Twitter rumor - Blazers to deal F Gerald Wallace for picks

[magnifier661]

people still listen to MM spout his "sources"?

Muahaha

MM has sources? Better not be a janitor!

 

[RR7]

no worries. I still haven't seen anything saying 12/14/16 or no ORL involvement. You could totally be right, but it hasn't been reported anywhere I've seen. Especially 5 hours ago.

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider
Nets offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 + Rockets 2012 pick.

 

[RoyToy]

no worries. I still haven't seen anything saying 12/14/16 or no ORL involvement. You could totally be right, but it hasn't been reported anywhere I've seen. Especially 5 hours ago.

It was Chad Ford

 

[THE HCP]

We have talked about this before........ BUT HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TIME AT WORK TO CHAT ON HERE ALL DAY AND NOT GET FIRED!!!!!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Good, let's put everything on hold for a while. Orlando can see what they got and Ptd can see what they got. Howard and Wallace's trade vaule only increases as the season goes on . . . no hurry to get this done before season starts (unless you are NJ or LA)

 

[blazerboy30]

a) we have our pick
b) we are rumored to get "multiple" picks
c) NJN was already offering 2 1sts to ORL for this
d) ORL is rumored to maybe sending theirs to us for Wallace.


There are 4 picks. If you don't think that one of NJN, ORL, HOU or POR will be in the conference finals, then that's 4 picks in the top 25.

You are including the pick that we ALREADY own in your "4 picks instead of Wallace".

That is terrible logic. Which basically makes the rest of your post less meaningful.

Now that that's solved...

Actually, it wasn't solved. It just showed a lack of logic.

how many of the last 4 draft picks were considered the "best draft in the decade?"

Oden's draft class was considered an amazing class. How did that turn out for us?

And I'm pretty sure that in a retooling/rebuilding process we're not going with Eurostashes, so you can drop the faux outrage over Claver.

Faux outrage? It is a fact that we picked him. There is no emotion or outraged tied to that statement.

Rush is foolish since he was only picked to complete the trade to Indy for Bayless.

Digging really deep for excuses, and also making an assumption that you have no clue about.

To be honest, your trading and/or drafting skills aren't at issue here.

But probability IS at issue here. And it is working against your analysis, even though it is already flawed.

4 1st rounders, even if immediately traded, are worth well more than an aging used-to-be-allstar SF on the downside of his career. Do I think he's a good player? Yes. Do I want him on the team? Of course. Am I keeping him for some faux sense that he's better than 4 cost-controlled first rounders in the deepest draft in a decade, at one-half the cap cost this summer and the same salary over the next 4 years (of which he'll play the next 18 months)? Hell no.

And now you resort back to the assumption that we'll draw superstars here with the extra money, and mixing the two issues again. You very well could be right that we could get a superstar here, but it has never happened before.

Chess. Not checkers.

Probabilities. Not a game.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

We have talked about this before........ BUT HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TIME AT WORK TO CHAT ON HERE ALL DAY AND NOT GET FIRED!!!!!

Funemployment has its priveleges.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so we could have had NJ 2018 #1? that draft is gonna be loaded!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

so we could have had NJ 2018 #1? that draft is gonna be loaded!

Hey--there's a 7th grader in Delaware that I've been scouting for that draft. He's gonna be sick!

 

[RR7]

Hey--there's a 7th grader in Delaware that I've been scouting for that draft. He's gonna be sick!

If by sick, you mean with a debilitating disease, then yeah, sounds like that's our target.

 

[Denny Crane]

even with your reasoning (which I've seen posted nowhere, but whatever), what's your answer? A, or B?

C. Re-sign Wallace.

 

[RoyToy]

We have talked about this before........ BUT HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TIME AT WORK TO CHAT ON HERE ALL DAY AND NOT GET FIRED!!!!!

Surfing the net while pushing the lawn mower isn't safe HCP

 

[Minstrel]

Hey--there's a 7th grader in Delaware that I've been scouting for that draft. He's gonna be sick!

If by sick, you mean with a debilitating disease, then yeah, sounds like that's our target.

Best exchange of this thread.

 

[Draco]

C. Re-sign Wallace.

You just blew his mind.

Yeah I think we can enter free agency with some flexibility next offseason, we make some long-shot pitch for Deron and Dwight to come here and team up with LaMarcus and Matthews. That probably doesn't work out, so then we have Gerald as a fall back plan along with bringing in another B level free agent. Maybe Gerald will happily follow Marcus Camby's career arch and stay in rip city on a reasonable 2 or 3 year contract.

 

[Minstrel]

Wallace has played his career in Sacramento and Charlotte before coming to the Blazers, and nothing has ever suggested he wasn't happy in those places because he wanted to be in a big market. If the Blazers want to re-sign him, I don't think that will be too difficult. And at 31, he'll only be late-prime. Yeah, he might be an "old 31," but hardly shot, most likely.

 

[craigehlo]

Maybe Gerald will happily follow Marcus Camby's career arch and stay in rip city on a reasonable 2 or 3 year contract.

I'm cool with that if we finally trade Batum. We need to get some value for Batum if are hitching our wagon to Wallace. Talk of Batum playing the 2 spot is a joke.

 

[RR7]

Wallace is definitely a small town guy.

 

[BrianFromWA]

crap. Post got deleted. But here's one tidbit I didn't want to leave behind:

Rush is foolish since he was only picked to complete the trade to Indy for Bayless.
Digging really deep for excuses, and also making an assumption that you have no clue about.

Brandon Rush was the first Kansas player to hear NBA commissioner David Stern call his name when the Portland Trailblazers selected him 13th overall. Rush wasn't a Trailblazer for long, though. Portland traded Rush to the Indiana Pacers shortly after. Rush said he anticipated the swap.

"My agent kind of told me about that when they called my name," Rush said on ESPN.

How many marquee free agents did MIA sign before the SuperFriends? Here's the list:
2010: Joel Anthony. Jamaal Magloire. Carlos Arroyo. Rafer Alston.
2009: Joel Anthony. Jamaal Magloire. Shaun Livingston. Matt Walsh. Luther Head.
2008: Daequan Cook, Joel Anthony, Jeremy Richardson and Marcus Slaughter. Smush Parker. Penny Hardaway. Alexander Johnson. Brian Chase. Luke Jackson. Bobby JOnes. Blake Ahearn. Stephen Lasme.
2007: Mike gansey. Chris Quinn. Daniel HOrton. Vincent Grier. Robert Hite. Alonzo Mourning. Dwyane Wade (extension). Gary Payton. Eddie Jones.
2006: Shaq (resigned). Udonis Haslem. Matt Walsh. Gary Payton. Shandon Anderson. Jason Kapono. Gerald Fitch.
2005: Qyntel Woods. Alonzo Mourning.
What would've been your probability in January 2010 that within 6 months, and with a boatload of Cap Space, SuperFriends would be in MIA?

 

[Minstrel]

What would've been your probability in January 2010 that within 6 months, and with a boatload of Cap Space, SuperFriends would be in MIA?

Is your line of reasoning "Improbable things happen, so we should plan on something improbable happening for Portland"? Because that's the theme I get from your posts. You mention the fact that late-round gems are found in the draft, even though it was improbable for the team that found them, as reasoning why Portland should pick up non-top-ten draft picks. You mention that Miami, against precedent, signed two marquee free agents as reasoning why cap space should be attractive to Portland.

Yes, improbable things do happen from time to time. That doesn't mean they weren't improbable and it doesn't seem like a sound way to do future planning.

 

[RR7]

Miami and Portland just seem like two totally different destinations to me. I don't know why. Can't place my finger on it exactly.

 

[Reep]

I'm cool with that if we finally trade Batum. We need to get some value for Batum if are hitching our wagon to Wallace. Talk of Batum playing the 2 spot is a joke.

Why? He shoots the three well, he has a nice mid-range shot, he curls off screens well for shots, he handles much better than Matthews, and he can defend 1-4. He is smaller than Durant, who can play the 2. What doesn't Nic have in order to play the 2?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Rumors are dead... let this thread die also.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Rumors are dead... let this thread die also.

I got drunk and tried to trade Gerald Wallace.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Miami and Portland just seem like two totally different destinations to me. I don't know why. Can't place my finger on it exactly.

If MIA was a happenin' place before last year, where were all of their free agents?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Mike Rice was geeked last night on twitter. A 'world shocker' of a move.

Buy or sell: Mike Rice is currently incoherently drunk right now?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

it was considered a possibility because miami had wade and tons of cap space, revisionism doesnt change that

 

[BrianFromWA]

Is your line of reasoning "Improbable things happen, so we should plan on something improbable happening for Portland"? Because that's the theme I get from your posts. You mention the fact that late-round gems are found in the draft, even though it was improbable for the team that found them, as reasoning why Portland should pick up non-top-ten draft picks. You mention that Miami, against precedent, signed two marquee free agents as reasoning why cap space should be attractive to Portland.

Yes, improbable things do happen from time to time. That doesn't mean they weren't improbable and it doesn't seem like a sound way to do future planning.

No, the line of reasoning is "look at the realities of the NBA, and not some probablistic model with faulty entering arguments."

There haven't been very many teams in the last decade who were a) playoff teams, b) had a young all-star-level player locked up long-term, and c) 30+ M in cap space. The ones who did have that...well, I'll let you look that one up.

It's improbable that a team would get to that state of all 3 happening. The Blazers can be there, and could've (as rumored) had multiple first-round picks in addition. That's something that hasn't happened before.

I mentioned MIA because it wasn't South Beach and Sunshine that made FA's go there. South Beach and Sunshine without 2x max cap space got them Joel Anthony and Chris Quinn. If they would've had only 1x Max slot, SuperFriends "probably" don't happen. As we're noticing, money talks. Why is Nene in DEN? Why did Jordan sign with GSW (and get matched by LAL)? Even with Chandler, did he give up more money somewhere else to go to NYK?

 

[BrianFromWA]

it was considered a possibility because miami had wade and tons of cap space, revisionism doesnt change that

We have the potential of LMA, Batum and just as much cap space, but with multiple 1st rounders thrown in. Are you also saying it's "improbable" to happen here, b/c it hasn't happened before?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

no, i was actually saying in other threads that if lma beasts out and becomes a top 5 player we have a GREAT shot at a superteam actually

 

[BrianFromWA]

gotcha, I thought you were saying I was being revisionist.