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Minstrel said:
I don't think you are understanding my point. I know that you aren't supporting Trump for his sexual abuse. What I'm saying is that when you support a sexual abuser for political reasons, you are belittling the issue of sexual abuse/misconduct. What you are, in effect, saying is, "His policy agreements with me matter more than the fact that he's sexually abusive to women." That's the definition of trivializing/belittling the issue. Which is what your daughter claims she has a huge problem with. So you are doing precisely what she says is the problem with society.
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I think I may not be explaining myself correctly then. She has made it perfectly clear, she will never vote for either candidate. What she respects is “why I support him.” That it’s right for me. Just as I respect her for supporting Sanders, even though I don’t align with his morality metrics, I respect why she aligns with him politically.

I don't think that's a particularly consistent position for her, but people are often inconsistent when it's their family. Love isn't always rational. I get that.
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It’s a very constant position of hers. She always stands her ground on very specific issues like LGBTQ, Socialism, and women’s issues.

Maybe. A lot of Sanders supporters hated Biden long prior to these allegations. So, it may be principled or it may be something she was going to do anyway (not vote for either). Without knowing her and having talked to her all along this process, I couldn't say.
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I accept that, just like I accepted principled conservatives not voting for Trump in 2016. A no vote is still a vote.
 
magnifier661 said:
I think I may not be explaining myself correctly then. She has made it perfectly clear, she will never vote for either candidate. What she respects is “why I support him.” That it’s right for me. Just as I respect her for supporting Sanders, even though I don’t align with his morality metrics, I respect why she aligns with why she aligns with him politically.
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Yeah, I still don't think you're understanding my point. It has nothing to do with "what's right for each of you." It's that she claims to have a problem with "belittling the issue of sexual misconduct against women" (in her words) and you are doing that very thing by supporting someone (for political reasons) she believes engages in sexual misconduct. No matter how much he "aligns with you politically" you're belittling sexual misconduct by placing political considerations ahead of that. She can't both consider that the big problem in society and respect you doing that very thing. That's what's logically inconsistent.
 
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Minstrel said:
Yeah, I still don't think you're understanding my point. It has nothing to do with "what's right for each of you." It's that she claims to have a problem with "belittling the issue of sexual misconduct against women" (in her words) and you are doing that very thing by supporting someone (for political reasons) she believes engages in sexual misconduct. No matter how much he "aligns with you politically" you're belittling sexual misconduct by placing political considerations ahead of that. She can't both consider that the big problem in society and respect you doing that very thing. That's what's logically inconsistent.
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I am understanding it. I think you aren’t understanding she knows my support of Trump has nothing to do with his misogyny. Respecting, my support does not take away her intolerance of Trump. She still hates Trump and she still respects why I don’t. It’s not a binary outcome.
 
magnifier661 said:
I am understanding it. I think you aren’t understanding she knows my support of Trump has nothing to do with his misogyny.
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Then you aren't understanding my point, since that's irrelevant to what I'm saying.
 
To vote for someone for public office does that mean you are belittling or excusing their wrongs? I think their is some validity to the answers, yes, no, and maybe. With any candidate we understand they will have faults some we may consider worse than others.
I think what mags is saying is that in their relationship she believes that his support of Trump isnt meant to excuse his wrongs, his misogyny, his “ism’s”, its that he believes Trump would be a good president. From her perspective she cant support Trump because she believes that those wrongs, his policies, etc., will make Trump a bad president. Him saying I think he’ll be a good president, does not mean he doesnt find fault in an individual

We all vote for flawed people because were all flawed, but when we make those votes we arent saying I am ok with all the bad things youve done in your life.
 
magnifier661 said:
Guess not :dunno:
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I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree because I don't know how else to phrase my point. I know you don't support Trump because he's sexual abusive and I know your daughter knows that too. I've been saying that supporting a sexual abuser because he agrees with you politically is the problem--it trivializes the issue of sexual abuse, which your daughter says is her problem with society. So what you are doing IS the problem she's talking about.

If you still think that "But she knows I don't support his sexual abuse" is an actual response to that, then we'll just have to let this go.
 
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Minstrel said:
I don't think you are understanding my point. I know that you aren't supporting Trump for his sexual abuse. What I'm saying is that when you support a sexual abuser for political reasons, you are belittling the issue of sexual abuse/misconduct. What you are, in effect, saying is, "His policy agreements with me matter more than the fact that he's sexually abusive to women." That's the definition of trivializing/belittling the issue. Which is what your daughter claims she has a huge problem with. So you are doing precisely what she says is the problem with society.



I don't think that's a particularly consistent position for her, but people are often inconsistent when it's their family. Love isn't always rational. I get that.



Maybe. A lot of Sanders supporters hated Biden long prior to these allegations. So, it may be principled or it may be something she was going to do anyway (not vote for either). Without knowing her and having talked to her all along this process, I couldn't say.
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I think you need to look up the definition of “belittling”.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I was, but I was also joking.
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Well, of course you were joking. That was obvious. I hope it was just as obvious that I said what I said in good fun and I knew exactly what you meant by blue balls. Again when I questioned you on that i had a smile on my face.
 
tlongII said:
I think you need to look up the definition of “belittling”.
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I don't think so. When you say that rapists are okay if they agree with you politically, that's pretty belittling/trivializing of the issue of rape. But if you disagree with that, we can agree to disagree.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't think so. When you say that rapists are okay if they agree with you politically, that's pretty belittling/trivializing of the issue of rape. But if you disagree with that, we can agree to disagree.
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You accused Mags of belittling sexual misconduct.

belittle
[ bih-lit-l ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR belittle ON THESAURUS.COM
verb (used with object), be·lit·tled, be·lit·tling.
to regard or portray as less impressive or important than appearances indicate; depreciate; disparage.


Mags has not said anything about the importance or severity of sexual misconduct.
 
tlongII said:
Mags has not said anything about the importance or severity of sexual misconduct.
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If you read my posts, I'm saying that it does say something about the importance to a person of sexual misconduct to prioritize "agreeing with me politically" over "being a sexual abuser."
 
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Minstrel said:
If you read my posts, I'm saying that it does say something about the importance to a person of sexual misconduct to prioritize "agreeing with me politically" over "being a sexual abuser."
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IMO, this would be similar to still liking Bill Cosby, and saying hey, I think sexual assault is bad, but the man's pretty funny. I support his comedy.
 
tlongII said:
You accused Mags of belittling sexual misconduct.

belittle
[ bih-lit-l ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR belittle ON THESAURUS.COM
verb (used with object), be·lit·tled, be·lit·tling.
to regard or portray as less impressive or important than appearances indicate; depreciate; disparage.


Mags has not said anything about the importance or severity of sexual misconduct.
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