Politics Trump’s support for background check bill shows gun politics ‘shifting rapidly’

[MARIS61]

And yet you believe these people should be able to buy all the guns they want, lol.

The DNC says they should be able to vote, so you better afford them all other rights citizens have.

Again, they've paid for their crime and deserve a fresh start. That's another difference our FREE COUNTRY has with the rest of the world.

If you don't think they've paid for their crime, tell your reps to enforce our current laws to their fullest.

The entire reason Oregon has a few mandatory minimum laws is because our mostly liberal activist judges refused to hand out appropriate sentences, so we voted in the atrocious Measure 11 to take the "judgement" out of the "judges" hands.

A better idea would be to legislate a better way to seat judges, and an easier process for removing them when their personal/political views impede their duty.

 

[dviss1]

Oh calm your tits brother. All I said was that I found it strange that he's suddenly at the forefront of this debate. In fact, I specifically said that I'm not one to believe in conspiracies, and I don't believe there's one here. I just find it strange that he's suddenly everywhere at once.

You should never have even posted it. It's foul...

Be that kid for a second....

 

[barfo]

Why would tearing down the school be odd? What did you want them to do with it?

Convert it into a brothel? Sandy Hookers.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

The DNC says they should be able to vote, so you better afford them all other rights citizens have.

This isn't true at all.

 

[Nate]

Poll: 97 percent support background checks for all gun buyers

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-support-background-checks-for-all-gun-buyers

What guns dont need a background check?

I had to wait at the store for an hour while they did that when I got my Glock.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What guns dont need a background check?

I had to wait at the store for an hour while they did that when I got my Glock.

It's not the guns that need a background check, it's the people that want to buy them that do.

Especially Maris. He needs lots of background checks.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

What guns dont need a background check?

I had to wait at the store for an hour while they did that when I got my Glock.

I couldn't buy a fucking shotgun because I had moved and my license didn't have my new address on it. Couldn't believe it.

 

[Cippy91]

So why the FUCK are you upset if I'm not talking to you? I can say whatever the fuck I want.

I’m not upset sir

 

[MARIS61]

This isn't true at all.

Absolutely 100% true.

You don't even know your own party's running points?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/02/give-felons-vote-kevin-d-williamson/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d4870a079da_story.html?utm_term=.a572535c883d

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx

In liberal Oregon for instance, felons regain their voting right upon leaving prison. In some states they never lose them, even voting while incarcerated.


In summary:

• In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.
• In 14 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.
• In 22 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.
• In 12 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, or face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) before voting rights can be restored. These states are listed in the fourth category on Table 1. Details on these states are found in California passed legislation allowing those in county jails to vote while incarcerated, but not those in state or federal prison.
  
  (3) In Maryland, convictions for buying or selling votes can only be restored through pardon.
  
  HB 282 defined which crimes fit this category (Ala. Code § 17-3-30.1).
  
  
  Arizona
  
  A conviction for a felony suspends the rights of the person to vote (A.R.S. § 13-904) unless they have been restored to civil rights (Ariz. Const. Art. 7 § 2). First time offenders have rights restored upon completion of probation and payment of any fine or restitution (A.R.S. § 13-912). A person who has been convicted of two or more felonies may have civil rights restored by the judge who discharges him at the end of the term of probation or by applying to the court for restoration of rights (A.R.S. § 13-905).
  
  Delaware
  
  People who are convicted of disqualifying felonies (murder, bribery, sexual offenses) are permanently disenfranchised. Those disqualified as a voter because of another type of felony shall have the disqualification removed upon being pardoned or after the expiration of the sentence, whichever comes first (Del. Const., Art. 5, § 2). In 2013 (HB 10) Delaware removed its five-year waiting period, allowing those convicted of non-disqualifying offenses to vote upon completion of sentence and supervision.
  
  Florida
  
  Upon conviction of a felony, the civil rights of the person convicted shall be suspended in Florida until such rights are restored by a full pardon, conditional pardon, or restoration of civil rights by the governor (Flor. Const. Art. 4 § 8, F.S.A. § 944.292). The Executive Clemency Board sets the rules for restoration of civil rights, which includes a 5- or 7-year waiting period, depending on the seriousness of the offense. There is a list of crimes for which an individual may never apply for rights restoration.
  
  Iowa
  
  A person convicted of any infamous crime shall not be entitled to the privilege of an elector (Iowa Const. Art. 2, § 5). In 2016 the Iowa Supreme Court upheld the ban on felon voting, finding that all felonies are “infamous crimes” resulting in permanent disenfranchisement (Griffin v. Pate, 2016). The ability of the governor to restore voting rights to persons convicted of infamous crimes through pardoning power was upheld in State v. Richardson, 2017. In 2005 Governor Tom Vilsack restored voting rights to individuals with former felony convictions via executive order. Governor Terry Branstad reversed this executive order in 2011.
  
  Kentucky
  
  “Persons convicted of treason, or felony, or bribery in an election, or of such high misdemeanor as the General Assembly may declare shall operate as an exclusion from the right of suffrage, but persons hereby excluded may be restored to their civil rights by executive pardon” (KY Const. § 145). Governor Steve Beshear restored voting rights to individuals with former non-violent felony convictions via executive order in 2015. Governor Matt Bevin reversed this executive order shortly after taking office in 2015. The Department of Corrections is required to promulgate administrative regulations for restoration of civil rights to eligible felony offenders (KRS §196.045).
  
  Mississippi
  
  “A person convicted of murder, rape, bribery, theft, arson, obtaining money or goods under false pretense, perjury, forgery, embezzlement or bigamy is no longer considered a qualified elector” (Miss. Const. Art. 12, § 241). If an individual hasn’t committed one of these offenses, rights are automatically restored. If an individual has been convicted of one of these, he or she can still receive a pardon from the governor to restore voting rights (Miss. Code Ann. § 47-7-41) or by a two-thirds vote of both houses of the legislature (Miss. Const. Art. 12, § 253).
  
  Nebraska
  
  In felony cases, there is a two-year waiting period after completion of probation for the restoration of voting rights (Neb. Rev. St. § 29-2264).
  
  Nevada
  
  First-time, non-violent offenders have rights restored upon completion of sentence. Those that have committed a violent crime or two or more felonies may petition a court to grant the restoration of civil rights (N.R.S. 213.157).
  
  Tennessee
  
  The Tennessee Constitution denies the right to vote persons convicted of an infamous crime (Tenn. Const. Art. 1, § 5). Any felony is considered an “infamous crime” and disqualifies a person from exercising the right of suffrage (T.C.A. § 40-20-112). Those convicted of infamous crimes may petition for restoration upon completion of the sentence or be pardoned by the governor (T.C.A. § 40-29-101, § 2-19-143). Proof of restoration is needed in order to register to vote (T.C.A. § 2-2-139).
  
  Virginia
  
  No person who has been convicted of a felony shall be qualified to vote unless his civil rights have been restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority (VA Const. Art. 2, § 1). The Department of Corrections is required to provide persons convicted of felonies with information regarding voting rights restoration, and assist with the process established by the governor for the review of applications (VA Code Ann. § 53.1-231.1 et seq.). In 2016, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe announced an executive order automatically restoring voting rights to convicted felons who have completed their prison sentence and their term of supervised release (parole or probation) as of April 22, 2016. The Virginia Supreme Court subsequently ruled that rights restoration needs to take place on an individual basis, rather than en masse.
  
  Wyoming
  
  A person convicted of a felony is not a qualified elector unless his rights are restored (W.S. § 6-10-106). For persons convicted of nonviolent felonies or a first-time offender, rights are restored automatically (W.S. § 7-13-105). Persons who do not meet the above qualifications must be pardoned (W.S. § 6-10-106).
  
  [paste:font size="5"]HB 282 provided a list of felonies that involve “moral turpitude” that disqualify a person from exercising his or her right to vote. Previously there was no comprehensive, authoritative source for defining a disenfranchising crime in Alabama.
  
  In 2017, Wyoming enacted HB75 automatically restoring the rights of nonviolent felons.
  
  In 2017, Louisiana enacted HB 168 improving reporting requirements between The Department of Public Safety and Corrections and the Department of State.
  
  In 2016, California passed legislation allowing those in county jails to vote while incarcerated, but not state or federal prison. In 2017 California passed additional legislation requiring information be provided about voting rights restoration on the internet and in person to felons exiting prison.
  
  In 2016, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe announced an executive order automatically restoring voting rights to convicted felons who have completed their prison sentence and their term of supervised release (parole or probation) as of April 22. This decision was a source of contention with the legislature. In July 2016, the Virginia Supreme Court overturned the order.
  
  In 2016, Maryland's legislature enacted HB 980 and SB 340 (overriding a veto) so that voting rights are automatically restored after completion of the term of incarceration.
  
  In 2015, outgoing Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear signed an executive order to automatically restore the right to vote (and to hold public office) to certain offenders, excluding those who were convicted of violent crimes, sex crimes, bribery, or treason. The order was reversed by incoming Governor Matt Bevin.
  
  In 2015, Wyoming enacted HB 15 requiring the department of corrections to issue a certification of restoration of voting rights to certain non-violent felons after completion of sentence.
  
  In 2013, Delaware eliminated the five-year waiting period before voting rights are restored.
  
  In 2013, Virginia Governor McDonnell signed an executive order creating new rights restoration processes for persons with prior felony convictions.
  
  In 2012, South Dakota mandated that felons on probation would not have voting rights restored. Previously, only felons on parole or incarcerated had their voting rights suspended.
  
  In 2011, the Florida Board of Executive Clemency (comprised of the governor and three cabinet members) reversed a 2007 policy change that automatically restored voting rights to non-violent offenders upon the completion of their sentence. The new policy requires that all ex-felons wait between five and seven years depending on the crime before applying to regain voting rights.
  
  In Iowa, the governor in 2011 reversed an executive order issued in 2005 under the previous governor. The 2005 order automatically restored the voting rights of all ex-felons, but under the 2011 order they will now have to apply to regain rights.
  
  In 2011 in Tennessee, HB 1117 was enacted, adding to the list of felons who are not eligible for automatic restoration.
  
  In 2009, Washington restored the right to vote to felons who completed their sentences, while requiring them to re-register to vote.
  
  Between 1996 and 2008, 28 states passed new laws on felon voting rights.
  
  
  • Seven repealed lifetime disenfranchisement laws, at least for some ex-offenders.
  • Two gave probationers the right to vote.
  • Seven improved data-sharing procedures among state agencies.
  • Nine passed requirements that ex-offenders be given information and/or assistance in regaining their voting rights at the time they complete their sentence.
  • Twelve simplified the process for regaining voting rights, for instance, by eliminating a waiting period or streamlining the paperwork process

 

[Further]

Perspective. That's all I want.

14,700,000 people in America die from cancer in a year while only 10,000 die from drunk driving - perspective, drunk driving isn't really a problem compared to caner, so fuck it. However, drunk driving is something that is preventable. Also, cancer has nothing to do with drunk driving, two separate topics. It's a bullshit argument. Unless you want to say these teenagers lives don't matter, then finding a way to stem mass shootings and gun violence is a problem that needs to be tackled. It's getting worse, and it's going to take decades of work to get significantly better. So, lets get off the schneid and see if we can actually make things better. By the logic of "perspective" there is only one thing, "heart disease" that ranks #1 in deaths in America so all other things don't really matter and shouldn't be worked on?

I think we are a nation of 317,000,000 folks who can work on solving more than one problem. Weren't you posting stuff about shootings in Chicago a while back? Only 615 people were murdered in Chicago while 13,000 were killed by guns in America and another 26,000 injured. Murders in Chicago are a real problem that need attention but if the "perspective" argument is applied then we bypass that topic and let the situation worsen since it's not heart disease.

 

[MARIS61]

It's not the guns that need a background check, it's the people that want to buy them that do.

Especially Maris. He needs lots of background checks.

I've probably had more Federal background checks than anyone here, maybe not BrianfromWA.

Federal employment with Top Secret clearance, I think 3 maybe 4 checks over time.

Realtor's license, FBI and Oregon State Police background check.

NICS background check awhile back for a gun.

 

[Further]

Every time I've bought or sold a gun, I've had to go through a background check. Whether it's at a gun show or at a gun shop.

Background checks aren't the issue.

I've only had one although I own several. I bought off armslist and no background check. And I was gifted one and no background check. Background checks are at gun shows and gun stores, but not citizen to citizen. One time I emailed on an account I started just for armslist and bought a gun legally and the person never even knew my name.

 

[MARIS61]

14,700,000 people in America die from cancer in a year while only 10,000 die from drunk driving - perspective, drunk driving isn't really a problem compared to caner, so fuck it. However, drunk driving is something that is preventable. Also, cancer has nothing to do with drunk driving, two separate topics. It's a bullshit argument. Unless you want to say these teenagers lives don't matter, then finding a way to stem mass shootings and gun violence is a problem that needs to be tackled. It's getting worse, and it's going to take decades of work to get significantly better. So, lets get off the schneid and see if we can actually make things better. By the logic of "perspective" there is only one thing, "heart disease" that ranks #1 in deaths in America so all other things don't really matter and shouldn't be worked on?

I think we are a nation of 317,000,000 folks who can work on solving more than one problem. Weren't you posting stuff about shootings in Chicago a while back? Only 615 people were murdered in Chicago while 13,000 were killed by guns in America and another 26,000 injured. Murders in Chicago are a real problem that need attention but if the "perspective" argument is applied then we bypass that topic and let the situation worsen since it's not heart disease.

Cancer actually kills people. It makes sense to work towards a cure that would prevent those deaths.

No gun has ever killed anyone. No car has ever killed anyone. Regulating ownership of them will not prevent deaths.

Bad people have killed people, using all kinds of methods.

Bad people kill people. Have the stones to put the blame where it belongs.

Have the mental acuity to recognize you're being played by propaganda experts intent on enslaving you.

In 2017, including the Vegas murders, about 250 people were murdered using rifles. 250 the entire year.

In 2017, about 700 people were murdered using bare fists and feet. Clearly we should chop off everybody's hands and feet to prevent those 700 deaths.

Your post is idiotic.

 

[MARIS61]

I've only had one although I own several. I bought off armslist and no background check. And I was gifted one and no background check. Background checks are at gun shows and gun stores, but not citizen to citizen. One time I emailed on an account I started just for armslist and bought a gun legally and the person never even knew my name.

Background checks are (UnConstitutionally) required in Oregon and most other states even if the sale is private, citizen to citizen.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I've probably had more Federal background checks than anyone here, maybe not BrianfromWA.

Federal employment with Top Secret clearance, I think 3 maybe 4 checks over time.

Realtor's license, FBI and Oregon State Police background check.

NICS background check awhile back for a gun.

And you managed to keep the bodies hidden in the bunker!

Nice job, I knew there was a reason I liked you.

 

[MARIS61]

And you managed to keep the bodies hidden in the bunker!

Nice job, I knew there was a reason I liked you.

As I've told you many times, I have no bunker.

A bit claustrophobic actually.

Besides, my property is on the Little Deschutes River with a high water table.

My well has a static water level of 7', and if I had a bunker it would be flooded most of the year.

Besides, a body left in the woods here in Beautifully Wild Central Oregon would be consumed by critters in about a week.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

As I've told you many times, I have no bunker.

A bit claustrophobic actually.

Besides, my property is on the Little Deschutes River with a high water table.

My well has a static water level of 7', and if I had a bunker it would be flooded most of the year.

Besides, a body left in the woods here in Beautifully Wild Central Oregon would be consumed by critters in about a week.

First rule of having a secret bunker...

 

[MARIS61]

Do you agree with Jade on every single topic, every opinion he has about anything, you agree with him 100%?

barfo

Only when he's right.

 

[MARIS61]

Here's that opportunistic kid's Dad, an FBI agent and ardent Democrat supporter.

 

[AFully22]

Jesus Christ, the OT section looks very similar to the comment section on an Info Wars video.

 

[MARIS61]

No, violent felons are released from prison all the time.

Are you saying that once released from prison they should be able to buy guns?

I'm saying once they are released from prison, having served their time, they are not felons, they are ex-felons.

I support their freedoms just as I support yours.

 

[MARIS61]

Jesus Christ, the OT section looks very similar to comments on an Info Wars video.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

That's exactly what I did. This is the first time I've posted in the OT in months. Had to take a break from the constant "Fuck Trump" atmosphere around here, ya know?

Fuck Trump. Interest in guns is a mental illness.

Jesus Christ, the OT section looks very similar to the comment section on an Info Wars video.

The OT Forum is a hotbed for authoritarian fascism, so yeah.

 

[AFully22]

View attachment 18794

It’s not the heat that’s the problem it’s whats being cooked. Smells like my mother in laws cooking.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The OT Forum is a hotbed for authoritarian fascism, so yeah.

 

[Further]

Cancer actually kills people. It makes sense to work towards a cure that would prevent those deaths.

No gun has ever killed anyone. No car has ever killed anyone. Regulating ownership of them will not prevent deaths.

Bad people have killed people, using all kinds of methods.

Bad people kill people. Have the stones to put the blame where it belongs.

Have the mental acuity to recognize you're being played by propaganda experts intent on enslaving you.

In 2017, including the Vegas murders, about 250 people were murdered using rifles. 250 the entire year.

In 2017, about 700 people were murdered using bare fists and feet. Clearly we should chop off everybody's hands and feet to prevent those 700 deaths.

Your post is idiotic.

hands are used for other things than damage. The purpose of guns is to shoot things. not equal. Guns aren't alive. Not equal. Guns aren't attached to people. Not equal. Guns aren't used to masterbate (well, except for by real gun nuts).

As far as No Gun has killed... between 2005 and 2010, 3800 people in the US died from accidental gunshots. Bad people kill, crazy people kill, suicidal people kill. depressed people kill. People hooked on drugs kill. And a bucket load of those use guns. Guns need regulation. Keep them from the Evil folks, the loaded folks, the crazy folks, the unstable folks.

"Have the stones to put the blame where it belongs." Congress and the N fucking RA. Money in politics. Those who cling to their guns over the lives of kids. THat's where blame lies.

 

[Further]

Background checks are (UnConstitutionally) required in Oregon and most other states even if the sale is private, citizen to citizen.

BS - I have bought several guns via armslist over the years without background checks. And those sales were legal. As long as you have no reason to believe someone is not permitted to own a firearm you can sell it to them without a background check.

 

[barfo]

Jesus Christ, the OT section looks very similar to the comment section on an Info Wars video.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

barfo

 

[Nate]

I'm saying once they are released from prison, having served their time, they are not felons, they are ex-felons.

I support their freedoms just as I support yours.

I guess it should depend upon the conditions that they get out on, but yeah I think felons should be able to get guns after like 2 years of an adjustment period after they get out.

One of my friends just hit his 10 year mark from being a felon this year. He’s really excited to get a gun.

 

[Cippy91]

Jesus Christ, the OT section looks very similar to the comment section on an Info Wars video.

I have the documents right here