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In other news Ukraine will be receiving rockets from USA with double the range of what they have now but still only about 90 miles. They need about 250 mile range to isolate Crimea.
In the past few days many higherups in governement have been fired and/or arrested for corruption.
 
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Hoopguru said:
Do you think his plan is to draw Nato into ww3?
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No.

IMO his plan is to take over Ukraine, even for a week, declare victory, and get the hell out of there.

If NATO gets involved he will never take over Ukraine.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No.

IMO his plan is to take over Ukraine, even for a week, declare victory, and get the hell out of there.

If NATO gets involved he will never take over Ukraine.
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You'd think you could pay off the Russian Mafia to get him dead or alive.
He knows he wanted as away criminal and he would never be able to save face or reverse course, what would prevent him from going after Germany if he knows he's dead man anyway.
I can't see him allowing Germany to send tanks and such?
The last time Germany fucked with Russia it didn't turn out well, for Germany.
 
Hoopguru said:
You'd think you could pay off the Russian Mafia to get him dead or alive.
He knows he wanted as away criminal and he would never be able to save face or reverse course, what would prevent him from going after Germany if he knows he's dead man anyway.
I can't see him allowing Germany to send tanks and such?
The last time Germany fucked with Russia it didn't turn out well, for Germany.
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Germany didn't have the rest of the world on their side that time...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Germany didn't have the rest of the world on their side that time...
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I realize that. He used propaganda in today’s speech that again German tanks with crosses on them on Russian ground.
Once again he threatened nukes as a way to deal with them. Guy is a lunatic and thinks he’s Stalin.
 
Hoopguru said:
I realize that. He used propaganda in today’s speech that again German tanks with crosses on them on Russian ground.
Once again he threatened nukes as a way to deal with them. Guy is a lunatic and thinks he’s Stalin.
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I don't think he feels like he has a choice. He thinks he has to do this or Russia will die.

And he's probably right. This is about the only thing that could save Russia (but they couldn't stop at Ukraine. They'd need to take virtually all of their neighbors to get their population up to the 300 million range).

We can't let that happen, but Russia is so screwed under Putin that he has no choice but to try.
 
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US says F-16 deal contingent on Turkey’s support for NATO expansion
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The US Congress cannot support the $20 billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Turkey until Ankara ratifies the NATO memberships of Sweden and Finland, a bipartisan group of senators said on Thursday.
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I can't imagine why Putin would let his "plan" (if there really is one) out of the bag, before actually implementing it.
 
Day 345. Von der Leyen believes Ukraine will become an EU member. The European Parliament adopted a resolution regarding Ukraine’s EU accession negotiations. A Ukrainian intelligence official stated that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian military to capture Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts by March 2023.
 
"I think what’s going to be the key — because we do not assess that (Russian President Vladimir Putin) is serious about negotiations — the key is going to be on the battlefield in the next six months, it seems to us,” Burns said, addressing an audience at Georgetown University.
That includes “puncturing Putin’s hubris, making clear that he’s not only not going to be able to advance further in Ukraine, but as every month goes by, he runs a greater and greater risk of losing the territory he’s illegally seized so far.”
But the CIA director said he told one of his Russian counterparts, Sergey Naryshkin, in November that “that Russian calculation is as deeply flawed as the original decision to go to war last February 24 was.”
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-at...-outcome-of-russoukrainian-war-cia-chief.html
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
"I think what’s going to be the key — because we do not assess that (Russian President Vladimir Putin) is serious about negotiations — the key is going to be on the battlefield in the next six months, it seems to us,” Burns said, addressing an audience at Georgetown University.
That includes “puncturing Putin’s hubris, making clear that he’s not only not going to be able to advance further in Ukraine, but as every month goes by, he runs a greater and greater risk of losing the territory he’s illegally seized so far.”
But the CIA director said he told one of his Russian counterparts, Sergey Naryshkin, in November that “that Russian calculation is as deeply flawed as the original decision to go to war last February 24 was.”
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-at...-outcome-of-russoukrainian-war-cia-chief.html
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If USA believes this, shouldn't they give Ukraine longer range rockets right now, as long as they only use within their own pre 2014 borders?
 
Putin had the gall to honor soldiers who fought the battle of Stalingrad. They were fighting an invading army, Vlad!
 
I hope some of you have a free article left on WAPO. Mostly photos. Most chilling for me is that many participants are dressed in the uniforms of the dreaded NKVD, secret police who arrested tens of thousands of soviet citizens and usually executed them after interrogations. I have visited the mass gravesites in Vinnitsa
Also quite chilling that at the end Putin seems to be implying he might escalate to something like chemical, biological or nuclear war.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...tify-his-ukraine-war/?itid=hp_world_p011_f003
 
crandc said:
Putin had the gall to honor soldiers who fought the battle of Stalingrad. They were fighting an invading army, Vlad!
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Thats exactly the propaganda point he was trying to get across to the Russian people. He's a lunatic that needs to be taken out...
 
Hoopguru said:
Thats exactly the propaganda point he was trying to get across to the Russian people. He's a lunatic that needs to be taken out...
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Very true, and the fact that there are evidently enough Russians who buy into Putin's BS to keep his ill-advised agenda going...sad when you think about it.

But to be fair, propaganda is largely the reason the US somehow elected Trump...that, and the fact that Trump was the only one on the ballot not named Hillary Clinton.



And sadly, that speaks volumes about our own country's collective state of mind...I mean, were Trump and Clinton really the best two choices this country had to offer us?...really?
 
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Day 346. Ukraine will fight to hold ‘fortress’ Bakhmut as long as it can – Zelenskyy. Russia sends Special Rapid Response Unit to Donetsk Oblast to quell riots among its soldiers. A new US aid package for Ukraine includes air defense, MRAP vehicles, and ammunition for HIMARS.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Very true, and the fact that there are evidently enough Russians who buy into Putin's BS to keep his ill-advised agenda going...sad when you think about it.

But to be fair, propaganda is largely the reason the US somehow elected Trump...that, and the fact that Trump was the only one on the ballot not named Hillary Clinton.



And sadly, that speaks volumes about the state of our own country's collective state of mind... were Trump and Clinton really the best two choices this country had to offer us?...really?
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It takes an incredible amount of corruption to rise to that level unless you are lucky enough to catch lightning in a bottle and blow up before the parties can tear you down (Obama).

Otherwise Bernie Sanders would have won the last two presidential elections.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Very true, and the fact that there are evidently enough Russians who buy into Putin's BS to keep his ill-advised agenda going...sad when you think about it.

But to be fair, propaganda is largely the reason the US somehow elected Trump...that, and the fact that Trump was the only one on the ballot not named Hillary Clinton.



And sadly, that speaks volumes about the state of our own country's collective state of mind... were Trump and Clinton really the best two choices this country had to offer us?...really?
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I expect that Trump will win the primary as the multitudes of others running will cancel each other out and Trump will win with mid 30% of the vote. DeSantis will lose votes to all the others and trump will keep his loyal followers.
The only way Joe loses to trump is if he cannot communicate and his health has eroded.
 
Hoopguru said:
I expect that Trump will win the primary as the multitudes of others running will cancel each other out and Trump will win with mid 30% of the vote. DeSantis will lose votes to all the others and trump will keep his loyal followers.
The only way Joe loses to trump is if he cannot communicate and his health has eroded.
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I'm actually a bit surprised that considering his age, Biden is still as sharp as he seems to be...but the big question is what his mental/physical state might be 6 years from now.

If Joe decides not to run again I don't see Kamala as his successor...I'm kinda hoping for someone who is somewhere between the Left and the Right, ...you know, someone with common sense.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
I'm actually a bit surprised that considering his age, Biden still seems as sharp as he seems to be...but the big question is what his mental might be 6 years from now.

If Joe decides not to run again I don't see Kamala as his successor...I'm kinda hoping for someone who is somewhere between the Left and the Right, ...you know, someone with common sense.
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Just give me someone who supports data driven policy.
 
yankeesince59 said:
I'm actually a bit surprised that considering his age, Biden still seems as sharp as he seems to be...but the big question is what his mental might be 6 years from now.

If Joe decides not to run again I don't see Kamala as his successor...I'm kinda hoping for someone who is somewhere between the Left and the Right, ...you know, someone with common sense.
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That would describe Vice president Harris quite well.
 
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