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Is it possible there still are Nukes in Ukraine? Saved for a rainy day?
 
Hoopguru said:
My daughter mentioned she read Bill Clinton went on record stating he felt bad he asked Ukraine to disarm nukes and that Russian wouldn't have invaded?
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yes that happened. I think allowing Ukraine to join NATO would have been more of a deterrent. I don't think Ukraine would have started a nuclear war even if invaded.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think they ever had the capability to launch them anyway.

I guess they could turn them into dirty bombs....
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I'm pretty sure they had the big rockets to launch them; I think actually Ukraine was big producer of those rockets at one time.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm pretty sure they had the big rockets to launch them; I think actually Ukraine was big producer of those rockets at one time.
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You could very well be right. I heard the people in charge who had the codes and ability to actually make them work left with the fall of the USSR.

But that could all be propaganda as well.

Either way, just having them would have prevented the attack, I'm sure.
 
I think Ukrainians must feel confused and letdown right now. They were criticized earlier in the war for not sharing enough military info with USA. So apparently they shared more and now they find out USA is not a reliable partner as far as keeping info secret. I hope that it doesn't turn out to be some politically motivated individual who leaked all this information.

Also, they have been told by their western "allies" that they need to show some progress soon in the war if they want to see continued military support. However now they hear from the same people that they don't think Ukraine has enough men and equipment to have a successful offensive. The reason they wouldn't have enough is becasue the West has been so slow to provide more tanks and armored vehicles. USA Abrams tanks will not be in Ukraine until late Fall. The Leopard tanks, many of which are the older model 1's have been slow in arriving. There is not enough ammo for artillery, because USA and NATO have let their supplies dwindle over the years and because countries like Switzerland, S Korea and Israel are witholding supplies, somehow claiming they need to be neutral against the monstrous russians.

A video released yesterday in russia shows russian soldier cutting the head off a Ukrainian POW while the man is still alive. Not one word from russia that this is unacceptable. How confusing it must be for Ukrainians that the russian nation, whose armies target civilian buildings with their bombs and artillery, whose soldiers loot, rape, torture and murder as a matter of policy, whose leader orders assassinations worldwide, this nation presides over the security council of the United Nations.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I think Ukrainians must feel confused and letdown right now. They were criticized earlier in the war for not sharing enough military info with USA. So apparently they shared more and now they find out USA is not a reliable partner as far as keeping info secret. I hope that it doesn't turn out to be some politically motivated individual who leaked all this information.

Also, they have been told by their western "allies" that they need to show some progress soon in the war if they want to see continued military support. However now they hear from the same people that they don't think Ukraine has enough men and equipment to have a successful offensive. The reason they wouldn't have enough is becasue the West has been so slow to provide more tanks and armored vehicles. USA Abrams tanks will not be in Ukraine until late Fall. The Leopard tanks, many of which are the older model 1's have been slow in arriving. There is not enough ammo for artillery, because USA and NATO have let their supplies dwindle over the years and because countries like Switzerland, S Korea and Israel are witholding supplies, somehow claiming they need to be neutral against the monstrous russians.

A video released yesterday in russia shows russian soldier cutting the head off a Ukrainian POW while the man is still alive. Not one word from russia that this is unacceptable. How confusing it must be for Ukrainians that the russian nation, whose armies target civilian buildings with their bombs and artillery, whose soldiers loot, rape, torture and murder as a matter of policy, whose leader orders assassinations worldwide, this nation presides over the security council of the United Nations.
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I read the leak came from a gamers discord, trying to prove something to his other gamer friends. Doesn't sound politically motivated, just sounds dumb.
 
Shaboid said:
I read the leak came from a gamers discord, trying to prove something to his other gamer friends. Doesn't sound politically motivated, just sounds dumb.
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Somebody first had to remove paper documents from secure facilities and then photograph them and get them to this Discord guy. These were not hacked into. It was clear it was photographs of paper documents that had been folded, perhaps to facilitate removing from the facility.
 
Sounds like the military was very careless with this very sensitive material, sounds as if somebody of low rank or low status civilian had access to this material. Almost unbelievable!
"The man behind a massive leak of U.S. government secrets that has exposed spying on allies, revealed the grim prospects for Ukraine’s war with Russia and ignited diplomatic fires for the White House is a young, charismatic gun enthusiast who shared highly classified documents with a group of far-flung acquaintances searching for companionship amid the isolation of the pandemic."
In a video seen by The Post, the man who the member said is OG stands at a shooting range, wearing safety glasses and ear coverings and holding a large rifle. He yells a series of racial and antisemitic slurs into the camera, then fires several rounds at a target.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...Q.Z1JC1YDd7pyUK9L3e1fGs3TvBjtPeo8VLudKFcoP_7E
 
Looks as if world came very close to a serious international provocation. It really shows the sloppiness of russian military; that a fighter pilot thinks he can fire on a British aircraft solely on the OK of a radar operator.
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So Massachusetts National Guard has access to this kind of sensitive material? WTH?
Leader of Discord group (Thug Shaker Central) where secret U.S. documents were leaked is a 21-year-old member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guardsman, Jack Teixeira.
This is ridiculous. I have also read that names of CIA agents in Ukraine were released.
Seems as if we should have a thread just for this seeing as this seems to be one of the biggest fuckups in intelligence history.
 
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Wow. Marjorie taylor Greene's take on this:
“Jake Teixeira is white, male, christian, and antiwar. That makes him an enemy to the Biden regime,” Greene wrote in a Twitter post. “Ask yourself who is the real enemy? A young low level national guardsmen? Or the administration that is waging war in Ukraine, a non-NATO nation, against nuclear Russia without war powers?”
Rep. Swallwell response: “I’m sorry, Marge, being white, male, and Christian is not license to betray your country and put the lives of thousands at risk,” he added. “But this wouldn’t be the first time she sided with traitors.”
https://news.yahoo.com/swalwell-greene-over-leak-remark-234738200.html
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Wow. Marjorie taylor Greene's take on this:
“Jake Teixeira is white, male, christian, and antiwar. That makes him an enemy to the Biden regime,” Greene wrote in a Twitter post. “Ask yourself who is the real enemy? A young low level national guardsmen? Or the administration that is waging war in Ukraine, a non-NATO nation, against nuclear Russia without war powers?”
Rep. Swallwell response: “I’m sorry, Marge, being white, male, and Christian is not license to betray your country and put the lives of thousands at risk,” he added. “But this wouldn’t be the first time she sided with traitors.”
https://news.yahoo.com/swalwell-greene-over-leak-remark-234738200.html
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Ouch !
 
Had the alleged leaker been anything other white male Christian and presumably straight and cis, Marge would be saying it proves the _______ are a threat to national security and blame Biden for allowing _______ to serve.
 
Day 415. The World Bank has announced a $200 million grant to fund repairs to Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. Germany allows Polish export of MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine. Putin reportedly personally approved the arrest of an American journalist. russian troops have taken about two thirds of Bakhmut; Ukrainians withdrawing to better positions along the railway line.
Leaked report reveals russia lost 80-90 % of some special forces (spetznatz) units as they were forced to act as infantry in early parts of the war..
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Day 415. The World Bank has announced a $200 million grant to fund repairs to Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. Germany allows Polish export of MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine. Putin reportedly personally approved the arrest of an American journalist. russian troops have taken about two thirds of Bakhmut; Ukrainians withdrawing to better positions along the railway line.
Leaked report reveals russia lost 80-90 % of some special forces (spetznatz) units as they were forced to act as infantry in early parts of the war..
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Wish it had been 100%.
 
"Former Wagner PMC commanders have confessed to committing massive war crimes against Ukrainians at the order of founder and leader Yevgeny Prigozhin during an interview with Russian human rights project Gulagu.net.
The commanders provided detailed accounts of how they brutally killed people, including the execution of over 20 Ukrainian children and teenagers, and the detonation of a pit containing more than 50 wounded captives."
https://english.nv.ua/nation/former...imes-including-killing-children-50318398.html
 
Patriot anti aircraft (missiles) systems from USA, Germany and Netherlands have all arrived in Ukraine. Most tanks that have been promised have arrived except a few Leopards from Spain and of course Abrams from USA. Everyone waits for the great counteroffensive. Some reports say russians are looting heavily and mining buildings in areas they think Ukraine may retake soon.
 
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