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SlyPokerDog said:
I think biomedical research has a greater chance to improve Portland's economy vs the last mayor's agenda of bicycle lanes, streetcars to nowhere and food carts.
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I forget the thread, but I touched on the biomedical incubator model being used to build SoWa. I think it's a smart move. It attracts exactly the kind of people you want to come to Portland and creates a critical mass of a growth industry.
 
maxiep said:
Oops. Should have read the entire thread before I posted.
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Nah, it's nice to see you post that. Portland lacks an economic plan for the future, people have this utopia vision and no way to pay for it.
 
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When people say its not as important as Parkinson's because its something people bring on themselves, and by far the largest affected group are gay men, isn't that another way of saying people bring it on by being gay? Only 9% are from intravenous drug use so that can't be it.
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Parkinson's isn't a behavior based (primarily) disease. AIDS is ( and not just by homosexual sex, by the way), and until people want to talk about that fact, then the disparity in fundraising is a joke. FWIW, gays are one of the highest income demographics in the country. That can't be connected to the ridiculously amount of government money spent in terms of percentage on AIDS research though, right?
 
maxiep said:
Oops. Should have read the entire thread before I posted.
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The regressive tax structure on corporations moving into Portland drives away business. Unless, of course, the City Council is willing to waive corporate taxes. That's why some businesses are still in Portland.
 
I have explained my thinking, and as I said earlier, I really wasn't trying to get into this type of exchange. Nothing interesting is even being argued, I read between the lines and you say there is nothing between the lines. Ok, nowhere to go from there.
 
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I have explained my thinking, and as I said earlier, I really wasn't trying to get into this type of exchange. Nothing interesting is even being argued, I read between the lines and you say there is nothing between the lines. Ok, nowhere to go from there.
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That's fair, but the amount of federal money being spent on AIDS versus cancer is a joke to me. I don't think anyone deserves to die, but I read the anger in crandc's posts and wonder what the hell she is upset about. AIDS is the most studied virus in history, in terms of money spent on it.
 
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I have explained my thinking, and as I said earlier, I really wasn't trying to get into this type of exchange. Nothing interesting is even being argued, I read between the lines and you say there is nothing between the lines. Ok, nowhere to go from there.
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between the lines is where you live..gawd damn you piss me off. gain a perpsective of your own and stand by it

you think that the poipular view is the safe one? fuck no! if you want to express your self find something that you have passion for and stand by that..wishy washy is bull shit

I like you as a poster..you have smarts..fuck, use it
 
DaLincolnJones said:
between the lines is where you live..gawd damn you piss me off. gain a perpsective of your own and stand by it

you think that the poipular view is the safe one? fuck no! if you want to express your self find something that you have passion for and stand by that..wishy washy is bull shit

I like you as a poster..you have smarts..fuck, use it
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Thats' a rep.
 
PapaG said:
That's fair, but the amount of federal money being spent on AIDS versus cancer is a joke to me. I don't think anyone deserves to die, but I read the anger in crandc's posts and wonder what the hell she is upset about. AIDS is the most studied virus in history, in terms of money spent on it.
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I don't know the monetary splitt, but I agree more should go towards cancer, I just disagree that less should go towards AIDS. There is a reason why it is so heavily stuied with 25 million already dead, and since it spreads relatively easy. Without the research done so far, I imagine not only would many millions who live with HIV be dead, but millions more would be infected. I have never been involved in any way with AIDS research but I have either been directly or tangentially involved with Cancer, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research over the past few years. I most certainly see the need to increase research in these areas. I also see the need to research HIV.

And one more thing to consider is heavily researching any one area (HIV/AIDS in this case ) tend to also help many other areas of science because it enables a much deeper look into the workings of our biology, pathways used, enzymes expressed and so on. As I pointed earlier in this thread, it looks like the most recent breakthrough could directly lead to a novel type of vaccines that may allow us to vaccinate many diseases that were previously eluding us. It's possible this AIDS research could lead to vaccines for malaria, TB or he Flu.

Overall, I'm a huge supporter of more funding of the sciences. I'm willing to make cuts in almost any other government spending because I believe this research brings in a healthier life, a happier people, a richer society, tons of small businesses, and a bunch of real good will.
MarAzul said:
I know zero with AIDs, but I know 3 with Parkinson's.
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thats who you know. Numerically HIV and Parkinson's affects about the same number of people in America, about 150,000 more have aids, but it's close. Personally, I only know one person well, right now, who as either, and he has Parkinson's. I knew more people in the past with AIDS. A lot has to do with your community. Hang out with the elderly, or hang out with gay men, and that may skew ones personal results.

DaLincolnJones said:
between the lines is where you live..gawd damn you piss me off. gain a perpsective of your own and stand by it

you think that the poipular view is the safe one? fuck no! if you want to express your self find something that you have passion for and stand by that..wishy washy is bull shit

I like you as a poster..you have smarts..fuck, use it
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I really don't know what point you want me to defend. Ask a specific question and I'll do my best to explain my views. I thought I was, but I'll try again.
 
fuck all you gays and old people, I wish they cure something that effected me instead.
 
donkiez said:
fuck all you gays and old people, I wish they cure something that effected me instead.
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This could also lead to cures for both herpes and an cheese-engorged labia minora, so it does affect you too.
 
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Gays are not "one of the highest income groups". That's one of the myths spread to make it seem like we don't need equal rights because we are doing so well.

When you look at something other than professional gay white men you see a very different picture. Black and Hispanic gays, working class lesbians, transpeople are anything but prosperous.

I am fucking angry. I am angry that the Reagan administration ignored AIDS despite pleas from public health officials for years while thousands got sick. I am angry that the first ever statement on AIDS by a U.S. cabinet level official was from the attorney general talking about protecting "innocent people" from AIDS. No one talks about protecting innocent people from cancer, it's seen as a disease, not a crime. I am angry that in this thread there are still those who try to differentiate between innocent people with AIDS (like a rape victim, but fuck she was probably asking for it) and guilty people with AIDS who have consenting sex. I am angry that in 2013 schools all over this country are required to teach abstinence only and are not even permitted to talk about condoms. I am angry that real clinics are being forced to shut down all over the country while hundreds of fake "crisis pregnancy centers" that employ no medical staff and perform no services and are well known to provide false information get public funds to tell clients that condoms are designed to be porous and won't protect. I am fucking angry that the Catholic Church in Africa has destroyed shipments of condoms. I am angry that assholes respond to a possible genuine breakthrough by saying these people brought it on themselves. I am angry because to this day and to the end of my life I wake up every fucking day mourning the loss of someone I loved. I am fucking angry because I have seen what advanced AIDS does to a beautiful face. I am angry because people are telling me I should not be angry about this shit. I am fucking angry and I am fucking staying that way.
 
PapaG said:
That's fair, but the amount of federal money being spent on AIDS versus cancer is a joke to me. I don't think anyone deserves to die, but I read the anger in crandc's posts and wonder what the hell she is upset about. AIDS is the most studied virus in history, in terms of money spent on it.
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http://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending.aspx
AIDs 3m$/year
Cancer 5.5m$/year
 
PapaG said:
Cancer doesn't discriminate in its victims, though. AIDS is mostly a behavior-based disease that has "protected classes" in its majority demographic.
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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/wyntk/cancer/page3
Risk Factors

Doctors often cannot explain why one person develops cancer and another does not. But research shows that certain risk factors increase the chance that a person will develop cancer. These are the most common risk factors for cancer:

Growing older
Tobacco
Sunlight
Ionizing radiation
Certain chemicals and other substances
Some viruses and bacteria
Certain hormones
Family history of cancer
Alcohol
Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight
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I could 2 out 9 things which you cannot control yourself. It sounds to me like Cancer risk is DEFINITELY behavior based.
http://www.aicr.org/learn-more-abou...rtality.html?gclid=CJPn9MvPyLkCFYl_QgodcV4Ajg

Cancer causes causes 7.6m/deaths per year compared to 1.6m/deaths from AIDS. (Good point about overshadowing, you were spot on there)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cancer_mortality_rates
Numbers 3 is esophogial cancer (throat cancer) which is primarily caused by tobacco and HPV (Both lifestyle choices) and number 4 is lung cancer (DUH)
 
Sorry, I didn't think people cared about science based on the general reactions around here. I'm glad we are having a real science discussion!!! =]
 
crandc said:
Gays are not "one of the highest income groups". That's one of the myths spread to make it seem like we don't need equal rights because we are doing so well.

When you look at something other than professional gay white men you see a very different picture. Black and Hispanic gays, working class lesbians, transpeople are anything but prosperous.

I am fucking angry. I am angry that the Reagan administration ignored AIDS despite pleas from public health officials for years while thousands got sick. I am angry that the first ever statement on AIDS by a U.S. cabinet level official was from the attorney general talking about protecting "innocent people" from AIDS. No one talks about protecting innocent people from cancer, it's seen as a disease, not a crime. I am angry that in this thread there are still those who try to differentiate between innocent people with AIDS (like a rape victim, but fuck she was probably asking for it) and guilty people with AIDS who have consenting sex. I am angry that in 2013 schools all over this country are required to teach abstinence only and are not even permitted to talk about condoms. I am angry that real clinics are being forced to shut down all over the country while hundreds of fake "crisis pregnancy centers" that employ no medical staff and perform no services and are well known to provide false information get public funds to tell clients that condoms are designed to be porous and won't protect. I am fucking angry that the Catholic Church in Africa has destroyed shipments of condoms. I am angry that assholes respond to a possible genuine breakthrough by saying these people brought it on themselves. I am angry because to this day and to the end of my life I wake up every fucking day mourning the loss of someone I loved. I am fucking angry because I have seen what advanced AIDS does to a beautiful face. I am angry because people are telling me I should not be angry about this shit. I am fucking angry and I am fucking staying that way.
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Not only did Reagan authorize funding of AIDS research, he ramped up the spending as the disease spread.

As a point of reference, ~3000 (too many!) were diagnosed per year while he was increasing federal AIDS research spending.

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In 1985, he told a press conference:

"Including what we have in the budget for ’86, it will amount to over a half a billion dollars that we have provided for research on AIDS, in addition to what I’m sure other medical groups are doing. And we have $100 million in the budget this year; it’ll be 126 million next year. So, this is a top priority with us. Yes, there’s no question about the seriousness of this and the need to find an answer."

In 1978, Reagan helped defeat the homophobic prop 6. He said at the time:

“Whatever else it is,” Reagan wrote, “homosexuality is not a contagious disease like the measles. Prevailing scientific opinion is that an individual’s sexuality is determined at a very early age and that a child’s teachers do not really influence this.” Reagan added: “Since the measure does not restrict itself to the classroom, every aspect of a teacher’s personal life could presumably come under suspicion. What constitutes ‘advocacy’ of homosexuality? Would public opposition to Proposition 6 by a teacher — should it pass — be considered advocacy?”

Robert Kaiser wrote for WaPost in 1984:

“The Reagans are also tolerant about homosexual men,” Kaiser wrote. “Their interior decorator, Ted Graber, who oversaw the redecoration of the White House, spent a night in the Reagans’ private White House quarters with his male lover, Archie Case, when they came to Washington for Nancy Reagan’s 60th birthday party — a fact confirmed for the press by Mrs. Reagan’s press secretary



In his book And the Band Played On, Randy Shilts notes that in 1983 New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a hero to liberals, nixed (on fiscal grounds) the Republican-dominated state senate's bid to spend $5.2 million on AIDS research and prevention programs. Cuomo's state health commissioner responded to criticism by saying that hypertension was a more important health issue for the state.

Yes, we could have spent more, but that can always be said of federal spending. And it's unclear that additional funding would have accomplished much. "You could have poured half the national budget into AIDS in 1983, and it would have gone down a rat hole," says Michael Fumento, an author specializing in health and science issues. We simply didn't know enough about the disease early on to spend huge sums wisely.
Gay journalist Bob Roehr, who has closely followed AIDS developments for 20 years, concurs. "I have little reason to believe that a different course of action by Reagan would have significantly altered the scientific state of knowledge" toward a "cure" or vaccine, he says.

Aside from spending, it was Reagan's surgeon general who sent the first-ever bulletin to all American homes warning explicitly about AIDS transmission. Reagan created the first presidential commission dealing with AIDS. And, in 1988, Reagan barred discrimination against federal employees with HIV.


- See more at: http://igfculturewatch.com/2004/06/24/reagan-and-aids-a-reassessment/#sthash.fOxX8Kqh.dpuf
 
Denny, you can't post that stuff though because it doesn't make the liberals happy
 
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