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Aldridge is a great post defender vs his own man.


I am not a hater, just pointing that out as to not mislead anyone
 
Yeah but zags, blue9 and fez say he is a horrible defender. They don't look at stats brother
 
Mediocre Man said:
Aldridge is a great post defender vs his own man.


I am not a hater, just pointing that out as to not mislead anyone
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The data: FG% on all shots taken by all players when Aldridge was within 5 feet of the basket.
 
Aldridge is a great one on one defender, but isn't that great at help d. That's the misconception. That's why adding a player like McGee could really help this ball club.
 
I've always felt this. Since this article confirms my bias, it's definitely true.
 
Damn I wish we could've got Hibbert. Why did Indy have to match?
 
TowelBoy said:
The data: FG% on all shots taken by all players when Aldridge was within 5 feet of the basket.
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Interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it. I'm certainly not just going to buy into it because some weird amalgamation of numbers says something that my eyes tell me isn't true. It's pretty much been the consensus here - both lovers and haters - that LMA is not a good help-defender. Are we all just making it up when we see LMA stand glued to the floor rather than rotating to protect the hoop? Funny that some people are so quick to buy into something without first giving it a bit of thought as long as it helps refute someone they take great issue with.

So...ALL shots taken when LMA is within 5' of the hoop? So, all 3-pointers, all mid-range jumpers, all lay-ups - everything. I'm not quite sure how a missed 3-pointer makes LMA a better post defender...I think it just points to Nic/Wes/whoever being a good perimeter defender OR the shooter just taking a lower-percentage shot. Also, how often is LMA within 5' of the hoop? Given that he leads all PFs (and all but one C) in minutes played, yet only "faced" 221 shots (good for 7th on the list) it appears he's not near the hoop all too often. If he's not near the hoop, how can he be protecting it?

Maybe we have a poorly thought out stat that really doesn't measure anything?
 
YOU CAN'T LOOK AT ANY STATS (I.E BLOCKS PER GAME) OR EVEN HIS GAME TO DETERMINE THAT HE IS INDEED A POOR DEFENDER. WE NEED TO TRADE HIM *STAT*.
 
blue9 said:
And on that list he ranks #37 in "shots faced"...
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Check the following on p. 11 of the pdf:

B) Proximal FG%: The results summarize the FG% of opponents when each defender was within 5 feet.
 
blue9 said:
Interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it. I'm certainly not just going to buy into it because some weird amalgamation of numbers says something that my eyes tell me isn't true. It's pretty much been the consensus here - both lovers and haters - that LMA is not a good help-defender. Are we all just making it up when we see LMA stand glued to the floor rather than rotating to protect the hoop? Funny that some people are so quick to buy into something without first giving it a bit of thought as long as it helps refute someone they take great issue with.

So...ALL shots taken when LMA is within 5' of the hoop? So, all 3-pointers, all mid-range jumpers, all lay-ups - everything. I'm not quite sure how a missed 3-pointer makes LMA a better post defender...I think it just points to Nic/Wes/whoever being a good perimeter defender OR the shooter just taking a lower-percentage shot. Also, how often is LMA within 5' of the hoop? Given that he leads all PFs (and all but one C) in minutes played, yet only "faced" 221 shots (good for 7th on the list) it appears he's not near the hoop all too often. If he's not near the hoop, how can he be protecting it?

Maybe we have a poorly thought out stat that really doesn't measure anything?
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The data is broken down by close FGA, middle FGA, and 3PTA. But it is sorted by close FGA.
 
I'm not a Hater and I don't even play one on TV. However, I think the haters would look at the first column (of page 7) and confirm what they already think, which is something like this:

Hater said:
In the rare occasions LMA is within 5 ft of the basket, the team's defense improves significantly.
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For myself I would simply say that there are a lot easier ways to score on Portland than going into the post against LMA.

Hobbesarable said:
The full list is on page 7 of the following pdf link:

http://www.sloansportsconference.co...of Interior Defense Analytics for the NBA.pdf
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anyone that watches games can tell he frustrates opponents on the block

but...hes not as good as lebron! so he sucks!!1!
 
blue9 said:
Interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it. I'm certainly not just going to buy into it because some weird amalgamation of numbers says something that my eyes tell me isn't true. It's pretty much been the consensus here - both lovers and haters - that LMA is not a good help-defender. Are we all just making it up when we see LMA stand glued to the floor rather than rotating to protect the hoop? Funny that some people are so quick to buy into something without first giving it a bit of thought as long as it helps refute someone they take great issue with.

So...ALL shots taken when LMA is within 5' of the hoop? So, all 3-pointers, all mid-range jumpers, all lay-ups - everything. I'm not quite sure how a missed 3-pointer makes LMA a better post defender...I think it just points to Nic/Wes/whoever being a good perimeter defender OR the shooter just taking a lower-percentage shot. Also, how often is LMA within 5' of the hoop? Given that he leads all PFs (and all but one C) in minutes played, yet only "faced" 221 shots (good for 7th on the list) it appears he's not near the hoop all too often. If he's not near the hoop, how can he be protecting it?

Maybe we have a poorly thought out stat that really doesn't measure anything?
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the wild hypotheticals to try and fit your narrative are coming off as ridiculously desperate

its talking about post defense

re-read it if you have to
 
drexlersdad said:
the wild hypotheticals to try and fit your narrative are coming off as ridiculously desperate

its talking about post defense

re-read it if you have to
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Hypotheticals? Someone said it was all shots taken by anyone when LMA is withing 5' of the hoop. Apparently that wasn't accurate...which is good, because if that was the case it would be a piss-poor stat for the reasons I pointed out.
The only other thing I mentioned was taken directly from the numbers - LMA just isn't near the hoop all that often. How can you be a good post-defender when you're not there to defend it?
Yeah, I'm ridiculously desperate. And I'm a delusional straw man, too. Pfff...
 
Also, the study doesn't necessarily say he is a bad help defender but good post defender. It measures shots, essentially, put up on him. So if he comes over to help on a player driving, that would be a shot put up on him, and it'd be on help defense.
 
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