting that while the GOP does have a slim lead in both houses, they are not and never have been as polarized as the Dems. Without help on both sides of the isle, the President can not advance an agenda.

If one takes an honest look at this administration in historical context, he is no better or worse than what we have had in the past. Most of us realize the Obama spent eight years pitting segments of the population against each other for political gain. This practice is not unusual and has historically been common place. Where he was able to take it to another level is with the advent of social media.

I look at some of the most well thought of presidents, from FDR, Kennedy, Teddy all the way back to Lincoln, Jefferson and Adams..all of these guys would be torn to ribbons in today's environment. Then, just for fun, take a close look at the less popular Presidents..Washington has been a cesspool of corruption for almost two hundred years.

I took one look at this guy on the Letterman Late Night show 10 years ago and could see he was a pile of shit.

 

[Lanny]

For the most part, I have to agree with you. Excepting that while the GOP does have a slim lead in both houses, they are not and never have been as polarized as the Dems. Without help on both sides of the isle, the President can not advance an agenda.

If one takes an honest look at this administration in historical context, he is no better or worse than what we have had in the past. Most of us realize the Obama spent eight years pitting segments of the population against each other for political gain. This practice is not unusual and has historically been common place. Where he was able to take it to another level is with the advent of social media.

I look at some of the most well thought of presidents, from FDR, Kennedy, Teddy all the way back to Lincoln, Jefferson and Adams..all of these guys would be torn to ribbons in today's environment. Then, just for fun, take a close look at the less popular Presidents..Washington has been a cesspool of corruption for almost two hundred years.

I don't think our past Presidents have belonged in a cesspool. It used to be that we looked up to our President not down.

 

[riverman]

Naw, just Hong Kong...and yes, I do understand the 100 year lease situation, but you must also be aware that the US recognized them as a separate entity.

hong kong has nothing to do with the China Taiwan standoff....Hong Kong was a territory under lease....Taiwan has it's own independent govt..money..army..etc….I've been to Hong Kong over a dozen times...used to be Cantonese businessmen...last time I went it was filled with mainland Chinese...Taiwan lost it's UN status under Jimmy Carter's watch and has a few diplomatic embassies in the world today..and a pro independence president...the 3rd one in their history...Taiwan is a pure democracy.with a huge industrial base..Hong Kong was a shopping mall. Wealthy Cantonese from HK fled the island in droves when the communists showed up...the Cantonese are money making capitalists to the core

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The Democrats are a "big tent" party. There's always gonna be some petty bickering.

Yeah, they do cast a wide net. They do vote more in lock step than the GOP.

I took one look at this guy on the Letterman Late Night show 10 years ago and could see he was a pile of shit.

As compared to who? Shall we take a look at some of the personalities in the DNC? I have mixed feelings about the guy, what does appeal is that he is not in favor with the left or the right. Lets face it, the political machine is broken, it has been for damn near two hundred years. The lobbies have made their interests priority over the will of the people.

I don't think our past Presidents have belonged in a cesspool. It used to be that we looked up to our President not down.

Then they need to move the White House out of Washington.

Yeah, we are of an age that we in fact were taught to respect the office. A very innocent time. I can only think of two past Presidents that I hold in such esteem, and that could stand up to today's media scrutiny. Ike and Ronnie. Back in the day, the media protected the office, you had to go back to Lincoln, Taft, Harding hmmm Grant, to see the press savage the sitting Pres, and they had no where near the ability to be effective.

For kicks, think about how the press would handle Teddy, or FDR. Hell, throw in JFK or Johnson today. It would be a blood bath.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

hong kong has nothing to do with the China Taiwan standoff....Hong Kong was a territory under lease....Taiwan has it's own independent govt..money..army..etc….I've been to Hong Kong over a dozen times...used to be Cantonese businessmen...last time I went it was filled with mainland Chinese...Taiwan lost it's UN status under Jimmy Carter's watch and has a few diplomatic embassies in the world today..and a pro independence president...the 3rd one in their history...Taiwan is a pure democracy.with a huge industrial base..Hong Kong was a shopping mall. Wealthy Cantonese from HK fled the island in droves when the communists showed up...the Cantonese are money making capitalists to the core

Yeah..well stated. In truth, they are both situations that are shameful. China is as bad or worse than Russia, hell, to create man made islands in international waters, or in disputed seaways, is another abuse that should not be.

 

[riverman]

For kicks, think about how the press would handle Teddy, or FDR. Hell, throw in JFK or Johnson today. It would be a blood bath.

It was much worse long ago....pre internet they could really pull the wool over the public's eyes