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B-Roy said:
Cool. If you have been watching the games you’d see how Aytons problems are mostly his own fault. You wouldn’t be able to see from highlights or radio calls.
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there are full recaps of all the games to watch and as I said I've watched plenty of them...I've seen Ayton play enough to know he's got a money jumper at the elbow...a great free throw stroke...rebounds well but doesn't have great hands or set great screens. If you have specifics you've observed from him, maybe address those without the blanket statements next time. He's just come back from injury and has played with a different starting lineup most of the games he's played. Chemistry takes reps. He's the least of my concerns roster wise so far.As to the radio guys, they have a better live view of the game than you do. They are engaged in the whole game, good and bad. You probably haven't followed their broadcasts...I like them better than Calabro. Radio team is top notch in Portland.
 
Tince said:
You think Ant wants out?
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naaaah, Anfernee loves being a Blazer. Every GM benches their best players for an entire month (or more). He can go all out in a shortened season, and eventually his company will tell him to stop. Time for tank Blazers.

Now... that 2025/2026 Blazer team will be crazy. That'll be a contract extension year for Ant, and the Blazers will be stuffed full of super rookies. MVP Simons... 35ppg... waaaaa ?!?
 
Blazinaway said:
what was the "bench stare" thing he did about last game?
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LOL, NO. Any reaction towards the bench yesterday was because of a shot or and-1, etc. He ended up on the floor after a pick, threw the ball ahead, stared down the bench and slapped the floor after the stop.
 
riverman said:
there are full recaps of all the games to watch and as I said I've watched plenty of them...I've seen Ayton play enough to know he's got a money jumper at the elbow...a great free throw stroke...rebounds well but doesn't have great hands or set great screens. If you have specifics you've observed from him, maybe address those without the blanket statements next time. He's just come back from injury and has played with a different starting lineup most of the games he's played. Chemistry takes reps. He's the least of my concerns roster wise so far.As to the radio guys, they have a better live view of the game than you do. They are engaged in the whole game, good and bad. You probably haven't followed their broadcasts...I like them better than Calabro. Radio team is top notch in Portland.
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Yeah, a lot of comments lately have been an overreaction. All the things you say about him are true. Jumper is great, good ft shooter, good defender when he wants to be.

Even though I haven’t turned on DA like a lot of people have, but there are valid reasons to be concerned. The effort is just not there at times. You would’ve thought that that after started 3/4, he would demand the ball more, but he ended up 3/5. Even if you still support DA, that should still bother you. I’m hoping you’re right, that it’s just working his way back from injury.

But really, he has guys talking about wanting Reath as the starting center. DA was a +1 and Reath was a -8, and people are actually talking about it. It’s an overreaction, but it’s concerning still.
 
Maybe the way to get back on the winning track is to quit throwing up 3-pointers, which is easy and lazy, and start going to the hoop.
 
Nice job by Camara to attack the hoop instead of taking the 3-pointer.
 
BankTeller said:
Yeah, a lot of comments lately have been an overreaction. All the things you say about him are true. Jumper is great, good ft shooter, good defender when he wants to be.

Even though I haven’t turned on DA like a lot of people have, but there are valid reasons to be concerned. The effort is just not there at times. You would’ve thought that that after started 3/4, he would demand the ball more, but he ended up 3/5. Even if you still support DA, that should still bother you. I’m hoping you’re right, that it’s just working his way back from injury.

But really, he has guys talking about wanting Reath as the starting center. DA was a +1 and Reath was a -8, and people are actually talking about it. It’s an overreaction, but it’s concerning still.
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Losing can do that.
 
Simons just jacked up a very unnecessary shot.

he was 2-8 on threes last game so I would think he'd be a little more choosy on his attempts.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Simons just jacked up a very unnecessary shot.

he was 2-8 on threes last game so I would think he'd be a little more choosy on his attempts.
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I mean, like 2-3 of those were in the last couple of minutes when we were down more than 10 points. He was also 11/14 of 2pt which some people were on him for the last few games.

But yeah, you’re right dude.
 
IMO, the defensive regression has more to do with who is playing less - which I guess is a direct result of getting back two point guards that need 20-30 MPG. Eye test tells me we played the best defense when we had two of Camara/Thybulle/Walker/Grant at the forwards and Shaedon at the two, allowing us to switch most actions. Return of Ant + Brogdon means less minutes for the forwards and a lot more three guard lineups that are (as Portland should know very well), very bad defensively. Hell, even Kris Murray was solid defensively when he had to be inserted into the lineup.
 
B-Roy said:
IMO, the defensive regression has more to do with who is playing less - which I guess is a direct result of getting back two point guards that need 20-30 MPG. Eye test tells me we played the best defense when we had two of Camara/Thybulle/Walker/Grant at the forwards and Shaedon at the two, allowing us to switch most actions. Return of Ant + Brogdon means less minutes for the forwards and a lot more three guard lineups that are (as Portland should know very well), very bad defensively. Hell, even Kris Murray was solid defensively when he had to be inserted into the lineup.
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I'm doin the math while I type this:

Camara - November 353 minutes in 14 games = 25.2 minutes...December 193 minutes in 7 games = 27.6 minutes

Thybulle - November 332 minutes in 14 games = 23.2 minutes...December 184 minutes in 7 games = 26.3 minutes

Walker - November 250 minutes in 14 games = 17.9 minutes...December 142 minutes in 7 games = 20.3 minutes

so then, all three players are actually logging more minutes since Ant returned. Meaning the defensive regression isn't due to the better defenders playing less. It might be partly due to Ayton missing 3 games, but he's also been back for 3 games and the defense is still bad. The last 3 games with Ayton saw defensive ratings of 128.6; 126.3; and 122.4. The season mark is 115.6 so the average in Ayton's 3 games back is 10.1 points worse than the season average

now, since it's apparently not a minutes distribution, it could be a rotation issue. The combinations of players on the floor being different. But that really seems like a stretch. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation. I can't say for certain whether Portland ranked 9th or 10th in defensive rating prior to Ant's return. But in the 6 games since, their rating has dropped more than 2.5 points to 17th. That sure looks like a correlation but I'm open to other answers or a combination of causes

it might also have something to do with Scoot. Ant has a defensive rating of 119; Scoot's is 120. Ant has a DBPM of -1.5; Scoot's is -2.3. Portland played their best defense when Brogdon and Sharpe were starting in the back-court, and Ant & Scoot were out. Bringing back nearly 60 minutes a game for Ant+Scoot may be the primary issue
 
wizenheimer said:
now, since it's apparently not a minutes distribution, it could be a rotation issue. The combinations of players on the floor being different. But that really seems like a stretch. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation. I can't say for certain whether Portland ranked 9th or 10th in defensive rating prior to Ant's return. But in the 6 games since, their rating has dropped more than 2.5 points to 17th. That sure looks like a correlation but I'm open to other answers or a combination of causes

it might also have something to do with Scoot. Ant has a defensive rating of 119; Scoot's is 120. Ant has a DBPM of -1.5; Scoot's is -2.3. Portland played their best defense when Brogdon and Sharpe were starting in the back-court, and Ant & Scoot were out. Bringing back nearly 60 minutes a game for Ant+Scoot may be the primary issue
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Ant didn't come back till the 6th, the Utah game on the 2nd shifts the average minutes distribution.

But regardless, there's probably more than one issue, but it's definitely not helping to have to play 3 starting point guards lots of minutes together.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/a...ntity=2&DateFrom=12/06/2023&DateTo=12/18/2023

It's somewhat noisy to parse the 2 man lineups, because most of our lineups are hugely negative, but:

Scoot/Sharpe is -20.4
Brog/Simons is -16.4
Scoot/Brog is -26.8
Ant/Sharpe is -11.3
Ant/Scoot is -12.8

Brog/Sharpe is +1.2 (!!!)

Sample size is still a bit small, but does seem to support that last point.

Also, this 3 man lineup has somehow played 13 minutes together and are -33.7. That is impressively bad. There's no situation where all 3 of these guards should be on the floor at the same time.

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wizenheimer said:
in other words, the Blazers have yet to learn the lessons of failure about undersized rotations
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In this situation, I'm sure Chauncey knows, but he kind of has to play all 3 guys for various reasons, and W/L doesn't matter.

Still, I'd like to see Brogdon traded sooner rather than later. Crazy how this season we went from 3 starting point guards to 0 and now we're back to 3.
 
It’s one team. Their record is 6-19 so far.
They pretty much stink this year.
 
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