Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!) (3 Viewers)

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TorturedBlazerFan said:
40 million?
My stance is mostly that I really have a lot of issues with the democrat and republican parties and I believe they are both thoroughly corrupt at the top. I don't like Trump, and I wouldn't vote for him, but I wouldn't vote for the democratic candidates either. I do vote, but that's a conversation that's been circled numerous times on here.
I'm not a defender of Trump, though I'm sure some of my posts come off that way, because I try to take a measured approach to things and it's not an emotional response of hate which a lot of people tend to have and hey that's their prerogative, they're allowed to respond that way, it's just not how I've chosen to respond to most things even though I believe personally he has done a lot of things incredibly wrong, and the way he talks about people bothers me a lot.
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I remember you writing about how you’ve disliked Trump earlier in this thread. I respect this message.
 
MickZagger said:
Well you’d hope so.

oh and I don’t think that if you like Trump you’re part of the problem.

But there’s some posters in here who have never admitted the guy has done a damn thing wrong.

Meanwhile they care more about his ratings and the economy than the fact that over 40 million people have died.

oh and whatever happened to the hydrocchloroquine miracle that was being thrown around by the admin. Haven’t heard a peep about that shit lately
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I think maybe they aren't willing to admit it because there seems to be many MORE posters who will never admit he has ever done anything good, which he has. So I think its a.. "soo many people cant admit he has ever done any good, but then they want me to admit he does some bad? puulease....".


40 million people have died in this country? have any stats on that? or is that just more sensationalism?
 
MickZagger said:
Thousand not million
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K cause you said million. So 40 thousand deaths in the US from corona virus so far?

You know what sucks? I cant really comment on that because Google is searching via a biased format. I cant find any links or info to non corona deaths in the Us to have a comparison. Im willing to bet its more than 40k though.
 
Orion Bailey said:
You know what sucks? I cant really comment on that because Google is searching via a biased format. I cant find any links or info to non corona deaths in the Us to have a comparison. Im willing to bet its more than 40k though.
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:)

There are other search engines you know. Marzy always used goosegoosepoop or something like that.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
K cause you said million. So 40 thousand deaths in the US from corona virus so far?

You know what sucks? I cant really comment on that because Google is searching via a biased format. I cant find any links or info to non corona deaths in the Us to have a comparison. Im willing to bet its more than 40k though.
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600,000 from cancer last year.

Another 67,000 from drug overdoses (unemployed and bored? Pharma’s got a pill for that).

50,000 took their own lives (we can expect that number to go up now that millions have lost their livelihoods, and the pills wear off).
 
jonnyboy said:
600,000 from cancer last year.

Another 67,000 from drug overdoses (unemployed and bored? Pharma’s got a pill for that).

50,000 took their own lives (we can expect that number to go up now that millions have lost their livelihoods, and the pills wear off).
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Thanks. helps validate my point and others I know have been wondering.
 
MickZagger said:
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Well, there it is. We've finally found the most stupid thing to criticize Trump for. There are zillions of legitimate ones, but bashing him for a program that was recommended by every epidemiologist out there and which successfully avoided the massive number of deaths that were predicted absent the stay at home push, seems pretty much crazy. Especially when it was the governors of the individual states who actually implemented it.
 
jonnyboy said:
Those were 2018 numbers, but my point still stands.
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All of that data on deaths reflect numbers based upon people who have diseases that they are able to get medical treatment for. The death rates would be much higher if there weren't those treatments available. At the start of this outbreak, there were zero effective medical treatments available and even now we're just in the testing stage of possible drugs to combat COVID-19. Without the stay at home orders, the number of deaths would have been much greater, possibly ten or more times as great, than the 42,000 we've had to date with the social distancing.
 
e_blazer said:
Without the stay at home orders, the number of deaths would have been much greater, possibly ten or more times as great, than the 42,000 we've had to date with the social distancing.
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Those projections are estimates and nothing more. So far NONE of the estimates have come even remotely close, and those are estimates that account for having social distancing in place.
 
e_blazer said:
All of that data on deaths reflect numbers based upon people who have diseases that they are able to get medical treatment for. The death rates would be much higher if there weren't those treatments available. At the start of this outbreak, there were zero effective medical treatments available and even now we're just in the testing stage of possible drugs to combat COVID-19. Without the stay at home orders, the number of deaths would have been much greater, possibly ten or more times as great, than the 42,000 we've had to date with the social distancing.
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Are we sure about this?

Here is an example I believe leans the other way.

My mother is in lockdown and has been for a long time. elderly home. one of the first to go into lock down. 3 days ago the head fricken chef became positive. Their lockdown has started over again and they have had 6 deaths for corona.

To me it seems the lockdown hasnt helped as it had already spread once with the 19 positive cases and new ones still popping up a month or more later. It seems to me all we are doing is locking down positives with negative3sd and denying the negatives the ability to get out and away.

To me it seems we should build huge quarantine facilities and send the positive cases there and let the negatives continue working to provide the supplies and labor needed to make this happen.

More testing and separation.... less lockdown.
 
jonnyboy said:
Those projections are estimates and nothing more. So far NONE of the estimates have come even remotely close, and those are estimates that account for having social distancing in place.
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I suppose, according to new polling, this has now become the #1 issue with this election, so it is on topic here.

This virus is highly contagious. There is ample amount of data to support that claim. That supports that there is a high chance that most of Americans have already or will eventually get Covid-19 exposure, even with strict mitigation. But that same data also supports the mortality rate is extremely low. Maybe even lower than the flu.

Something to think about
 
jonnyboy said:
Those projections are estimates and nothing more. So far NONE of the estimates have come even remotely close, and those are estimates that account for having social distancing in place.
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Sure, but who knew that going into this? We had WHO saying there would be a 3% plus mortality rate. A lot of people questioned that and were projecting something more in the 1% range. Nobody knew that there would be so many asymptomatic cases. It looks like the actual morality rate will turn out to be more in line with flu, but that's with social distancing in place. Despite the fact that it doesn't look like the original dire estimates were anywhere near correct, we were absolutely not prepared for a pandemic even with a less virulent disease like this. Nowhere near enough protective masks, gowns, etc. Nowhere near enough ventilators. Nowhere near enough testing kits. Hospital space in New York was taxed to its limits. Imagine what it would have been like if the original mortality estimates were right. Public policy has to be based on the best estimates known at a given time. Social distancing has bought us time to get prepared for a second wave in a way that will not have to be nearly as drastic as what was done this time.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Are we sure about this?

Here is an example I believe leans the other way.

My mother is in lockdown and has been for a long time. elderly home. one of the first to go into lock down. 3 days ago the head fricken chef became positive. Their lockdown has started over again and they have had 6 deaths for corona.

To me it seems the lockdown hasnt helped as it had already spread once with the 19 positive cases and new ones still popping up a month or more later. It seems to me all we are doing is locking down positives with negative3sd and denying the negatives the ability to get out and away.

To me it seems we should build huge quarantine facilities and send the positive cases there and let the negatives continue working to provide the supplies and labor needed to make this happen.

More testing and separation.... less lockdown.
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My mom's in a senior care facility as well. They had a couple of cases in the assisted living portion of the facility, but fortunately none in the senior apartment portion where she lives. I haven't been able to see her in person since this whole thing started and I don't like that either.

The idea of testing and sending positive cases to a quarantine facility, or even just quarantining them at home, is where we need to get to, but it's dependent on the availability of widespread accurate testing. I think that may be viable by the time there's a second wave, if we can push it off until late next fall or winter, but we aren't anywhere close to that right now. Given that some 25-50% of cases appear to be asymptomatic, the only way that works is if we all voluntarily send in regular test kits so we can be checked on an ongoing basis. They just approved the first at-home test kit today.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Are we sure about this?

Here is an example I believe leans the other way.

My mother is in lockdown and has been for a long time. elderly home. one of the first to go into lock down. 3 days ago the head fricken chef became positive. Their lockdown has started over again and they have had 6 deaths for corona.

To me it seems the lockdown hasnt helped as it had already spread once with the 19 positive cases and new ones still popping up a month or more later. It seems to me all we are doing is locking down positives with negative3sd and denying the negatives the ability to get out and away.

To me it seems we should build huge quarantine facilities and send the positive cases there and let the negatives continue working to provide the supplies and labor needed to make this happen.

More testing and separation.... less lockdown.
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Being in a nursing home isn't social distancing. It's the same situation as being in a prison.

The idea of social distancing is to separate people. Prisons and nursing homes don't do that.

barfo
 
magnifier661 said:
She would definitely bring more “out to vote” regardless of qualifications. No wonder Biden would do it in a heartbeat. Like it or not, she’s a very “likable” person.
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I'm pretty certain (gut instinct) Barack carefully toes the line with her.
 
ABM said:
I'm pretty certain (gut instinct) Barack carefully toes the line with her.
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I actually voted for Obama his first term. Probably said that already somewhere in these threads. There is no doubt either of them are very “statesmen-like.” I wouldn’t vote for them again. I’m not confident being a statesmen is what’s best for the country right now.
 
magnifier661 said:
I actually voted for Obama his first term. Probably said that already somewhere in these threads. There is no doubt either of them are very “statesmen-like.” I wouldn’t vote for them again. I’m not confident being a statesmen is what’s best for the country right now.
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Interestingly, Barack's half-brother still challenges Barack's birthplace. A dead horse by now, but still interesting....especially interesting that Malik is a staunch (and 2020) Trump supporter.

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First...This is 1000% speculation on my part. Lets call it a hunch.

I have been scratching my head bald trying to figure out why some countries are having a much worse time than others with this C-19 virus.

There are a ton of charts showing a ton of info, but no answers., I may have found an angle worth more research. The short answer is obesity.

When you compare all of the countries C-19 morality rate to their obesity rate. The similarities are scary. The higher a countries obesity rate, the higher their C-19 death rate. Here are several examples.

India has a obesity rate of 3.9%. A mortality C-19 death rate of .44 per milion.

Korea 4.7%....4.59 per million
USA 36.2% obesity and 129 per million death rate.

In other words. The rich overfeed bad diet countries are having a worse time with this virus than the poor underfeed or healthy eating countries. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

This same theory may apply within a country's population. But I'm done for the day grinding numbers.
 
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