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MickZagger said:
I thought Minnesota’s always been red. I could be mistaken
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Nah they usually vote blue. Its a lot like Oregon or Colorado, much of the state is rural/conservative from a landmass perspective, but the small urban centers are more liberal and still closely out-populate. It’s why states like those have more infighting amongst themselves when it comes to policy making.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
This far-left violence only fuel's Trumps base.

Thanks for the destruction, bros!

Hopefully they will flip Minnesota Red!
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Minnesota turned red with the election of several major Republican politicians in Minnesota. This was a mistake that they won't make again for a long time. Minnesota is firmly Blue.
 
I’m beginning to think that maybe the best thing for your country is for Trump to win re-election.

Your society is broken, and there are only two paths forward. Unite, or divide.

The only two things that I can possibly see uniting you are war with a foreign power, or recovering from complete societal breakdown.

War may unite you, but your societal issues will remain unresolved.

Biden winning will continue to divide you, but at a slower rate.

Trump winning again will accelerate your division, and things will get so bad that you will either break apart, or unite. Either way real change will occur.

Yes there will be a lot of short term pain, but it may be the quickest way to resolving the issues in your society. Even if it’s as different nations.
 
DUB said:
Trump winning again will accelerate your division, and things will get so bad that you will either break apart, or unite. Either way real change will occur.
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Or, far more likely, divisions will continue to grow but nothing will break down. The rioting is a tiny fraction of one percent of the population--the nation is nowhere near a societal breakdown. Not to mention, the whole "burn it down and start over" was the guiding philosophy of a lot of Trump voters (who incorrectly saw Trump as a crusading outsider bent on revolution). I'm not going to embrace the same philosophy. The nation will be better off, short term and long term, with a President that doesn't try to stoke anger. Biden may not be liked by many Republicans, but nothing in the polling suggests that he's hated or makes a number of people angry.
 
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andalusian said:
Bad news:
He is coming for your first amendment...

Good news:
The president actually did something other than tweet and golf.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/flag-burning-supreme-court-trump/index.html
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this long-running flag-burning issue is such a giant load of hypocritical horseshit

it's long been pushed by the chicken-hawk R's whenever they want to wade deep into the cesspool of demagoguery. They like to wrap themselves in the flag to inoculate themselves from criticism, and it's ironic how often the ones wrapping themselves are people who never put on a uniform and defended the principles the flag is supposed to represent.

I've seen Republican conventions for years and the flag is being 'desecrated' everywhere. The flag is warped into straw hats and derby's; it's cut into t-shirts and bow-ties. It's molded into paper cups, plastic glasses, and swizzle sticks for fuckssakes

that's because the American flag doesn't just materialize out of thin air when somebody has reached a certain level of patriotic virtue. Flags are manufactured by companies and corporations. And they aren't manufactured pro-bono. Those flags are made so those companies and corporations can make money. There's no patriotic virtue involved, just capitalistic motivation

and isn't just symbolic that the R's like trump want the flag to be an acceptable tool for profit, but an unacceptable tool for protest. That you can use the flag to make a buck but you can't use it to make a point. Unmitigated hypocrisy.
 
Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows former Vice President Joe Biden clearly ahead of President Donald Trump. Biden's up by a 53% to 43% margin among registered voters in this survey.

But it's important to put individual polls into context, and that context continues to show Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began in the 1930s.

There were more than 40 national public polls taken at least partially in the month of May that asked about the Biden-Trump matchup. Biden led in every single one of them. He's the first challenger to be ahead of the incumbent in every May poll since Jimmy Carter did so in 1976. Carter, of course, won the 1976 election. Biden's the only challenger to have the advantage in every May poll over an elected incumbent in the polling era.

Biden remains the lone challenger to be up in the average of polls in every single month of the election year. His average lead in a monthly average of polls has never dipped below 4 points and has usually been above it.

Biden hasn't trailed Trump this entire year in a single telephone poll in which at least some voters were reached via their cell phones -- historically the most accurate. The ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest example of these polls. In fact, Biden's never been behind in any of these polls since at least January 2019. No other challenger has come close to that mark.

Indeed, the stability of Biden's edge has been what is most impressive. The May polls had Biden up by 6 points on average. That is right where the average of polls taken since the beginning of this year has been. It's where the average of polls conducted since the beginning of 2019 has been as well.

If we limit ourselves to just the telephone polls that call cell phones, Biden's edge might even be slightly larger. This month those polls have Biden up 7 points on average. Estimating Biden's advantage from state polls of this type shows a similar lead for Biden.

A look at the fundamentals shows why Trump continues to trail. Simply put, he remains unpopular.

His net approval rating (approval - disapproval) in the ABC News/Washington Post poll was -8 points. That's very close to the average of polls, which has it at about -10 points. At no point during the past three years has Trump ever had a positive net approval rating.

The only other two presidents to have a net approval rating this low at this point in the campaign were Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992. Both of them lost reelection.

But I'm not predicting anything here. Between the coronavirus pandemic and now the protests and riots taking place nationwide, we're obviously in a volatile news environment.

Still, no other campaign involving an incumbent president has moved as little as this one has. That's after nearly three months of the coronavirus dominating the news cycle. That's after many anti-Biden ads have been aired.

It's at least possible that nothing will move the electorate substantially in Trump's direction.​
 
Minstrel said:
Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows former Vice President Joe Biden clearly ahead of President Donald Trump. Biden's up by a 53% to 43% margin among registered voters in this survey.

But it's important to put individual polls into context, and that context continues to show Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began in the 1930s.

There were more than 40 national public polls taken at least partially in the month of May that asked about the Biden-Trump matchup. Biden led in every single one of them. He's the first challenger to be ahead of the incumbent in every May poll since Jimmy Carter did so in 1976. Carter, of course, won the 1976 election. Biden's the only challenger to have the advantage in every May poll over an elected incumbent in the polling era.

Biden remains the lone challenger to be up in the average of polls in every single month of the election year. His average lead in a monthly average of polls has never dipped below 4 points and has usually been above it.

Biden hasn't trailed Trump this entire year in a single telephone poll in which at least some voters were reached via their cell phones -- historically the most accurate. The ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest example of these polls. In fact, Biden's never been behind in any of these polls since at least January 2019. No other challenger has come close to that mark.

Indeed, the stability of Biden's edge has been what is most impressive. The May polls had Biden up by 6 points on average. That is right where the average of polls taken since the beginning of this year has been. It's where the average of polls conducted since the beginning of 2019 has been as well.

If we limit ourselves to just the telephone polls that call cell phones, Biden's edge might even be slightly larger. This month those polls have Biden up 7 points on average. Estimating Biden's advantage from state polls of this type shows a similar lead for Biden.

A look at the fundamentals shows why Trump continues to trail. Simply put, he remains unpopular.

His net approval rating (approval - disapproval) in the ABC News/Washington Post poll was -8 points. That's very close to the average of polls, which has it at about -10 points. At no point during the past three years has Trump ever had a positive net approval rating.

The only other two presidents to have a net approval rating this low at this point in the campaign were Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992. Both of them lost reelection.

But I'm not predicting anything here. Between the coronavirus pandemic and now the protests and riots taking place nationwide, we're obviously in a volatile news environment.

Still, no other campaign involving an incumbent president has moved as little as this one has. That's after nearly three months of the coronavirus dominating the news cycle. That's after many anti-Biden ads have been aired.

It's at least possible that nothing will move the electorate substantially in Trump's direction.​
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I see Biden's lead getting much bigger.
 
Minstrel said:
Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began

A new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows former Vice President Joe Biden clearly ahead of President Donald Trump. Biden's up by a 53% to 43% margin among registered voters in this survey.

But it's important to put individual polls into context, and that context continues to show Biden's in one of the best positions for any challenger since scientific polling began in the 1930s.

There were more than 40 national public polls taken at least partially in the month of May that asked about the Biden-Trump matchup. Biden led in every single one of them. He's the first challenger to be ahead of the incumbent in every May poll since Jimmy Carter did so in 1976. Carter, of course, won the 1976 election. Biden's the only challenger to have the advantage in every May poll over an elected incumbent in the polling era.

Biden remains the lone challenger to be up in the average of polls in every single month of the election year. His average lead in a monthly average of polls has never dipped below 4 points and has usually been above it.

Biden hasn't trailed Trump this entire year in a single telephone poll in which at least some voters were reached via their cell phones -- historically the most accurate. The ABC News/Washington Post poll is the latest example of these polls. In fact, Biden's never been behind in any of these polls since at least January 2019. No other challenger has come close to that mark.

Indeed, the stability of Biden's edge has been what is most impressive. The May polls had Biden up by 6 points on average. That is right where the average of polls taken since the beginning of this year has been. It's where the average of polls conducted since the beginning of 2019 has been as well.

If we limit ourselves to just the telephone polls that call cell phones, Biden's edge might even be slightly larger. This month those polls have Biden up 7 points on average. Estimating Biden's advantage from state polls of this type shows a similar lead for Biden.

A look at the fundamentals shows why Trump continues to trail. Simply put, he remains unpopular.

His net approval rating (approval - disapproval) in the ABC News/Washington Post poll was -8 points. That's very close to the average of polls, which has it at about -10 points. At no point during the past three years has Trump ever had a positive net approval rating.

The only other two presidents to have a net approval rating this low at this point in the campaign were Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992. Both of them lost reelection.

But I'm not predicting anything here. Between the coronavirus pandemic and now the protests and riots taking place nationwide, we're obviously in a volatile news environment.

Still, no other campaign involving an incumbent president has moved as little as this one has. That's after nearly three months of the coronavirus dominating the news cycle. That's after many anti-Biden ads have been aired.

It's at least possible that nothing will move the electorate substantially in Trump's direction.​
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This is a result of an ANTI-Trump sentiment rather than a PRO-Biden.

If republicans were smart, they would dump Trump and nominate someone else for president this fall. There is no way in HELL that Trump gets re-elected.
 
tester551 said:
This is a result of an ANTI-Trump sentiment rather than a PRO-Biden.
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No question about that. Just as Trump himself largely came about from an anti-Clinton sentiment.

If republicans were smart, they would dump Trump and nominate someone else for president this fall. There is no way in HELL that Trump gets re-elected.
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They can't divorce themselves from Trump now. He has a baked-in core group of support that's roughly 40% of the entire Republican voting bloc. They dump Trump, they lose that 40% of their votes. They can't possibly win enough moderates to make up for that.
 
tester551 said:
This is a result of an ANTI-Trump sentiment rather than a PRO-Biden.

If republicans were smart, they would dump Trump and nominate someone else for president this fall. There is no way in HELL that Trump gets re-elected.
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I agree, if the Republicans could dump, they'd be wise to. But they had their chance, but stuck to their guns (no pun intended). This is their mess, they own it. They will suffer from it for a while. Pretty much the GOP has lost any chance they had at making inroads into the young person market, the black vote or most likely any other minority vote. And I'm sure they're going to lose the female vote too.

Basically, the GOP has decided to stick with their base. Angry white men and angry racist white men.

They deserve this, and they will have to own it and own up to it if they want to survive over the next few years.


But they don't have to do too much, since this is the democrats we're talking about. They'll fuck this up somehow.
 
julius said:
But they don't have to do too much, since this is the democrats we're talking about. They'll fuck this up somehow.
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Already got a good running start on that by pushing status quo Joe.
 
julius said:
I agree, if the Republicans could dump, they'd be wise to. But they had their chance, but stuck to their guns (no pun intended). This is their mess, they own it. They will suffer from it for a while. Pretty much the GOP has lost any chance they had at making inroads into the young person market, the black vote or most likely any other minority vote. And I'm sure they're going to lose the female vote too.

Basically, the GOP has decided to stick with their base. Angry white men and angry racist white men.

They deserve this, and they will have to own it and own up to it if they want to survive over the next few years.


But they don't have to do too much, since this is the democrats we're talking about. They'll fuck this up somehow.
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It is almost unfuckupable now
 
Chris Craig said:
It is almost unfuckupable now
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You're young....If there's a way to fuck it up, Democrats will find it. Either by over estimating the vibe, or apologizing for something and sabotaging it.
 
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julius said:
You're young....If there's a way to fuck it up, Democrats will find it. Either by over estimating the vibe, or apologizing for something and sabotaging it.
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Not that young
 
I am staying right here on the piece of earth I worked my whole life to have....until winter...then fuck this place, I'm heading to the islands....back in the spring to fish and garden....my days of woodstoves in the rain and cold are coming to an end...
 
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