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riverman said:
John McCain...Mitt Romney...actually a lot of them...Jeb Bush...Kasich..
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They’re not for open borders.

They might be for amnesty, but that’s not the same thing. They’ll grant amnesty while enacting much stricter border enforcement policies (meant to keep people out).
 
Denny Crane said:
They’re not for open borders.

They might be for amnesty, but that’s not the same thing. They’ll grant amnesty while enacting much stricter border enforcement policies (meant to keep people out).
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They were against a wall...many republicans never wanted to spend a nickel on a wall on the border....they did seem to want to deport bad hombres though
 
riverman said:
Denny is not a republican....as I said...he's an anti democrat...his opinion of Hillary is very close to my opinion of Trump....it's not ever going to be objective...that's what happens when a politician loses your trust
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Last election, both candidates were under FBI investigation. How absurd is that?

I look objectively at the facts and what I see are a seriously biased media making shit up and no there there when it comes to Trump. If you think about it for only a minute or two, you’d realize the NSA has every text message, every email, and recorded every phone call by everyone, including the Russians and Trump’s people. If there’s a smoking gun, it’d have been found within days, not hard to find after a year-plus.

The objective facts are that no matter how the biased media defends her, she is a career criminal who is simply a skilled enough lawyer to keep from getting caught. She’s almost been caught a few times, but our justice system gives her a pass every time (“no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges” while numerous prosecutors say they would).

Republicans can be criminals, too. Plenty of them are. The Keating 5 scandal was all about your guy McCain getting off as Clinton has.
 
Romney:

“Yes. We've got to have a fence, or the technologically approved system to make sure that we know who's coming into the country, number one. Number two, we ought to have enough agents to secure that fence and to make sure that people are coming over are caught. But the third thing [is to address employers attracting illegal immigrants].”
 
Denny Crane said:
Pro choice, too.
Pro science.
Pro union (collective bargaining, but freedom of association).
Pro civil rights.
Pro gay rights/marriage/military service.
Pro trans.
Pro women.
For shrinking the military (Trump wants to grow it).
For non-intervention.

(All these things not republican agenda)
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Those are things I can agree with. I don't want a damn wall (I certainly would enforce our immigration laws vigorously)

I just picked the most obvious non Republican thing you're for.

I don't like the Republicans, I just hate most of the Democrats that hold federal positions more.
 
Denny Crane said:
Romney:

“Yes. We've got to have a fence, or the technologically approved system to make sure that we know who's coming into the country, number one. Number two, we ought to have enough agents to secure that fence and to make sure that people are coming over are caught. But the third thing [is to address employers attracting illegal immigrants].”
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we already had a fence......fence and wall are different in my view..but glad you found those facts....
 
riverman said:
we already had a fence......fence and wall are different in my view..but glad you found those facts....
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You'll find anything to latch onto. A fence vs a wall, really?

Trump really wants a moat. Romney a fence.

I want laser equipped drones with night vision and pepper spray. If they still sneak in........02beca25a9b6543ca884446ec459d36093f937a1e12c9da1d3a4bb772c840ce7.jpg
 
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Statism. Sounds like a barfo post, or MoveOn.org.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism

Authoritarians view a strong, authoritative state as required to legislate or enforce morality and cultural practices.[10][11] The ideology of statism espoused by fascism holds that sovereignty is not vested in the people but in the nation state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, prestige and well-being of the state. It repudiates individualism and the family and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline.[12]Fascism and some forms of corporatism extol the moral position that the corporate group, usually the state, is greater than the sum of its parts and that individuals have a moral obligation to serve the state.[12]
 
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