Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Propagandist said:
I absolutely meant that as a backhand slam. If you are blind to your friend's shortcomings, so be it. I certainly wouldn't expect you to speak ill of anyone, but there is an objective element at play here. The @ABM worldview is rife and overflowing with hypocrisy; it can't be helped, as I said before, that is the nature of the Christian Right. It's built in.

Unless you feel compelled to argue, we can leave it at that. I have relatives that view the world just like ABM and I still love them, so I understand how it can leave one feeling conflicted...
Click to expand...

Hey, man....jump on the peace/love train! :smiley-thumbup:

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4961936/
 
Lanny said:
I guess I differ because I always stand by my wife and my friends. I guess you could call me loyal to those I really care about. I'd stick up for you guys, too.
Click to expand...


I think this is where we have a problem with society. People sticking by someone even if they're wrong about something.

If I started dropping racist lingo and started saying offensive things, would you stand by me? Stick up for me?

Hell, if my best friend started dropping "those ****'s need to go away", and said it in front of an Asian person, I wouldn't be like "woah woah woah, he's a good guy!" I'd be like "wtf??"

Thankfully, my friends don't say stupid shit like that, but I also recognize that they're adults and if they want to say something stupid that's on them, not on me.
 
Lanny said:
I guess I differ because I always stand by my wife and my friends. I guess you could call me loyal to those I really care about. I'd stick up for you guys, too.
Click to expand...

I do not know ABM and do not really care one bit about him specifically, so please do not take it as a comment on this, but this kind of attitude is exactly what brought us to the awful displays of police brutality and discrimination - when people that know better close ranks to protect those that they know / serve with.

Sorry Lanny, but logically, I think this kind of behavior is unreasonable. If someone I know is wrong, he is wrong, even if I love them.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
WTF?!? I'm wrong all the time and none of you fucks say you love me.
Click to expand...

PABH_TOUGHLOVE_PACKSHOT300x3002.jpg
 
Lanny said:
I guess I differ because I always stand by my wife and my friends. I guess you could call me loyal to those I really care about. I'd stick up for you guys, too.
Click to expand...

Lanny, respectfully, I disagree. A true friend/spouse/partner will tell you the truth.

Part of being a good friend, spouse, partner, is backing them when you feel they are right but also letting them know when you think they are wrong.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Lanny, respectfully, I disagree. A real friend/spouse/partner will tell you the truth.

Part of being a good friend, spouse, etc., is being honest with them and letting them know when you think they are wrong.
Click to expand...

You're wrong. ;)
 
...so we should blindly back our friends/spouses/partners, no matter what?....classic.

...not surprising from someone who concedes Trump's shortcomings but still backs him no matter what...part of this country's problems in a nutshell.
 
Propagandist said:
I absolutely meant that as a backhand slam. If you are blind to your friend's shortcomings, so be it. I certainly wouldn't expect you to speak ill of anyone, but there is an objective element at play here. The @ABM worldview is rife and overflowing with hypocrisy; it can't be helped, as I said before, that is the nature of the Christian Right. It's built in.

Unless you feel compelled to argue, we can leave it at that. I have relatives that view the world just like ABM and I still love them, so I understand how it can leave one feeling conflicted...
Click to expand...
I'm compelled to tell you that when you impugn my character regarding my friendship with ABM. Yeah, I'll always take issue with that. I've said my piece and have no desire to continue.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...so we should blindly back our friends/spouses/partners, no matter what?....classic.

...not surprising from someone who concedes Trump's shortcomings but still backs him no matter what...part of this country's problems in a nutshell.
Click to expand...
When those you care about have issues with me, I take it up openly if possible and privately if need be.

Look, I like you and I like Propagandist but I don't like anyone attacking the character of anyone I like. I get it that you guys have big issues with ABM as do I but I separate politics from friendship. If you're going to attack friends on political or similar issues then you're not going to keep very many friends.

Attack ABM's politics but leave his character out of it. Please
 
Lanny said:
When those you care about have issues with me, I take it up openly if possible and privately if need be.

Look, I like you and I like Propagandist but I don't like anyone attacking the character of anyone I like. I get it that you guys have big issues with ABM as do I but I separate politics from friendship. If you're going to attack friends on political or similar issues then you're not going to keep very many friends.

Attack ABM's politics but leave his character out of it. Please
Click to expand...


Lanny, read again what I said and more importantly what I did not say. I merely replied to someone else's post.

Unlike you, I don't have separate politics from friendship with ABM because, well, he's not my friend...and fwiw, IMO, the grief he gets from others around here, he brings on himself.
 
Last edited:
Propagandist said:
I absolutely meant that as a backhand slam. If you are blind to your friend's shortcomings, so be it. I certainly wouldn't expect you to speak ill of anyone, but there is an objective element at play here. The @ABM worldview is rife and overflowing with hypocrisy; it can't be helped, as I said before, that is the nature of the Christian Right. It's built in.

Unless you feel compelled to argue, we can leave it at that. I have relatives that view the world just like ABM and I still love them, so I understand how it can leave one feeling conflicted...
Click to expand...
Prop...remember you can pick your friends but you're stuck with the relatives. You dont have to like them you must love them.....
 
Lanny said:
I guess I differ because I always stand by my wife and my friends. I guess you could call me loyal to those I really care about. I'd stick up for you guys, too.
Click to expand...

julius said:
I think this is where we have a problem with society. People sticking by someone even if they're wrong about something.

If I started dropping racist lingo and started saying offensive things, would you stand by me? Stick up for me?

Hell, if my best friend started dropping "those ****'s need to go away", and said it in front of an Asian person, I wouldn't be like "woah woah woah, he's a good guy!" I'd be like "wtf??"

Thankfully, my friends don't say stupid shit like that, but I also recognize that they're adults and if they want to say something stupid that's on them, not on me.
Click to expand...

Ive said it before. A true friend talks to another friend if they think they are wrong in something.

Most friends just let friend look like asses.
Not a real friend in my book.

Stand by your friends in public, but set them straight in private. Obviously there are lines... blatant racism, violence on the innocent, etc.


Also, I find it funny anyone in here calling anyone else a hypocrite. There are soo many democratic hypocrites ,just like republicans and Christians. This.. "I'm right and just, because i'm a liberal dem." is pukeworthy....
 
by the way, it looks like trump's niece has written a tell-all book filled with "salacious details" and will be releasing it in August. Reportedly, she was the source of the Pulitzer Prize winning series in the NYT on how Fred Trump avoided severl hundred million in taxes that benefited the orange man
 
wizenheimer said:
by the way, it looks like trump's niece has written a tell-all book filled with "salacious details" and will be releasing it in August. Reportedly, she was the source of the Pulitzer Prize winning series in the NYT on how Fred Trump avoided severl hundred million in taxes that benefited the orange man
Click to expand...

It won't make a different to his voters, nor do I trust that any Trump, by marriage or by birth, is not a grifter.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
WTF?!? I'm wrong all the time and none of you fucks say you love me.
Click to expand...
beastiality is still illegal....you meant love you long time I'm guessing...that would be the bitches of S2 forum.....now that's legal..we must observe proper decorum around here dog!
 


This is the America both parties have been bringing us.

Time to tell the politicians to actually listen.
 
Propagandist said:
Come on, man. I feel like you're about to ask me to duel...
Click to expand...
Egad, I regret that. I like you guys in spite of what I view as a tiny flaw. I can't not like someone because of something that small or I'll steadily lose my friends. We all have flaws, some not so tiny, others tiny and others yet somewhere in between. Even I with my tremendous brain have flaws which I consider tiny while others consider monstrous. I consider those who view my flaws as monstrous I consider to have monstrous flaws. No, certainly not you nor yankeesince59.
 
If Biden gets on the police de-funding movement and uses it as some type of platform, might that hurt his chances in November?
 
senator josh hawley seems to signal a schism in trumps power/coalition. sights supporting an agenda that disagrees with tenants of his faith for a conservative federal bench. seems the hypocrisy of the bargain is no longer enough to continue his support for republican party platforms favoring the rich and multinational corporations at the expense of the majority of poor and middle class americans.

After SCOTUS Ruling, Senator Hawley Says Religious Conservatives Have a ‘Bad’ Deal
In a June 16 floor speech, Senator Josh Hawley referred to the decision as “historic,” and “seismic,” adding that the decision marked the end of the “legal conservative project.”
Catholic News Agency
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Senator Josh Hawley called Tuesday for religious conservatives to “stand up and speak out” for religious liberty in light of the recent Supreme Court decision in Bostock v. Clayton County.

The decision redefined discrimination in federal civil rights employment law to include gender identity and sexuality.

In a June 16 floor speech, Hawley referred to the decision as “historic,” and “seismic,” adding that the decision marked the end of the “legal conservative project.”

The senator said religious conservatives have long voted for certain candidates under the presumption that they would appoint judges who would protect religious liberty. The Missouri senator classified himself as one of these “religious conservatives.”

“If this case makes anything clear, it is that the bargain that has been offered to religious conservatives for years now is a bad one,” said Hawley.

This unspoken bargain, he claimed, is that religious conservatives “go along with the (Republican) party establishment,” including supporting policies that, in his view, do not benefit lower- and middle-class workers, in exchange for “some judges on the bench who supposedly will protect your Constitutional rights to freedom of worship to freedom of exercise.”

Hawley was particularly critical of policies he said cut taxes on the rich and help out “multinational corporations,” while doing nothing to prevent jobs from going overseas.

“We are supposed to stay quiet about all of that and more because there would be pro-Constitution religious liberty judges. Except for they aren't,” he said. “These judges don’t follow the Constitution.

“What (religious conservatives) sought together was protection for their right to worship, for their right to freely exercise their faith as the First Amendment guarantees, for the right to gather in their communities, for their right to pursue the way of life that their scriptures variously command and that the Constitution absolutely protects. That’s what they have asked for, that’s what they have sought all these years,” said Hawley.

The Supreme Court did not rule on the fate of churches and other religious institutions in its decision on Monday, writing that these topics were “questions for future cases.”

“No doubt they are,” said Hawley, saying these are “huge questions.” He added that he will “eagerly await” what the “super legislators across the street in the Supreme Court building” will have to say on this topic.

Hawley criticized his fellow legislators for failing to pass legislation on issues of critical importance.

“There’s only one problem with this piece of legislation,” Hawley said, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision.

“It was issued by a court, not by a legislature. It was written by judges, not by the elected representatives of the people. And it did what this Congress has pointededly declined to do for years now, which is to change the text and the meaning and the application and the scope of a historic piece of legislation.”

Hawley said that the other members of the legislature are “terrified” to put a vote on a potentially contentious issue on the record. He said that the legislature is now no longer accountable to the people who elected them, that in their refusal to pass legislation, “courts rush in.”

Now, said Hawley, is the time for religious conservatives “to bring forward the best of our ideas on every policy affecting this nation” and stop remaining silent on issues such as economics, trade, race, class, and “every subject that matters for what our founders called the general welfare.”

“The bargain which religious conservatives have been offered is not tenable,” said the Senator. “So I would just say it's not time for religious conservatives to shut up. We've done that for too long. No, it's time for religious conservatives to stand up and to speak out.”
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top