Tyreke Evans or Wesley Mathews?...

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Run BJM]

I'd rather have Matthews next to Lillard.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Tyreke, no question.

http://bkref.com/tiny/mLHqi

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I'd rather have Matthews next to Lillard.

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[Hobbesarable]

Matthews in the starting lineup. Tyreke off the bench!

 

[BlazerWookee]

Matthews, but not by as wide a margin as you might think.

 

[Sinobas]

Mathews is having a great season, hard to vote against him here. He's been such a great 3pt shooter, and he has a good attitude, none of the baggage that many players have.

 

[B-Roy]

Matthews is a much better fit because he can shoot.

 

[PapaG]

The Blazers are fine with a SG who can defend a bit and is a scorer on offense who can camp out and shoot threes.

Matthews is fine for this team. I think Evans is a much better player offensively, but that isn't really needed, and Evans' skill-set would be wasted being the 4th option.

 

[e_blazer]

Matthews, absolutely, because of his defense and 3 pt shooting. His defense on LeBron last night was stellar and without his 3 pt shots, the Blazers lose the game.

 

[Rhal]

Evans if your looking for a #1 option mathews if anything else

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[RR7]

Tyreke, no question.

http://bkref.com/tiny/mLHqi

What within the stat comparison makes it no question for you?

 

[LuckyShot]

Wes. Tyreke is a one trick pony. Wes is a guy who can contribute without being the focal point and brings much better intangibles.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I like Tyreke but Wes is a great fit next to Lillard.

The King to go after, after DMC ( ), is The Jimmer.

 

[blue9]

Wes, and it's not even close. Evans is a loser. The only way he'll be a winner is playing 20ish minutes off the bench.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Wes, and it's not even close. Evans is a loser. The only way he'll be a winner is playing 20ish minutes off the bench.

Sounds a little bit like what people said about Hickson when he was a King.

 

[Haakzilla]

...Wessy Wes, all day, without question!

 

[blue9]

Sounds a little bit like what people said about Hickson when he was a King.

What good is a wing who can't shoot OR defend. At least Bowen carved out a niche as a premier defender since he had zero offense (other than the corner 3).
Evans would be fine coming in against 2nd units where he could drive to the hoop with reckless abandon. Other than that, he lacks basketball skills.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Tyreke as 6th man. Want both.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wes is a good catch and shoot player which is a great compliment for a pick and roll point guard like Lillard who absolutely needs to handle the ball a lot to make things happen for this team. That said, if Tyreke Evans could ever be content to come off the bench in a sixth-man designated scorer roll I think he could be pretty devastating feasting on second unit guys and being a change of pace attacking guard 26-30 minutes a night.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Chemistry is huge in basketball. Having a bunch of like-minded individuals goes a long way in either bringing your team down or building it up.

I'm sure that ya'll can attest to that as fans from the infamous "Jail Blazers" era just much as Kings fans can attest to their current mess. Someone should have told Sactown on draft night that adding a quiet Mormon kid to your roster won't fix having characters like Cousins and Evans on your squad.

I heard Barkley on TNT last night saying that Evans has been spoiled by having all of the bad characters around him, but I don't think he knows Evans' back-story. Being a big high school recruiting and NCAA fan, I remember Tyreke when he was an untouchable, can't miss prospect, but the problems even then were the people he surrounded himself with.

One of my favorite sayings about Tyreke is, "He can drive, but he can't shoot!" I don't know which one of my friends or family members said that, but it's not only true of his game but also the time that Tyreke's cousin killed a man in high school in a gang related incident, where there were many allegations about Tyreke being the shooter, but when it was all said and done, he was just an unsuspecting "driver." The whole incident reeks of promising his cousin a big future pay day to take the rap for him. Regardless of the details, that have been reported in all sorts of ways, this is a guy who showed up to a University of Memphis game on a recruiting trip with his whole "Team Tyreke" wearing Villanova gear, and a few weeks later, Villanova had more or less disowned him.

Moral of the story: Tyreke's not only a selfish player, but he's got the danger to be a lockerroom headcase. Your team seems to have amazing chemistry, and surrounding Damian Lillard with a player like Evans would not only be detrimental to him on the court, but in my opinion, he'd bring him down off the court as well.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Matthews without question. Evans seems like a blackhole and a bit of a cancer to me. He and Dame would not mesh well.

 

[BBert]

I agree with the consensus: Wes isn't necessarily a top SG in the league, but he's a good fit and a good team player. Now that we have Lillard, a ball dominant SG is not a good idea unless he's coming off the bench, and in Stotts' game plan, all our wings need to be able to hit the three.

 

[HailBlazers]

Tyreke as 6th man. Want both.

This without question, you can't let go of Wes but direly need a sixth man

 

[Pinwheel1]

What good is a wing who can't shoot OR defend. At least Bowen carved out a niche as a premier defender since he had zero offense (other than the corner 3).
Evans would be fine coming in against 2nd units where he could drive to the hoop with reckless abandon. Other than that, he lacks basketball skills.

I knew I could find something to agree with you on. You are exactly right on this. I sense that the ones who would choose Evans over Wes do no have the NBA League Pass. They are still under the assumption that Tyreke plays like he did his Rookie year. I agree he would be effective off the bench, but not along side Lillard. He rarely puts any effort into D and that is half the game.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Matthews, and it's not even remotely close. Matthews is a winner who makes his team better. Evans is a loser who makes his team worse. Anyone who looks at the stats and thinks Evans is better needs to look at something other than scoring average. Evens is a terribly inefficient scorer and a bad defender. Matthews is a much more efficient scorer and better defender.

Career eFG%:
Tyreke Evans: .459
Wesley Matthews: .522

Career WS/48:
Tyreke Evans: .062
Wesley Matthews: .114

Every year he's been in the league, Evans offensive rating (ORtg) has been significantly lower than his defensive rating (DRtg). In other words, he gives up more points than he produces. He has a negative impact on his team's performance.

Tyreke Evans (ORtg, DRtg):
2009-10: 107, 110
2010-11: 99, 109
2011-12: 103, 111
2012-13: 106, 110
Career: 103, 110

By comparison, Wesley Matthews has a higher offensive rating than defensive rating every single year of his career. In other words, Matthews produces more points than he allows. He has a positive impact on his team's performance.

Wesley Matthews (ORtg, DRtg):
2009-10: 113, 108
2010-11: 114, 109
2011-12: 110, 108
2012-13: 112, 109
Career: 112, 108

So, over the course of their careers, Evans gives up 7 more points per 48 minutes than he produces and Matthews produces 4 more points per 48 than he gives up. That's a 11 point/48 difference in Wesley's favor.

As bad as the Kings have been during Evans' four years in the league, they are actually worse with him on the court than off the court. Here's his Net On Court/Off Court stats from 82games.com:

Tyreke Evans (Net On Court/Off Court):
2009-10: -5.3
2010-11: +1.7
2011-12: -2.6
2012-13: -2.5

Wesley Matthews (Net On Court/Off Court):
2009-10: -0.9
2010-11: +3.9
2011-12: +6.7
2012-13: +8.0

Other than a slightly negative Net On Court/Off Court his rookie season, Wesley Matthews has had a significant positive net impact on his team's performance. And While Evans continues to wallow in negative territory, Matthews has significantly improved his Net On Court/Off Court contributions every year he's been in the league.

Looking at the advanced stats, it's very clear Matthews has a MUCH more positive impact on his team's performance than Evans.

And, that's just on court impact. Given Evans' selfish, immature attitude and potential off court problems, I don't want him anywhere near this team, not even as a 6th man backing up Matthews.

Plus, Evans has missed a significant number of games in 2 of his 4 seasons due to injuries. Do we really want another injury prone player on our roster? By comparison, Wesley Matthews is an iron man who plays through injuries and recently had his consecutive games played streak end at 250 (second highest in the league at that point). Wes shows up to play, plays hard every night and plays through pain.

Wesley Mattews is a mature, hard working player who continues to work on improving his game every off season. He's a good shooter and works hard on defense. He's a good example, a good leader, with a positive attitude that has a positive impact on his teammates both on and off the court. He's exactly the kind of player I want on my team and in my locker room. I'd rather Tyreke Evans infect someone else's locker room with his negativity, selfishness and sense of entitlement. I'm not sure where I want him to end up next, Minnesota, or the Lakers...

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

The Blazers are fine with a SG who can defend a bit and is a scorer on offense who can camp out and shoot threes.

Matthews is fine for this team. I think Evans is a much better player offensively, but that isn't really needed, and Evans' skill-set would be wasted being the 4th option.

You never liked the Matthews signing.

 

[PapaG]

You never liked the Matthews signing.

The question was Evans or Matthews.

Derp.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Matthews, and it's not even remotely close. Matthews is a winner who makes his team better. Evans is a loser who makes his team worse. Anyone who looks at the stats and thinks Evans is better needs to look at something other than scoring average. Evens is a terribly inefficient scorer and a bad defender. Matthews is a much more efficient scorer and better defender.

Career eFG%:
Tyreke Evans: .459
Wesley Matthews: .522

Career WS/48:
Tyreke Evans: .062
Wesley Matthews: .114

Every year he's been in the league, Evans offensive rating (ORtg) has been significantly lower than his defensive rating (DRtg). In other words, he gives up more points than he produces. He has a negative impact on his team's performance.

Tyreke Evans (ORtg, DRtg):
2009-10: 107, 110
2010-11: 99, 109
2011-12: 103, 111
2012-13: 106, 110
Career: 103, 110

By comparison, Wesley Matthews has a higher offensive rating than defensive rating every single year of his career. In other words, Matthews produces more points than he allows. He has a positive impact on his team's performance.

Wesley Matthews (ORtg, DRtg):
2009-10: 113, 108
2010-11: 114, 109
2011-12: 110, 108
2012-13: 112, 109
Career: 112, 108

So, over the course of their careers, Evans gives up 7 more points per 48 minutes than he produces and Matthews produces 4 more points per 48 than he gives up. That's a 11 point/48 difference in Wesley's favor.

As bad as the Kings have been during Evans' four years in the league, they are actually worse with him on the court than off the court. Here's his Net On Court/Off Court stats from 82games.com:

Tyreke Evans (Net On Court/Off Court):
2009-10: -5.3
2010-11: +1.7
2011-12: -2.6
2012-13: -2.5

Wesley Matthews (Net On Court/Off Court):
2009-10: -0.9
2010-11: +3.9
2011-12: +6.7
2012-13: +8.0

Other than a slightly negative Net On Court/Off Court his rookie season, Wesley Matthews has had a significant positive net impact on his team's performance. And While Evans continues to wallow in negative territory, Matthews has significantly improved his Net On Court/Off Court contributions every year he's been in the league.

Looking at the advanced stats, it's very clear Matthews has a MUCH more positive impact on his team's performance than Evans.

And, that's just on court impact. Given Evans' selfish, immature attitude and potential off court problems, I don't want him anywhere near this team, not even as a 6th man backing up Matthews.

Plus, Evans has missed a significant number of games in 2 of his 4 seasons due to injuries. Do we really want another injury prone player on our roster? By comparison, Wesley Matthews is an iron man who plays through injuries and recently had his consecutive games played streak end at 250 (second highest in the league at that point). Wes shows up to play, plays hard every night and plays through pain.

Wesley Mattews is a mature, hard working player who continues to work on improving his game every off season. He's a good shooter and works hard on defense. He's a good example, a good leader, with a positive attitude that has a positive impact on his teammates both on and off the court. He's exactly the kind of player I want on my team and in my locker room. I'd rather Tyreke Evans infect someone else's locker room with his negativity, selfishness and sense of entitlement. I'm not sure where I want him to end up next, Minnesota, or the Lakers...

BNM

This season:

FG%
WM: .434
TE: .455

PER
WM: 15.2
TE 17.8

TRB%
WM: 7.9
TE: 15.3

AST%
WM: 12.0
TE: 17.8

BLK%
WM: 0.7
TE: 1.8

% of shots assisted
WM: 62%
TE: 39%

DrawFoul%
WM: 9.6
TE: 11.9

Passing Rating
WM: 2.9
TE: 5.2

Net 48-Minute Production (factors in opponent's PER)
WM: -2.5
TE: +3.4


And how exactly do you know he'd bring negativity, selfishness and sense of entitlement? Do you know him? Do you know the inner workings of the Kings locker room? That team has been a mess and Evans has never come across as a bad guy. Is there a reason you went on a tirade against him?

 

[jlprk]

Evans is playing below his potential/ceiling while Matthews is at his. 3 years from now, with new coaches on a new team for Evans, it won't be close.