Twin

[Jizzy]

You think Twin lost some more weight during the offseason? Last year, it was a supposed big deal but not to much heard this time around. Wonder when Sussman is ready to enter his next set of observations. We have the translator nearby?

 

[SportsTicker]

The biggest difference is that he should get more rest and considering the shape of his knees, that could be a big help. With Krstic back, and the addition of Magloire and hopefully at some point Williams, plus the improvement of Boone, Collins may not need to play as many minutes as he did last season...and thus be more effective when he is out there. The losses of Krstic and Robinson put a lot more pressure on him last season.

 

[Dumpy]

Twin gets unfairly criticised. In an era where many players give a half-hearted effort, or just decide not to play for months (or seasons) at a time because of some nagging injury, Twin comes to play every day, and gives it his all despite injury-induced limitations. He stands in and gets battered blue by larger, stronger, physical players, but doesn't complain and gets back up. He gets elbowed in the head on every possession when facing Shaq, because it's his job, and gets called a "flopper" as a result. He's fearless, and continues to play hard despite obvious pain, and possibly chronic nerve and leg problems that could haunt him the rest of his life . . . yet all he gets from Nets fans is insults and complaints. He deserves credit, and a standing ovation.

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Twin gets unfairly criticised. In an era where many players give a half-hearted effort, or just decide not to play for months (or seasons) at a time because of some nagging injury, Twin comes to play every day, and gives it his all despite injury-induced limitations. He stands in and gets battered blue by larger, stronger, physical players, but doesn't complain and gets back up. He gets elbowed in the head on every possession when facing Shaq, because it's his job, and gets called a "flopper" as a result. He's fearless, and continues to play hard despite obvious pain, and possibly chronic nerve and leg problems that could haunt him the rest of his life . . . yet all he gets from Nets fans is insults and complaints. He deserves credit, and a standing ovation.</div>

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Agreed. Don't know where we would be without a physical presence as himself.</p>

 

[shookem]

Man, who let Jizzy in?</p>

J/K good to have you here bud/ cheers.</p>

 

[Dumpy]

When the Nets play the heat, I can never decide whether Twin is brilliant, or Shaq is just a moron. I suspect it is a little bit of both. When Shaq gets the ball in the post, roughly 90% of the time he turns to the left while holding his left elbow up and out before taking a shot. Twin guards him by placing his right hand right in the center of Shaq's back--so Shaq doesn't know what he's doing--and planting his head about eight inches behind and to the left of his left shoulder. When Shaq turns, he can't avoid elbowing Twin in the head. If Shaq just spun to the right more often, stepped out, learned to keep his elbow in, or did any other change of pace move, it would completely backfire, but Shaq is just so mechanical and used to running people over that the tries the same move over, and over, and over. Once in a while Shaq will spin to the right, and he'll be completely unguarded and can just power his way to the basket, because Twin will be completely out of position. But he'll only do it once a quarter or so. And for that, Shaq derides Collins as a "flopper." Shaq should be derided for being incapable of figuring out how to counter Twin's defense on him.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

@Shaq</p>

See Wade, Dwyane.</p>

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Twin gets unfairly criticised. In an era where many players give a half-hearted effort, or just decide not to play for months (or seasons) at a time because of some nagging injury, Twin comes to play every day, and gives it his all despite injury-induced limitations. He stands in and gets battered blue by larger, stronger, physical players, but doesn't complain and gets back up. He gets elbowed in the head on every possession when facing Shaq, because it's his job, and gets called a "flopper" as a result. He's fearless, and continues to play hard despite obvious pain, and possibly chronic nerve and leg problems that could haunt him the rest of his life . . . yet all he gets from Nets fans is insults and complaints. He deserves credit, and a standing ovation.</div>

</p> yes, he deserves credit, i gotta give him credit for playing thru injury, but...wouldn't it be better to have a healthy, not-injured collins..?

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Twin gets unfairly criticised. In an era where many players give a half-hearted effort, or just decide not to play for months (or seasons) at a time because of some nagging injury, Twin comes to play every day, and gives it his all despite injury-induced limitations. He stands in and gets battered blue by larger, stronger, physical players, but doesn't complain and gets back up. He gets elbowed in the head on every possession when facing Shaq, because it's his job, and gets called a "flopper" as a result. He's fearless, and continues to play hard despite obvious pain, and possibly chronic nerve and leg problems that could haunt him the rest of his life . . . yet all he gets from Nets fans is insults and complaints. He deserves credit, and a standing ovation.</div>

</p>yes, he deserves credit, i gotta give him credit for playing thru injury, but...wouldn't it be better to have a healthy, not-injured collins..?</div>

It depends what that player does, but regardless, it's a different issue. I personally think Collins works best alongside the starting unit, and would prefer to use him as the starting center, let him play 16 minutes a game, and bring Krstic off the bench.</p>

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>Twin gets unfairly criticised. In an era where many players give a half-hearted effort, or just decide not to play for months (or seasons) at a time because of some nagging injury, Twin comes to play every day, and gives it his all despite injury-induced limitations. He stands in and gets battered blue by larger, stronger, physical players, but doesn't complain and gets back up. He gets elbowed in the head on every possession when facing Shaq, because it's his job, and gets called a "flopper" as a result. He's fearless, and continues to play hard despite obvious pain, and possibly chronic nerve and leg problems that could haunt him the rest of his life . . . yet all he gets from Nets fans is insults and complaints. He deserves credit, and a standing ovation.</div>

</p>yes, he deserves credit, i gotta give him credit for playing thru injury, but...wouldn't it be better to have a healthy, not-injured collins..?</div>

It depends what that player does, but regardless, it's a different issue. I personally think Collins works best alongside the starting unit, and would prefer to use him as the starting center, let him play 16 minutes a game, and bring Krstic off the bench.</p></div>

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and i agree with that, i think it'd be great to bring krstic off the bench. but, of course, it's very doubtful that will happen, right? because, remember...when krstic was healthy, didn't frank use him in the post at the start of games? and, wouldn't it be good strategy to start out the games by throwing the ball to an inside player? correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think Jamaal Magloire is all that great in the post on offense. </p>

normally, i'd be all for a scoring punch off the bench, but i'm not too sure it should be krstic. </p>

 

[Dumpy]

I'm basing that on trying to utilize Collins the best possible way. I really think Collins is most effective playing with the unit of Carter, Kidd, and RJ, which happens for the first eight minutes or so of the first and third quarters. However, I'm not sure that COllins and Krstic together is a great combination. I agree that a post scorer is needed with Collins on the floor. Krstic is more of a mid-range jumpshooter, however. In fact, I believe that he had one of the highest percentage of blocked shots of all centers, and pretty much all of them come when he tries to score from underneath. Anyway, I think that Krstic and Boone would be pretty good together--Boone's offensive talents consist greatly of getting offensive rebounds and dunking, which would seem to match well with a jumpshooting front court partner who has a more prominent role in the offense.</p>

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[Kidd Karma]

I don't know what to make of it, "Twin and Boobs," had to check out the thread.</p>

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Darn it. wasn't Twin injured. I think Magloire helps alleviate the need for having Collins battle for more than 20 minutes a night. I think his size and banging is more needed than agility at the 4 spot. Plus I think he will not have a major role this season, barring injruy. </p>

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