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Orion Bailey said:
And I am not saying I agree or its right, but it will drive up costs on everyday goods that companies have been using illegals for cheap labor. Once that ends, expect to pay 6 dollars foe a gallon of milk and 5 dollars for a carton of eggs and stuff like that. Consumer goods will raise in costs because the labor costs will increase.
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This is the opposite of what people say when minimum wage hikes are discussed.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/23/f...rump-could-actually-make-mexico-pay-for-wall/

Former Mexican Diplomat: Trump Could Actually Make Mexico Pay For Wall

Mexico’s former Minister of Foreign Affairs warned Thursday that a President Donald Trump could actually get the country to pay for a wall.

“I think we should be serious about this,” Jorge Castaneda said at the Hudson Institute in comments first reported by The Weekly Standard. “If [Trump] really wants Mexicans to pay for the wall, he has many ways of getting many Mexicans to pay for the wall.”

Castaneda, who served as Foreign Minister of Mexico from 2000 to 2003, went on to criticize the proposal of a Mexican senator who wants to stop Mexican money from potentially going towards building a wall. “I like the Senator who proposed something, Armando Rios Piter’s,” he said. “He’s a nice guy, he’s a good friend, he’s an intelligent fellow, but this is not serious – proposal to forbid Mexican federal money from being used for paying the wall.”

The former diplomat said Trump could force Mexico to foot the bill for a border wall by increasing visa fees, which is a decision made by the State Department, not Congress. Or he could increase the toll on bridges through the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, or through taxing remittances. “There are ways of doing it,” he said, adding: “So that’s silly, Rios Piter’s thing, es una tonteria [Spanish for it’s silly].
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Meh.
 
Denny Crane said:
The ones that advocate single payer.
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Should we get rid of Medicare? Should seniors have to pay for their health care? Should we get rid of the VA which is complete socialism? It's irritating how you try to spin it when you talk about the VA and when you talk about the military not being socialist. It's complete bull when you do. Our military, which will pay your back child support, is the most socialist entity on the planet. We already have single-payer in this country. It's just not Nationwide.
 
dviss1 said:
Should we get rid of Medicare? Should seniors have to pay for their health care? Should we get rid of the VA which is complete socialism? It's irritating how you try to spin it when you talk about the VA and when you talk about the military not being socialist. It's complete bull when you do. Our military, which will pay your back child support, is the most socialist entity on the planet. We already have single-payer in this country. It's just not Nationwide.
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The VA is not complete socialism. It's part of raising an army. The people who serve have to be paid.

That said, VA health care doesn't have the greatest reputation. If that's what you want for us all, no thank you.
 
Denny Crane said:
The VA is not complete socialism. It's part of raising an army. The people who serve have to be paid.

That said, VA health care doesn't have the greatest reputation. If that's what you want for us all, no thank you.
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But regardless of that reputation, 82% of veterans are happy with their care...

And will just agree to disagree that it is complete socialism even though you got more spin on it than a dreidel.
 
The problem with changing anything is that except for extreme cases change always hurts someone.

For instance how they calculate my vacation rate of pay. I'm commission so they average how much I really make not my hourly rate. They used to do it by the prior year. Now they go by the previous 3 months. I preferred the year because I'm consistent but now if I have one or two bad weeks prior to taking my vacation I can lose money.

So, vets may be happy with their care but if we made it better for everyone someone might miss the old way.
 
dviss1 said:
But regardless of that reputation, 82% of veterans are happy with their care...

And will just agree to disagree that it is complete socialism even though you got more spin on it than a dreidel.
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It isn't complete socialism. If it were, everyone would have to participate. Even veterans don't have to.

The actual spin is to claim it is pure socialism.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-veterans-around-america-really-think-about-the-va-2014-5

Here's What Veterans Around America REALLY Think About The VA

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs became an explosive political story this week, culminating with the resignation of VA Secretary Eric Shinseki.

The final straw appeared to be a report that described chronic wait times at the Phoenix hospital and found that about 1,700 veterans in need of care were "at risk of being lost or forgotten."

The VA and independent investigators with the Office of Inspector General are still in the process of uncovering problems at dozens of other VA facilities around the country while some lawmakers are calling for criminal probes.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-veterans-around-america-really-think-about-the-va-2014-5

Here's What Veterans Around America REALLY Think About The VA

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs became an explosive political story this week, culminating with the resignation of VA Secretary Eric Shinseki.

The final straw appeared to be a report that described chronic wait times at the Phoenix hospital and found that about 1,700 veterans in need of care were "at risk of being lost or forgotten."

The VA and independent investigators with the Office of Inspector General are still in the process of uncovering problems at dozens of other VA facilities around the country while some lawmakers are calling for criminal probes.
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I'm forking out a lot of money for insurance every month just to avoid VA medical "care". The VA is strictly my last resort if all else fails.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I'm forking out a lot of money for insurance every month just to avoid VA medical "care". The VA is strictly my last resort if all else fails.
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"Last resort" is exactly what it should be. That's what a "safety net" actually is.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
The problem with changing anything is that except for extreme cases change always hurts someone.
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Well, yeah. But I thought change was what Trump voters wanted?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
It isn't complete socialism. If it were, everyone would have to participate. Even veterans don't have to.

The actual spin is to claim it is pure socialism.
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Similarly, the actual spin is to claim a proposal for single payer is pure socialism.

barfo
 
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barfo said:
Similarly, the actual spin is to claim a proposal for single payer is pure socialism.

barfo
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It's not called "socialized medicine " because of spin.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not called "socialized medicine " because of spin.
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Sure it is. We don't call the fire department 'socialized fire protection', do we?

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
We got us a Bizzarfo sighting. Until the last paragraph the post was equivalent to a Ted Kacynski diatribe.

Republicans are brainwashed and nuts, this reminds me of libs appropriating "snowflake"

I'm going to walk a mile in a liberals shoes today, how you say? I'm going to walk up to people skinnier than me and call them fat. Keeping a straight face seems like it will be the real challenge. Any tips?
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You equate Democrat with a "lib".

Ignorance.
 
Denny Crane said:
Fire departments charge for services. I should have translated the article to crayon. Looks like.
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Some do. Some don't. The ones that don't, we don't call 'socialized fire protection'.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Some do. Some don't. The ones that don't, we don't call 'socialized fire protection'.

barfo
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It's not single payer, federally owned.

Keep bringing this weak stuff.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's not single payer, federally owned.

Keep bringing this weak stuff.
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Some fire protection actually is federal, but whatever.

So you'd be fine with single-payer, as long as it was done at the state or local level?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Some fire protection actually is federal, but whatever.

So you'd be fine with single-payer, as long as it was done at the state or local level?

barfo
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Fire and police aren't single payer. But if they were, they may be a rare exception to any objections I have with creating a too powerful state.

If it is to be done, the municipal or county level is the place to implement it.
 
Vicente Fox: " Mexico won't pay for that fucking wall!"
 
Chris Craig said:
Vicente Fox: " Mexico won't pay for that fucking wall!"
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Clinton: I never had sex with that woman.
Clinton 2.0: I never sent classified information from my private account.
Obama: If you like your doctor...

Things politicians say aren't always how things happen.

But I do agree it's on Trump to extract the cost of his wall from Mexico.
 
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