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magnifier661 said:
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Looks like a publicity stunt. "Quit with a heavy heart" due to being under such unfair attack and then "courageously re-enter the race" 24 hours later because we gotta stand up to the bullies.

It certainly should get Republicans excited about him, which is always helpful in a Democratic primary. Let's see if it gets Democrats excited about him.
 
Minstrel said:
Looks like a publicity stunt. "Quit with a heavy heart" due to being under such unfair attack and then "courageously re-enter the race" 24 hours later because we gotta stand up to the bullies.

It certainly should get Republicans excited about him, which is always helpful in a Democratic primary. Let's see if it gets Democrats excited about him.
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After watching the video, he’s just serving out his term. He’s not running for re-election
 
MickZagger said:
it’s obvious he’s a republican who knew his only path to getting elected was disguising as a democrat.

that’s pretty obvious just by the fact that he supports Trump.

I bet he’s embellishing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Jones

On April 14, 2020, Jones became the first state elected Democratic official in Georgia to endorse President Donald Trump's re-election bid. Jones said he has no plans to switch political parties and gave his reasons for the endorsement by saying "It’s very simple to me. President Trump’s handling of the economy, his support for historically black colleges and his criminal justice initiatives drew me to endorse his campaign." Due to backlash from his endorsement of Trump, he announced his resignation on April 22, 2020. On April 23rd, 2020, Jones announced on his Twitter account that he was in fact not resigning.
 
ABM said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Jones

On April 14, 2020, Jones became the first state elected Democratic official in Georgia to endorse President Donald Trump's re-election bid. Jones said he has no plans to switch political parties and gave his reasons for the endorsement by saying "It’s very simple to me. President Trump’s handling of the economy, his support for historically black colleges and his criminal justice initiatives drew me to endorse his campaign." Due to backlash from his endorsement of Trump, he announced his resignation on April 22, 2020. On April 23rd, 2020, Jones announced on his Twitter account that he was in fact not resigning.
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He said "he's leaving the plantation" back when he was "quitting." That's a black conservative term meaning "Democrats are the REAL racists, pretending to help black people but keeping them subservient." So, if that's how he feels about the Democratic party, one wonders why he's a member of the party...
 
Minstrel said:
He said "he's leaving the plantation" back when he was "quitting." That's a black conservative term meaning "Democrats are the REAL racists, pretending to help black people but keeping them subservient." So, if that's how he feels about the Democratic party, one wonders why he's a member of the party...
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During his 2008 Senate campaign, Jones described himself as a "conservative Democrat" who favors "tough immigration laws and fiscal responsibility" as well as "supporter of gun rights and a staunch environmental advocate".[12] During his 2008 campaign, he stated that he opposed same-sex marriage.[13] OnTheIssues.org rated Jones as a "Moderate Libertarian Conservative".[14] Jones stated that he voted for George W. Bush in 2004, and supported Barack Obama in 2008.[15] Jones donated $2,464 in two separate donations to the Georgia Republican Party in 2001.[16][17] In a 2014 press release, Jones characterized himself as an "advocate for limited government, security and protections for all citizens, balanced budgeting, ethical and efficient elections, [and] job creation".[18] Jones was the only Democratic cosponsor of the bill to legalize the concealed carry of firearms on Georgia's college campuses. [19]
 
Minstrel said:
He said "he's leaving the plantation" back when he was "quitting." That's a black conservative term meaning "Democrats are the REAL racists, pretending to help black people but keeping them subservient." So, if that's how he feels about the Democratic party, one wonders why he's a member of the party...
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I have never really understood why Bernie was part of the Democratic party, or why Trump was part of the Republican Party. I think it all boils down to most of them just pick one of the two.
 
ABM said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Jones

On April 14, 2020, Jones became the first state elected Democratic official in Georgia to endorse President Donald Trump's re-election bid. Jones said he has no plans to switch political parties and gave his reasons for the endorsement by saying "It’s very simple to me. President Trump’s handling of the economy, his support for historically black colleges and his criminal justice initiatives drew me to endorse his campaign." Due to backlash from his endorsement of Trump, he announced his resignation on April 22, 2020. On April 23rd, 2020, Jones announced on his Twitter account that he was in fact not resigning.
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The guys just a dumb ass then.

The economy was spiraling into a recession before this pandemic came about.

His support for black colleges? Hahaha what a cop out.

He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing is what he is.
 
ABM said:
During his 2008 Senate campaign, Jones described himself as a "conservative Democrat" who favors "tough immigration laws and fiscal responsibility" as well as "supporter of gun rights and a staunch environmental advocate".[12] During his 2008 campaign, he stated that he opposed same-sex marriage.[13] OnTheIssues.org rated Jones as a "Moderate Libertarian Conservative".[14] Jones stated that he voted for George W. Bush in 2004, and supported Barack Obama in 2008.[15] Jones donated $2,464 in two separate donations to the Georgia Republican Party in 2001.[16][17] In a 2014 press release, Jones characterized himself as an "advocate for limited government, security and protections for all citizens, balanced budgeting, ethical and efficient elections, [and] job creation".[18] Jones was the only Democratic cosponsor of the bill to legalize the concealed carry of firearms on Georgia's college campuses. [19]
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Didn't answer or even address my question, but thanks for the copy-and-paste.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I have never really understood why Bernie was part of the Democratic party, or why Trump was part of the Republican Party. I think it all boils down to most of them just pick one of the two.
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The point is, neither Sanders nor Trump is fundamentally opposed to the parties they're in or running for the nomination of (the same can't be said for some of their supporters, of course). Jones, from his own rhetoric, clearly is directly opposed to the party he's in.
 
ABM said:
During his 2008 Senate campaign, Jones described himself as a "conservative Democrat" who favors "tough immigration laws and fiscal responsibility" as well as "supporter of gun rights and a staunch environmental advocate".[12] During his 2008 campaign, he stated that he opposed same-sex marriage.[13] OnTheIssues.org rated Jones as a "Moderate Libertarian Conservative".[14] Jones stated that he voted for George W. Bush in 2004, and supported Barack Obama in 2008.[15] Jones donated $2,464 in two separate donations to the Georgia Republican Party in 2001.[16][17] In a 2014 press release, Jones characterized himself as an "advocate for limited government, security and protections for all citizens, balanced budgeting, ethical and efficient elections, [and] job creation".[18] Jones was the only Democratic cosponsor of the bill to legalize the concealed carry of firearms on Georgia's college campuses. [19]
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So I’m wondering what makes him a Democrat?
 
Minstrel said:
The point is, neither Sanders nor Trump is fundamentally opposed to the parties they're in or running for the nomination of (the same can't be said for some of their supporters, of course). Jones, from his own rhetoric, clearly is directly opposed to the party he's in.
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Sanders has complained so much about the Democratic and Democratic establishment though. Which I suppose doesn't mean he's opposed to the party itself, but if you're opposed to the people in charge of your party, you're kind of opposed to the party I guess(?). I think Sanders literally had commercials saying let's take down the democratic establishment. Which part of his platform is that the Democratic party is corrupt... Anyways not to make this all about Sanders, just my point is that I think politicians kind of choose which side they think they're either closer aligned too or gives them a better chance to win elections.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
just my point is that I think politicians kind of choose which side they think they're either closer aligned too or gives them a better chance to win elections.
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Well, yeah, that's basically what I was getting at. I don't think Jones is very closely aligned with the Democrats, he seems much more aligned with the Republicans (a thing you can't really say about Sanders, even if Sanders has his issues with the Democratic party). I suspect he thinks it's easier to win, as a black man in a Southern state, as a Democrat.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Sanders has complained so much about the Democratic and Democratic establishment though. Which I suppose doesn't mean he's opposed to the party itself, but if you're opposed to the people in charge of your party, you're kind of opposed to the party I guess(?). I think Sanders literally had commercials saying let's take down the democratic establishment. Which part of his platform is that the Democratic party is corrupt... Anyways not to make this all about Sanders, just my point is that I think politicians kind of choose which side they think they're either closer aligned too or gives them a better chance to win elections.
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Sanders is an independent that votes democratic majority of time.
 
Haha the guy just sounds like a troll.

Has Republican ideologies, votes Republican, runs as a Democrat. But he did vote for Obama once.

Then gets pissy when Democrats call him out as a fraud and he says they’re the racist ones.

cray cray. What a bizzaro world we live in.
 
CupWizier said:
Sanders is an independent that votes democratic majority of time.
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But runs as a Democrat and is clearly not one of them... He would love to be put on the Ballot as a (D) though because he thinks it'll get him more attention. This is kind of what I think Jones guy is doing, he's aligning with where he thinks the votes are at.
 
MickZagger said:
Haha the guy just sounds like a troll.

Has Republican ideologies, votes Republican, runs as a Democrat. But he did vote for Obama once.

Then gets pissy when Democrats call him out as a fraud and he says they’re the racist ones.

cray cray. What a bizzaro world we live in.
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Well... Doesn't it kind of depend on what those people actually said?
If they were using racial slurs, and such while "calling him out", then yeah they're racists... Racism doesn't really know political lines, I think there is plenty of racism and bigotry to be found all over the place personally.
 
MickZagger said:
Haha the guy just sounds like a troll.

Has Republican ideologies, votes Republican, runs as a Democrat. But he did vote for Obama once.

Then gets pissy when Democrats call him out as a fraud and he says they’re the racist ones.

cray cray. What a bizzaro world we live in.
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I posted his voting record https://ballotpedia.org/Vernon_Jones

he actually voted and sponsored Pro Democrat Bills
 
Minstrel said:
That's a columnist. Columnists write with their own style and opinion. It's not like some policy decision by the Boston Herald.
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Oh, OK, Minstrel. Thanks for keeping on top of what's germane, and what's not. We all look to you for cutting to the chase on such matters.
 
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