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Hoopguru said:
I expect that Trump will win the primary as the multitudes of others running will cancel each other out and Trump will win with mid 30% of the vote. DeSantis will lose votes to all the others and trump will keep his loyal followers.
The only way Joe loses to trump is if he cannot communicate and his health has eroded.
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Just want to say that I think I and all supporters of Ukraine are so happy and relieved that Trump did not win in 2020. Difficult to imagine the situation without all the USA military aid.
 
Day 347. Russia has continued to make small advances in its attempt to encircle Bakhmut. NATO Parliamentary Assembly supports the establishment of a tribunal to investigate Russian war crimes. G7 agree to a price cap for refined Russian oil.
 
Trump said Biden is to blame for invasion of Ukraine. He made Putin do it. Somehow.
 
Day 348. Fierce battles are ongoing in the Donetsk region – Zelenskyy. Odesa battles to restore power after fire wipes out the substation. Russia and Iran plan to build a factory in Russia to manufacture up to 6,000 drones for combat in Ukraine.
 
Day 351. “We have freedom. Give us wings to defend it.” – Zelenskyy in London. Expected Russian offensive to target Donbas, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia regions – Ukraine security chief Danilov. Russian forces have regained the initiative in Ukraine and have begun their next major offensive in Luhansk Oblast.
I personally think the offensive began a few weeks ago. russia losing soldiers at a very high rate during this time period, about 900 a day.
 
Day 352. Russian forces continued offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast, made tactical gains near Bakhmut and sustained heavy losses near Vuhledar. UK to train Ukrainian pilots, provide Ukraine with longer-range capabilities. Zelenskyy addresses European Parliament.
Photo is damaged russian armored vehicles near Vuhledar
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Day 353. Russia launches another massive missile attack on Ukraine. Of 106 missiles, including 32 S-300 anti-aircraft guided missiles, 74 air- and sea-launched cruise missiles, 61 destroyed by Ukrainian air defense. Russian missile overflights of NATO territory are highly unlikely to prompt an escalation. Russian forces continued offensive operations northwest of Svatove and around Kreminna, in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka-Donetsk and conducted a limited ground attack in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
 
Ukrainian model showed up for New York fashion week stylishly clad in bright yellow sweater dress emblazoned in blue with Fuck You Putin.
 
I understand that if Russian oil doesn't flow, with the permafrost it causes cracks because of pressure build's up. If they end up setting on oil it could hurt their cause big time.
 
Hoopguru said:
I understand that if Russian oil doesn't flow, with the permafrost it causes cracks because of pressure build's up. If they end up setting on oil it could hurt their cause big time.
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If the pressure is not relieved the oil will spurt out on its own, usually at night. This is perfectly normal and nothing to be embarrassed about.

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
I understand that if Russian oil doesn't flow, with the permafrost it causes cracks because of pressure build's up. If they end up setting on oil it could hurt their cause big time.
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This takes decades to recover from. They just came online a couple years ago from when the same thing happened after the fall of the Soviet Union. But all of the people who had that expertise have left Russia. Probably for good.
 
Day 355. Leaked docs suggest Putin is mobilizing army of spies in UK. Swiss bank Credit Suisse froze Russian assets worth $19 billion. Germany to start the training of Ukrainian tank crews on the Leopard 2 tanks next week.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Day 355. Leaked docs suggest Putin is mobilizing army of spies in UK. Swiss bank Credit Suisse froze Russian assets worth $19 billion. Germany to start the training of Ukrainian tank crews on the Leopard 2 tanks next week.
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Interested to see how well Ukraine will utilize the tanks from Germany, US, et al. Hopefully, they will soon be able to use them to make Putin even more uncomfortable than he already is.
 
barfo said:
If the pressure is not relieved the oil will spurt out on its own, usually at night. This is perfectly normal and nothing to be embarrassed about.

barfo
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The cost of repairing those lines is tremendous. And I get it!
 
yankeesince59 said:
Interested to see how well Ukraine will utilize the tanks from Germany, US, et al. Hopefully, they will soon be able to use them to make Putin even more uncomfortable than he already is.
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They began training on the Leopards in Germany and Poland today.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This takes decades to recover from. They just came online a couple years ago from when the same thing happened after the fall of the Soviet Union. But all of the people who had that expertise have left Russia. Probably for good.
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Seems that would rile some of the big shot Russians that have invested with Putin. He stars hurting them and their finances that could be his demise. hope so
 
Hoopguru said:
Seems that would rile some of the big shot Russians that have invested with Putin. He stars hurting them and their finances that could be his demise. hope so
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They are all rich because of Putin, and incredibly loyal.

They already have enough money to live many lifetimes and Putin gives them all the power anybody could want.

As I understand it there is nobody left in power to overthrow Putin. Nobody that anybody else would support. It would almost have to be a mass uprising of the population. And we're a LONG way from the threat that.
 
Phatguysrule said:
They are all rich because of Putin, and incredibly loyal.

They already have enough money to live many lifetimes and Putin gives them all the power anybody could want.

As I understand it there is nobody left in power to overthrow Putin. Nobody that anybody else would support. It would almost have to be a mass uprising of the population. And we're a LONG way from the threat that.
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Thats my point, and they stand a lot to lose financially if Putin doesn't keep the Golden Goose alive and well.
 
Hoopguru said:
Thats my point, and they stand a lot to lose financially if Putin doesn't keep the Golden Goose alive and well.
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The golden goose will in all probability not remain alive and well. The skilled labor who kept that all running and in good repair were western workers.

They've all left and Russia is too old and undereducated to figure it out.

Maybe Iran would be willing to help them? I don't know...
 
Day 356. 130 pieces of Russian armored vehicles destroyed in just one week near Vuhledar. World Bank, WHO believe the damage to Ukraine’s healthcare system stands at $26B. Russia is draining a massive Ukrainian reservoir, endangering a nuclear plant.
 
The Conflict Observatory by the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab published a new report today, "Russia’s Systematic Program for the Re-education and Adoption of Ukraine’s Children"

Key Findings
  1. More than 6,000 children in Russia’s custody: Yale HRL has collected information about at least 6,000 children from Ukraine ages four months to 17 years who have been held at camps and other facilities since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Arrivals to these facilities began in February 2022; the most recent transfers occurred in January 2023. The total number of children is not known and is likely significantly higher than 6,000.
  2. At least 43 facilities in network: The network spans at least 43 facilities identified by Yale HRL, 41 of which are pre-existing summer camps in Russia-occupied Crimea and Russia. Among the camps, 12 are clustered around the Black Sea, 7 are in occupied Crimea, and 10 are clustered around the cities of Moscow, Kazan, and Yekaterinburg. Eleven of the camps are located over 500 miles from Ukraine’s border with Russia, including two camps in Siberia and one in Russia’s Far East. The exact number of facilities is likely significantly higher than the 43 identified in this report. Yale HRL identified two facilities associated with the deportation of orphans: a psychiatric hospital, and a family center.
  3. Network of children’s facilities stretches from Russia-occupied Crimea to Russia’s eastern coast: The furthest camp this investigation identifies is in Magadan oblast in Russia’s Far East near the Pacific Ocean, approximately 3,900 miles from Ukraine’s border with the Russian Federation. The camp in Magadan is roughly three times closer to the United States than it is to the border of Ukraine.
  4. Primary purpose of the camps appears to be political re-education: At least 32 (78%) of the camps identified by Yale HRL appear engaged in systematic re-education efforts that expose children from Ukraine to Russia-centric academic, cultural, patriotic, and/or military education. Multiple camps endorsed by the Russian Federation are advertised as “integration programs”, with the apparent goal of integrating children from Ukraine into the Russian government’s vision of national culture, history, and society.
  5. Children from two of the camps have been placed with foster families in Russia: Yale HRL identified at least two camps that hosted children alleged to be orphans who were later placed with foster families in Russia. Twenty children from these camps were reported to have been placed with families in Moscow oblast and enrolled in local schools there.
  6. Consent is collected under duress and routinely violated: Consent gathered from parents for their child to attend a camp included signing over power of attorney in some cases, including to an unnamed agent. Other parents allege that the specific elements of the consent they gave were violated, such as the term of stay and procedures for reuniting with their children. Still other parents allegedly refused to allow their children to go to camps, but were ignored by camp organizers who enrolled the children in camps regardless. In many cases, the ability of parents to provide meaningful consent may be considered doubtful, as the conditions of war and implicit threat from occupying forces represent conditions of duress.
  7. Children’s returns from at least four camps have been suspended: In approximately 10% of camps identified by Yale HRL, children’s return to Ukraine was allegedly suspended. At two camps, Artek and Medvezhonok, children’s returns were suspended indefinitely, according to parents. Medvezhonok is one of the largest camps identified, at one point hosting at least 300 children from Ukraine. Officials there originally told the children’s parents they would return at the end of summer, but later rescinded the date of return. Hundreds of children from Ukraine from at least two other camps, Luchistyi and Orlyonok, have been or are being held past their scheduled date of return; Yale HRL has been unable to identify how many of these children have been reunited with their parents. Parents also described being unable to get information about their child’s status or whereabouts after their return has been suspended. It is unknown how many of Ukraine’s children Russia currently holds and how many have been released to their families.
  8. All levels of Russia’s government are involved: This operation is centrally coordinated by Russia’s federal government and involves every level of government. Yale HRL has identified several dozen federal, regional, and local figures directly engaged in operating and politically justifying the program. Activities of officials allegedly implicated in the operation include logistical coordination (i.e., transporting children), raising funds, collecting supplies, direct camp management, and promoting the program within Russia and occupied areas of Ukraine. At least 12 of these individuals are not on U.S. and/or international sanction lists at the time of this report.
 
noknobs said:
The Conflict Observatory by the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab published a new report today, "Russia’s Systematic Program for the Re-education and Adoption of Ukraine’s Children"

Key Findings



    • More than 6,000 children in Russia’s custody: Yale HRL has collected information about at least 6,000 children from Ukraine ages four months to 17 years who have been held at camps and other facilities since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Arrivals to these facilities began in February 2022; the most recent transfers occurred in January 2023. The total number of children is not known and is likely significantly higher than 6,000.
    • At least 43 facilities in network: The network spans at least 43 facilities identified by Yale HRL, 41 of which are pre-existing summer camps in Russia-occupied Crimea and Russia. Among the camps, 12 are clustered around the Black Sea, 7 are in occupied Crimea, and 10 are clustered around the cities of Moscow, Kazan, and Yekaterinburg. Eleven of the camps are located over 500 miles from Ukraine’s border with Russia, including two camps in Siberia and one in Russia’s Far East. The exact number of facilities is likely significantly higher than the 43 identified in this report. Yale HRL identified two facilities associated with the deportation of orphans: a psychiatric hospital, and a family center.
    • Network of children’s facilities stretches from Russia-occupied Crimea to Russia’s eastern coast: The furthest camp this investigation identifies is in Magadan oblast in Russia’s Far East near the Pacific Ocean, approximately 3,900 miles from Ukraine’s border with the Russian Federation. The camp in Magadan is roughly three times closer to the United States than it is to the border of Ukraine.
    • Primary purpose of the camps appears to be political re-education: At least 32 (78%) of the camps identified by Yale HRL appear engaged in systematic re-education efforts that expose children from Ukraine to Russia-centric academic, cultural, patriotic, and/or military education. Multiple camps endorsed by the Russian Federation are advertised as “integration programs”, with the apparent goal of integrating children from Ukraine into the Russian government’s vision of national culture, history, and society.
    • Children from two of the camps have been placed with foster families in Russia: Yale HRL identified at least two camps that hosted children alleged to be orphans who were later placed with foster families in Russia. Twenty children from these camps were reported to have been placed with families in Moscow oblast and enrolled in local schools there.
    • Consent is collected under duress and routinely violated: Consent gathered from parents for their child to attend a camp included signing over power of attorney in some cases, including to an unnamed agent. Other parents allege that the specific elements of the consent they gave were violated, such as the term of stay and procedures for reuniting with their children. Still other parents allegedly refused to allow their children to go to camps, but were ignored by camp organizers who enrolled the children in camps regardless. In many cases, the ability of parents to provide meaningful consent may be considered doubtful, as the conditions of war and implicit threat from occupying forces represent conditions of duress.
    • Children’s returns from at least four camps have been suspended: In approximately 10% of camps identified by Yale HRL, children’s return to Ukraine was allegedly suspended. At two camps, Artek and Medvezhonok, children’s returns were suspended indefinitely, according to parents. Medvezhonok is one of the largest camps identified, at one point hosting at least 300 children from Ukraine. Officials there originally told the children’s parents they would return at the end of summer, but later rescinded the date of return. Hundreds of children from Ukraine from at least two other camps, Luchistyi and Orlyonok, have been or are being held past their scheduled date of return; Yale HRL has been unable to identify how many of these children have been reunited with their parents. Parents also described being unable to get information about their child’s status or whereabouts after their return has been suspended. It is unknown how many of Ukraine’s children Russia currently holds and how many have been released to their families.
    • All levels of Russia’s government are involved: This operation is centrally coordinated by Russia’s federal government and involves every level of government. Yale HRL has identified several dozen federal, regional, and local figures directly engaged in operating and politically justifying the program. Activities of officials allegedly implicated in the operation include logistical coordination (i.e., transporting children), raising funds, collecting supplies, direct camp management, and promoting the program within Russia and occupied areas of Ukraine. At least 12 of these individuals are not on U.S. and/or international sanction lists at the time of this report.
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Wow, that's eerily familiar.
 
noknobs said:
The Conflict Observatory by the Yale Humanitarian Research Lab published a new report today, "Russia’s Systematic Program for the Re-education and Adoption of Ukraine’s Children"

Key Findings



    • More than 6,000 children in Russia’s custody: Yale HRL has collected information about at least 6,000 children from Ukraine ages four months to 17 years who have been held at camps and other facilities since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Arrivals to these facilities began in February 2022; the most recent transfers occurred in January 2023. The total number of children is not known and is likely significantly higher than 6,000.
    • At least 43 facilities in network: The network spans at least 43 facilities identified by Yale HRL, 41 of which are pre-existing summer camps in Russia-occupied Crimea and Russia. Among the camps, 12 are clustered around the Black Sea, 7 are in occupied Crimea, and 10 are clustered around the cities of Moscow, Kazan, and Yekaterinburg. Eleven of the camps are located over 500 miles from Ukraine’s border with Russia, including two camps in Siberia and one in Russia’s Far East. The exact number of facilities is likely significantly higher than the 43 identified in this report. Yale HRL identified two facilities associated with the deportation of orphans: a psychiatric hospital, and a family center.
    • Network of children’s facilities stretches from Russia-occupied Crimea to Russia’s eastern coast: The furthest camp this investigation identifies is in Magadan oblast in Russia’s Far East near the Pacific Ocean, approximately 3,900 miles from Ukraine’s border with the Russian Federation. The camp in Magadan is roughly three times closer to the United States than it is to the border of Ukraine.
    • Primary purpose of the camps appears to be political re-education: At least 32 (78%) of the camps identified by Yale HRL appear engaged in systematic re-education efforts that expose children from Ukraine to Russia-centric academic, cultural, patriotic, and/or military education. Multiple camps endorsed by the Russian Federation are advertised as “integration programs”, with the apparent goal of integrating children from Ukraine into the Russian government’s vision of national culture, history, and society.
    • Children from two of the camps have been placed with foster families in Russia: Yale HRL identified at least two camps that hosted children alleged to be orphans who were later placed with foster families in Russia. Twenty children from these camps were reported to have been placed with families in Moscow oblast and enrolled in local schools there.
    • Consent is collected under duress and routinely violated: Consent gathered from parents for their child to attend a camp included signing over power of attorney in some cases, including to an unnamed agent. Other parents allege that the specific elements of the consent they gave were violated, such as the term of stay and procedures for reuniting with their children. Still other parents allegedly refused to allow their children to go to camps, but were ignored by camp organizers who enrolled the children in camps regardless. In many cases, the ability of parents to provide meaningful consent may be considered doubtful, as the conditions of war and implicit threat from occupying forces represent conditions of duress.
    • Children’s returns from at least four camps have been suspended: In approximately 10% of camps identified by Yale HRL, children’s return to Ukraine was allegedly suspended. At two camps, Artek and Medvezhonok, children’s returns were suspended indefinitely, according to parents. Medvezhonok is one of the largest camps identified, at one point hosting at least 300 children from Ukraine. Officials there originally told the children’s parents they would return at the end of summer, but later rescinded the date of return. Hundreds of children from Ukraine from at least two other camps, Luchistyi and Orlyonok, have been or are being held past their scheduled date of return; Yale HRL has been unable to identify how many of these children have been reunited with their parents. Parents also described being unable to get information about their child’s status or whereabouts after their return has been suspended. It is unknown how many of Ukraine’s children Russia currently holds and how many have been released to their families.
    • All levels of Russia’s government are involved: This operation is centrally coordinated by Russia’s federal government and involves every level of government. Yale HRL has identified several dozen federal, regional, and local figures directly engaged in operating and politically justifying the program. Activities of officials allegedly implicated in the operation include logistical coordination (i.e., transporting children), raising funds, collecting supplies, direct camp management, and promoting the program within Russia and occupied areas of Ukraine. At least 12 of these individuals are not on U.S. and/or international sanction lists at the time of this report.
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Of all their war crimes; in some ways this might be most hurtful to the parents and children vitimized.
 
I'm a little concerned that USA may be pushing Ukraine to stage an offensive in the Spring. which may turn out to be the right time, but maybe it should wait til Summer. Right now, defense is working out quite well and it saves Ukrainian lives, Offense is always more costly because the defenders are dug in and also have mined the territory the invaders must cross.
Day 357. Ukraine’s Defense Minister “satisfied” with Ramstein meeting. US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin signaled that the Ukraine Defense Contact Group’s 54 member states will continue to support Ukraine in the long run. Russian forces continued offensive actions in Donbas.
 
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