Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!) (2 Viewers)

[e_blazer]

I am 12 years younger than Biden and I sometimes get stuck remembering names. I am definitely not senile.

I’d probably vote for you, but you’re not running. A few incidents like this one on a long campaign trail are absolutely normal. Joe’s had more than a few and they weren’t all just simple brain fart situations. I’ve seen videos where he gets totally lost in his train of thought and can’t find his way back. I’m going to vote for him, but I have serious doubts about his ability to finish a first term.

 

[illmatic99]

Make it all about Trump, when my post was about Biden. This is the same typical twist the conversation away from the topic that both sides use when they want to deflect.

I think if you try, you could do better than this?

Explain to me your stance on then. Who would you have in these positions?

The two sides are clear.
1) Career politicians, with some semblance of diversity.
2) Old, white, failed business men.

 

[Road Ratt]

Explain to me your stance on then. Who would you have in these positions?

I just woke up and you rant at me from atop a soapbox in one post, then in the next post, want to give me homework?!?

You won't even say why you are ok with swamp in Biden's (possible) administration and I'm suppose to do all the work here?

 

[illmatic99]

I just woke up and you rant at me from atop a soapbox in one post, then in the next post, want to give me homework?!?

You won't even say why you are ok with swamp in Biden's (possible) administration and I'm suppose to do all the work here?

What homework? I'm just asking you who you would rather have.

And again with this swamp stuff. Why are career politicians BAD?

 

[Road Ratt]

What homework? I'm just asking you who you would rather have.

And again with this swamp stuff. Why are career politicians BAD?

You, most likely, didn't even watch the video, and now have me explaining things... to you, without giving any explanations of your own. You've shifted the burden onto me while deflecting away from yourself in this one-sided conversation. How about actually making a convincing argument of your own first, then I will reply with one of my own. Your knee jerk reaction to my original post isn't getting either of us anywhere.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Biden's swamp is already developing.

Give us a break. Do you actually think “the swamp” will EVER disappear???? Anyone who has been paying attention knows that that swamp has gotten much bigger, deeper and far more murky (and dangerous) the past 4 years. The choice isn’t about whether we WANT a swamp or not. The question is what KIND of swamp we can live with. For me, the choice is a no brainer........

 

[Road Ratt]

Give us a break. Do you actually think “the swamp” will EVER disappear???? Anyone who has been paying attention knows that that swamp has gotten much bigger, deeper and far more murky (and dangerous) the past 4 years. The choice isn’t about whether we WANT a swamp or not. The question is what KIND of swamp we can live with.

So, two party swamp is fine. I see.

For me, the choice is a no brainer........

I have never said that I don't want Trump out of office (I am never Trump, never Biden after all). Trump needs to be removed, possibly, in any manner possible for his crimes. That doesn't take away the fact that democrats are fine with their swamp, same as republicans are fine with theirs.

I can't see how anyone could be fine with this situation. Yet, both parties supporters seem to be perfectly fine with it.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

So, two party swamp is fine. I see.



I have never said that I don't want Trump out of office (I am never Trump, never Biden after all). Trump needs to be removed, possibly, in any manner possible for his crimes. That doesn't take away the fact that democrats are fine with their swamp, same as republicans are fine with theirs.

I can't see how anyone could be fine with this situation. Yet, both parties supporters seem to be perfectly fine with it.

Not sayin’ I’m fine with it in any way, shape or form. I’m just an old man who has been around long enough to know that life is pretty much “same shit, different day”. We don’t get to choose whether we want a swamp or not. That swamp is as old as America itself. What we DO get a say on (at least to a degree) is what kind of swamp we want. I’m just being realistic here. If you want to spend the rest of your days chasing an impossible (and improbable) dream, be my guest. You’ll only end up disappointed (and even more disillusioned than you already seem to be). I’m not trying to be patronizing or pedantic. I’m just sharing my own personal experience. You can accept it or reject it. Life moves on.....

 

[wizenheimer]

I have never said that I don't want Trump out of office (I am never Trump, never Biden after all). Trump needs to be removed, possibly, in any manner possible for his crimes. That doesn't take away the fact that democrats are fine with their swamp, same as republicans are fine with theirs.

I can't see how anyone could be fine with this situation. Yet, both parties supporters seem to be perfectly fine with it.

I apologize for the tone I'm going to use in advance, but from my perspective, your 'both-sides-suck-I-won't-support-either-because-I-want-perfection' idealism is useless and juvenile...sorry. You're basically left with protest votes that nobody gives a shit about, or not voting.

if you want money out of politics (good luck with that), then which side might be more receptive to working toward that goal? If you want government that adheres to science in a health crisis, which side offers the best hope for that? If you want government to stay out of your bedroom, which side is most likely to force it's way thru your bedroom door? If you think as a living being the environment you actually live in should be healthy and protected, which side seems more inclined to protect it? If you believe that everybody eligible to vote should have an equal opportunity to vote, which side has engineered a decades long campaign to suppress voting?

the list of actual substantive differences between the parties is nearly endless.

your 'never-trump-never-Biden' stuff is fundamentally you saying 4 more years of trump is ok with you. There's only one alternative in 2020. Your vote is your vote and you're free to do with it what you want. But I don't respect the 'both-sides-do-it' position at all because I recognize that matters of degree can make a different world

 

[Road Ratt]

I apologize for the tone I'm going to use in advance, but from my perspective, your 'both-sides-suck-I-won't-support-either-because-I-want-perfection' idealism is useless and juvenile...sorry.

You are way off here. I won't bother to go on.

Edit: Starting off a post by calling someone juvenile is, ironically, never the adult way to go.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

You are way off here. I won't bother to go on.

People like YOU are a huge part of the problem. Way to open up your mind to the world we actually live in. YouR response reflects your age.

 

[andalusian]

I’d probably vote for you, but you’re not running.

Write her in.

 

[illmatic99]

I apologize for the tone I'm going to use in advance, but from my perspective, your 'both-sides-suck-I-won't-support-either-because-I-want-perfection' idealism is useless and juvenile...sorry. You're basically left with protest votes that nobody gives a shit about, or not voting.

if you want money out of politics (good luck with that), then which side might be more receptive to working toward that goal? If you want government that adheres to science in a health crisis, which side offers the best hope for that? If you want government to stay out of your bedroom, which side is most likely to force it's way thru your bedroom door? If you think as a living being the environment you actually live in should be healthy and protected, which side seems more inclined to protect it? If you believe that everybody eligible to vote should have an equal opportunity to vote, which side has engineered a decades long campaign to suppress voting?

the list of actual substantive differences between the parties is nearly endless.

your 'never-trump-never-Biden' stuff is fundamentally you saying 4 more years of trump is ok with you. There's only one alternative in 2020. Your vote is your vote and you're free to do with it what you want. But I don't respect the 'both-sides-do-it' position at all because I recognize that matters of degree can make a different world

biden has not inspired me whatsoever. he was LAST on my list of dems in the primaries.

but i can very obviously realize the best of the worst when compared with trump. third party votes and random write ins for Bernie are what caused us this mess in 2016. hoping the majority of people who are stuck on the fence can compromise and end up picking a candidate they most closely agree with (even if it's not fully there).

this is 100% a result of our two party system or not having ranked choice voting, but those things aren't changing anytime soon.

 

[e_blazer]

Write her in.

Not a bad idea. At least if she ever said, "let them eat cake", people would be happy as long as she baked it.

 

[ABM]

Wrong answer, Joe....

 

[illmatic99]

Wrong answer, Joe....

why? in what way is your life better now than it was 4 yrs ago? And WTF has trump done to facilitate that?

220k people are dead. 20 million americans lost their jobs. we are in even more debt than we were after 2008. americans are BANNED from traveling to multiple developed nations. we are the laughing stock of much of the world.

People need to stop looking at the Dow when assessing how life is better now. newsflash: jeff bezos' net worth will do nothing for you.

 

[riverman]

Joe gave the honest answer....not a partisan exaggerrated bullshit answer....Trump supporters are usually shocked when people have actual convictions about their value systems....Joe is right...if you think America is better today than under 8 years of Obama...you probably would vote the incumbent. That would also mean you are very, very wealthy more than likely and don't rely on retail profits to survive the economic climate and global warming weather patterns. It would be a very self centered vote but that's your choice.

 

[wizenheimer]

Edit: Starting off a post by calling someone juvenile is, ironically, never the adult way to go.

I didn't call you juvenile....I called your incessant 'both-sides-suck' political argument juvenile. But maybe naive would be a better label

and I'll say again: in a less than perfect world, matters of degree make all the difference.

 

[HailBlazers]

People like YOU are a huge part of the problem. Way to open up your mind to the world we actually live in. YouR response reflects your age.

@Road Ratt's viewpoint was called useless and juvenile and HE'S the problem? IMO the problem is people being unable to have respectful dialogue and acting as if they have two mouths and one ear.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

@Road Ratt's viewpoint was called useless and juvenile and HE'S the problem? IMO the problem is people being unable to have respectful dialogue and acting as if they have two mouths and one ear.

Dude, we gave very respectful answers, citing our life’s experiences and making it exceedingly clear we weren’t trying to be patronizing. Did you actually read @Road Ratt’s answer? If anyone is being patronizing and refusing to have a reasonable discussion, it’s RR. I mean, this is the guy who has made posts blaming Boomers for all that is bad in the world. His mind is made up. He has no ears. Just the certainty of youth. Been there, done that, seen it. It’s a dead end.

 

[kjironman1]

 

[Lanny]

You go, man...

Who's Romney?

 

[Lanny]

DON'T DOXX MAGS. HE HAS A FEW STALKERS ON THIS BOARD.

I like Mags and always have. Like several others in here, I can disagree with his politics and still like him as a person. You should meet his mom because she is very impressive.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I like Mags and always have. Like several others in here, I can disagree with his politics and still like him as a person. You should meet his mom because she is very impressive.

TOO MUCH EFFORT.

 

[stampedehero]

Joe Biden's remarks after he got off his phone call with Warren Buffet.::
”We have to refuse to postpone what America has to do, the work we have to do. There’s nothing beyond our capacity, for God’s sake. Just got off the phone with Warren Buffett and talking about how we have position unlike we were 50, 70, 80 years ago to lead the whole damn world in a way that no one else can. There’s no limit to America’s future,” Biden said during a virtual fundraiser.

 

[wizenheimer]

@Road Ratt's viewpoint was called useless and juvenile and HE'S the problem? IMO the problem is people being unable to have respectful dialogue and acting as if they have two mouths and one ear.

I was the one who said, from my perspective, the both-sides-suck-so never-either was useless and juvenile. I later semi-amended juvenile to naive. RR has made dozens of posts advancing that particular political argument. When I make political arguments here, people are free to label them however they want. I'm prepared to defend my arguments, and I generally have thick enough skin not to get my shit in an uproar when the labels thrown my direction are dismissive

people are free to say the choices for president suck so much that it boils down to a lesser-of-two-evils choice they won't participate in. That's exactly what happened in 2016, and it helped generate the disaster of the last 4 years. So fuck no, I don't respect the position of both-sides-suck. I think the stakes are high enough that playing nice is not always worthwhile

 

[ABM]

why?

Well, if were truly sure of himself, I don't see him making a trite response like, "Well, if they don't approve of me, then they shouldn't vote for me." Or anything of that nature.

IMO, he'd be much better off telling the reporter WHY they should be voting for him. Plus, it would be a great sound bite.

 

[julius]

Well, if were truly sure of himself, I don't see him making a trite response like, "Well, if they don't approve of me, then they shouldn't vote for me." Or anything of that nature.

IMO, he'd be much better off telling the reporter WHY they should be voting for him. Plus, it would be a great sound bite.

Get real. You'd complain no matter how he said it.

 

[ABM]

Get real. You'd complain no matter how he said it.

When you trot out stuff like this, see, this is the road to all the likes. I just knew I was doing something wrong. I suppose I should care more.

 

[illmatic99]

Get real. You'd complain no matter how he said it.

notice how he decided to still not tell anyone how HIS life is better now than it was 4 yrs ago.

No leg to stand on. No substance.

he's a fraud and we all know it.