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Denny Crane said:
Trump to extract the cost of his wall from Mexico.
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Yep, I still think he will extract some of the cost from the money sent back to Mexico by workers here in the US.
But I also think he has already taken a huge cut of it, simply with the factories that will not now be built in Mexico. Carrier, Ford...
 
MarAzul said:
I see Sly's opinion, but perhaps you have something to give me a clue what a Liberal Republican does?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Republican_Party_(United_States)

In Laymen's terms:

A Republican is someone who wants small government and low taxes. A liberal is someone who believes in individual liberties and freedoms. Someone who wants small government and low taxes could easily be a liberal. I am a liberal republican in that sense.

A liberal Republic differs from a Conservative republican in a few ways ,but none more so prominent than ideals on Global Warming and Humans effects on the planet.
Jeb Bush and John McCain would have been one.
Roosevelt would have been one.
 
Nixon was a liberal republican.

What's called a "liberal" today isn't for individual freedom, they're for individual mandates.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
The VA is strictly my last resort if all else fails.
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I would recommend you take the time to apply to be accepted into the system. Even if you do not plan to use it. I felt just like you expressed before Obama fucked me over.
Thankfully, I had already been accepted into the VA system a couple years prior. It took about a year to get accepted.
 
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Let's see, FDR, Nixon, Bush, McCain are the examples. Geez! I would never vote for any of these, and I had my chance on all but FDR whom I find to have been mostly a socialist until he was over taken by feeble mindedness. Not quite sure where to place that point in history.

I really prefer a representative that will follow the original intent of the Constitution. That usually is a Republican Libertarian whom keeps his religion mostly private and rarely invokes god except when speaking of peoples rights. (Rand Paul comes to mind)

(FDR and follow the Constitution can't be used in the same conversation.).
 
What I want in Leader is different than what I want in a Representative.
First and foremost the Leader must have the unusual character and charisma to naturely attract the followers. If he doesn't have this then it doesn't matter what else he brings.
Rand Paul was my first choice in this election, but he failed to demonstrate this quality right up front in the contest. Donald Trump took the ball and never gave it up.
So far Trump, talks the talk of following the Constitution, leaving Americans with their liberty, and will see that the laws are enforced.
Wonderful, no complaints to date, what so ever.
 
MarAzul said:
Let's see, FDR, Nixon, Bush, McCain are the examples. Geez! I would never vote for any of these, and I had my chance on all but FDR whom I find to have been mostly a socialist until he was over taken by feeble mindedness. Not quite sure where to place that point in history.

I really prefer a representative that will follow the original intent of the Constitution. That usually is a Republican Libertarian whom keeps his religion mostly private and rarely invokes god except when speaking of peoples rights. (Rand Paul comes to mind)

(FDR and follow the Constitution can't be used in the same conversation.).
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Not everyone is correct on all levels of every type of ideal ( religion,education,military,social aid, etc), but you just said it. You prefer a Republican Libertarian. A Liberal Republican. I bet we are closer in thinking than not. Much like music genres of today. Too many individual thinkers have created confusion among the terms of represented beliefs of government and politics.

Its like, is it Alternative punk Rock or is it Punk ALternative?
 
MarAzul said:
>> Could be.



>> uh, what ever you know is more than I know here.
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Classical music is now broken down into more category than I care for.

Country music is the same. Take your music of choice and its watered down and over defined.

Quality music is quality music.
 
And quality government is quality government, regardless of the label of the party. Meaning there have been both Dems and Republicans who have been great for this country.
And even then their views are not of 100% of the nations.

JFK great Dem.
Lincoln great Reb.

Both still had faults and we could try to dissect them and subcategorize all we want, but in the end tbe bulk of the nation still believes both were great presidents.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And quality government is quality government, regardless of the label of the party. Meaning there have been both Dems and Republicans who have been great for this country.
And even then their views are not of 100% of the nations.

JFK great Dem.
Lincoln great Reb.

Both still had faults and we could try to dissect them and subcategorize all we want, but in the end tbe bulk of the nation still believes both were great presidents.
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I could ruin a fine day of agreements here, but I won't. I did vote for JFK though.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Politics have been ruining things for a while, have at it. :)
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Ok, you ask for it.

JFK was the charismatic leader of his day, where as Nixon was a black cloud and a rogue to boot, so voting for Kennedy was the easy choice for me.
But I do think he fucked up talking with Khrushchev, giving the appearance of weakness that dam near got us into war. Damn! Those were bad days, I had pretty much resigned myself to not getting back, and just thought, fuck it just do it! But all turned out well and that is what most people will remember. In my mind Kennedy was more like a Republican than any Democrat of today.

I studied Lincoln much when I was young and again since Obama became President. I think those two are both the same Character type in the Keirsey temperament sense. Probably both INFP's.
The only ones of that type to have managed to become President. Both leading by following Feeling in their decision making rather than relying on logic.

Where as Obama has only managed to divide the people of this Nation on political and racial lines, more than we have been in years, Lincoln got it done! The only President to lead us into civil war! No where in the Constitution does he have the power to start a war with States that decide to leave the Union. All of written history blames South Caroline for starting the war, but the fact is, Lincoln's actions were the first war like actions taken. When he ordered Federal troops to occupy the abandon fort Sumter which at that time was then, territory of another country. And then again when he ordered a blockade of Charleston, another act of war. So then he got his war.

So today people read in history how Lincoln freed the Slaves! Well hell, he didn't do that until his countrymen in the North became sick of his war, the most costly in lives as any war in US history.
Damn near one person lost there life for every slave owner in the United State and nearly one for every three slaves. To do this he spent in treasure, well over 10 tiimes the market value of the slaves if he had tried to purchase them, which he did not ever try to do.

He ignored the Constitution in his endeavorers, more than any other President in history with only Franklin Roosevelt being close. As the First Republican President, he wasn't even close to what a Republican is suppose to show in the way they govern. But today he stands in the history taught, as perhaps the greatest President this nation has produce. Hell man, I don't want another even close to rivaling Lincoln!
 
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MarAzul said:
Yep, I still think he will extract some of the cost from the money sent back to Mexico by workers here in the US.
But I also think he has already taken a huge cut of it, simply with the factories that will not now be built in Mexico. Carrier, Ford...
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Your saying he's gonna pick up some illegals by the local home depot and make them work, then not pay them....wow

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MarAzul said:
I could ruin a fine day of agreements here, but I won't. I did vote for JFK though.
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Sad that you voted against Lincoln, but I'm sure you had your reasons.

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Become a billionaire and you won't want to do your own laundry. If you're broke and Bill Gates would let you live in his mansion and enjoy the pool and theater and gym and bowling alley wouldn't you work your ass off cleaning up if you thought he'd let you stay if you did so? Especially if your other choice was homelessness.
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>How do we become billionaires? Unfortunately we are in the 99%. I suppose you have to massacre everyone in your way to become a multi millionaire and chop off heads to achieve billionaire status Putin is worth 70 Billion!!!
 
U.S. will pay for the wall but the steel and other materials will come from Russia.

China will supply the workers and engineers.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Classical music is now broken down into more category than I care for.

Country music is the same. Take your music of choice and its watered down and over defined.

Quality music is quality music.
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You sound like @dviss1: "For me, there's two genres of music. There's good music, and there's $#!* that sucks!"
 
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