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DUB said:
Should Ukraine make a big push right now whilst the Russian forces are destabilised?
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Take Moscow?

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Great interview with Ukraine's top general. Basically saying Why do people say our offensive going too slow when they haven't given us the F-16's, the long range rockets and enough tanks, fighting vehicles and ammo to do the job well?
“This is not a show,” Zaluzhny said Wednesday in his office at Ukraine’s General Staff headquarters. “It's not a show the whole world is watching and betting on or anything. Every day, every meter is given by blood.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/30/valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-general-interview/
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
Great interview with Ukraine's top general. Basically saying Why do people say our offensive going too slow when they haven't given us the F-16's, the long range rockets and enough tanks, fighting vehicles and ammo to do the job well?
“This is not a show,” Zaluzhny said Wednesday in his office at Ukraine’s General Staff headquarters. “It's not a show the whole world is watching and betting on or anything. Every day, every meter is given by blood.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/30/valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-general-interview/
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As to the F-16s, the pilots are not yet prepared to fly them because it takes months of training to do so...Ukrainian pilots are used to mainly flying Russian made jets instead.

Plus, Ukraine reportedly does not yet even have runways suitable for F-16s.
 
yankeesince59 said:
As to the F-16s, the pilots are not yet prepared to fly them because it takes months of training to do so...Ukrainian pilots are used to mainly flying Russian made jets instead.

Plus, Ukraine reportedly does not yet even have runways suitable for F-16s.
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Ukraine would have been happy to have their pilots start training in March 2022 or even in 2014, if it had been offered.
I have not read anything about Ukraine not having suitable runways. If that was a problem , I have no doubt that Ukraine could build a suitable runway within 30 days. Also, I believe Poland would allow them to use their runways. Although I am a big fan of what Biden has done to support Ukrainian military. really he is the one person most responsible for them not getting jets a long time ago.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Ukraine would have been happy to have their pilots start training in March 2022 or even in 2014, if it had been offered.
I have not read anything about Ukraine not having suitable runways. If that was a problem , I have no doubt that Ukraine could build a suitable runway within 30 days. Also, I believe Poland would allow them to use their runways. Although I am a big fan of what Biden has done to support Ukrainian military. really he is the one person most responsible for them not getting jets a long time ago.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/15/ukraine-pilots-trained-f-16-jets-nato-russia
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Ukraine would have been happy to have their pilots start training in March 2022 or even in 2014, if it had been offered.
I have not read anything about Ukraine not having suitable runways. If that was a problem , I have no doubt that Ukraine could build a suitable runway within 30 days. Also, I believe Poland would allow them to use their runways. Although I am a big fan of what Biden has done to support Ukrainian military. really he is the one person most responsible for them not getting jets a long time ago.
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Agreed, I gotta believe that Biden may have been convinced earlier by our military that if the US supplied jets to Ukraine it could result in a dangerous situation/confrontation between the US and Russia, especially if those jets intentionally or unintentionally enter Russian air space. I have little doubt that Ukraine will eventually get those F-16, but Biden is secretly hoping for Russians troops will somehow be withdrawn before the jets are delivered to Ukraine.

Just my opinion.
 
This is kind of an experiment. Musk has blcoked sharing of twitter videos to people who don't have a twitter account, This a great gopro combat video.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This is kind of an experiment. Musk has blcoked sharing of twitter videos to people who don't have a twitter account, This a great gopro combat video.
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Interesting that it open up here but when I share to Facebook it doesn't.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This is kind of an experiment. Musk has blcoked sharing of twitter videos to people who don't have a twitter account, This a great gopro combat video.
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It's funny how Musk is doing the exact opposite of what he should have done to make Twitter better and more popular...
 
Saw a report that the leader of the Wagner group has gone radio silent once he reached Belarus and most of his media groups went silent this weekend. Wonder if he tripped and fell out a upper story window.
 
twobullz said:
Saw a report that the leader of the Wagner group has gone radio silent once he reached Belarus and most of his media groups went silent this weekend. Wonder if he tripped and fell out a upper story window.
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No, he is apparently walking around St Petersburg without a care in the world. All the money and arms and armored vehicles that were confiscated from him have been returned to him.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
No, he is apparently walking around St Petersburg without a care in the world. All the money and arms and armored vehicles that were confiscated from him have been returned to him.
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This whole thing is weird...I wonder why they would take everything from him, only to turn around and give it back again?
 
yankeesince59 said:
This whole thing is weird...I wonder why they would take everything from him, only to turn around and give it back again?
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Only thing I can think of is that Wagner group is the only force that made gains in the last year, although accomplished by using terrible tactics that cost the lives of 10's of thousands to gain a few kilometers. They may be hoping he will lead his troops back to the front again. Incidentally Ukraine is now in the process of retaking that city (Bakhmut) that Wagner took. Ukraine. using entirely different tactics (using HIMARS to destroy russian artillery, where before it had been used only for bigger targets, and attacking on the flanks instead of a frontal assault), is limiting their casualties.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Only thing I can think of is that Wagner group is the only force that made gains in the last year, although accomplished by using terrible tactics that cost the lives of 10's of thousands to gain a few kilometers. They may be hoping he will lead his troops back to the front again. Incidentally Ukraine is now in the process of retaking that city (Bakhmut) that Wagner took. Ukraine. using entirely different tactics (using HIMARS to destroy russian artillery, where before it had been used only for bigger targets, and attacking on the flanks instead of a frontal assault), is limiting their casualties.
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That makes sense but correct me if I'm wrong , what about the Russian troops? I mean, from what I understand, they are mostly green troops or criminals who either don't seem very willing to fight or ill-prepared to do so. What I'm wondering is whether Russia can Russia still be a formidable force with Prigozhin's mercenaries alone?

Edit; Also, if Putin kills off Prigozhin, will his mercenaries then align themselves with Putin?
 
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yankeesince59 said:
That makes sense but correct me if I'm wrong , what about the Russian troops? I mean, from what I understand, they are mostly green troops or criminals who either don't seem very willing to fight or ill-prepared to do so. What I'm wondering is whether Russia can Russia still be a formidable force with Prigozhin's mercenaries alone?

Edit; Also, if Putin kills off Prigozhin, will his mercenaries then align themselves with Putin?
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The russian army is still a formidable force with or without Wagner troops. There is some disorganization in their army which leads to some troops not getting enough training, enough supplies and enough artillery support but I believe most of their troops do get proper support and as the green troops get more experience they become better soldiers. Right now they are on the offensive in certain areas, they have large amounts of troops massed in the north especially. They have huge supplies of mines which they are using effectively and also big supplies of the Lancet suicide drone. (I'll post a link to that). I think we should bear in mind that most of the armored equipment that Ukraine has been given is second line that has been in storage and then rehabbed. The weapons that have really been first class and most useful are the HIMARs and Britain's Storm Shadow long range missiles. Not sure if they have the number of either of these that they would like.
I don't think russia will kill Prigozhin but if they did I would guess most of his mercenaries would fight for russia, as long as they are well paid.
https://www.rferl.org/a/lancet-dron...AHnVJEDjSFpsKpuNRkp8yDNMAM1fGILzoXk43ZKvp0U5Y
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
The russian army is still a formidable force with or without Wagner troops. There is some disorganization in their army which leads to some troops not getting enough training, enough supplies and enough artillery support but I believe most of their troops do get proper support and as the green troops get more experience they become better soldiers. Right now they are on the offensive in certain areas, they have large amounts of troops massed in the north especially. They have huge supplies of mines which they are using effectively and also big supplies of the Lancet suicide drone. (I'll post a link to that). I think we should bear in mind that most of the armored equipment that Ukraine has been given is second line that has been in storage and then rehabbed. The weapons that have really been first class and most useful are the HIMARs and Britain's Storm Shadow long range missiles. Not sure if they have the number of either of these that they would like.
I don't think russia will kill Prigozhin but if they did I would guess most of his mercenaries would fight for russia, as long as they are well paid.
https://www.rferl.org/a/lancet-dron...AHnVJEDjSFpsKpuNRkp8yDNMAM1fGILzoXk43ZKvp0U5Y
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Yeah, as per usual, it alwas comes down to money.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Yes, Phillip Morris, Pepsi, Proctor and Gamble and Cargill all in top 20 by revenue in russia 2022. all paying taxes that help russia's war.
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Wow, that's quite a surprising list, I had no idea...those Ruskies are some cigarette smoking SOBs.
 
Leroy Merlin, for those who are curious like I was, appears to be the French version of Home Depot/Lowe's.

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barfo said:
Leroy Merlin, for those who are curious like I was, appears to be the French version of Home Depot/Lowe's.

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Found this; https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/ar...erlin-says-it-will-exit-russia_6020859_7.html


"The French retailer, who is accused of sponsoring Russia's war effort, said it would transfer control of Leroy Merlin to local management in Russia."

^^^Not sure what this means.^^^ "20% of Leroy Merlin's overall revenues"?

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French retailer Leroy Merlin says it will exit Russia
The French retailer, who is accused of sponsoring Russia's war effort, said it would transfer control of Leroy Merlin to local management in Russia.

French retailer Leroy Merlin said Friday, March 24, it would exit Russia, ending an 18-year presence that came under intense scrutiny after President Vladimir Putin's army invaded Ukraine last year.

Unlike western companies that hurried to disengage from Russia after the attack, Leroy Merlin defiantly resisted calls to leave the country, saying it owed it to customers to keep them supplied and to local staff to keep them in work.


Russia is Leroy Merlin's biggest foreign market with 113 stores, and contributes around 20% to the company's overall revenues. But Ukraine heaped scorn on the retailer for the stance, accusing it of sponsoring Russia's war effort.

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Leroy Merlin's parent company, Adeo, said it would transfer control of Leroy Merlin to local management in Russia, where it is among the biggest foreign employers. Adeo said the move "should preserve the jobs of the 45,000 employees and ensure that the company's activity remains at the service" of the population. "This process is the result of work initiated several months ago in compliance with international regulations," it said, adding that the transaction is subject to approval of Russian authorities.

'Waiting for months'
"We don't know what the local authorities will say to us," French local daily La Voix du Nord quoted an unnamed management source at Leroy Merlin as saying Friday. "Other companies like Danone or Schneider have asked for a similar transfer of business control and they've been waiting for months for a response."


A slew of foreign firms closed up shop in Russia last year in the wake of the invasion of Ukraine and subsequent Western sanctions against Moscow. But the Mulliez family, which owns Leroy Merlin and other major French retailers including supermarket chain Auchan and the Decathlon sports shop network, stayed put.

Adeo did say last year that it would suspend new investments in the country. But it also warned that any outright departure from existing commitments would expose it to the risk of "expropriation" by Russian authorities.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called out Auchan and Leroy Merlin in a speech in Paris last year, saying they "must stop sponsoring the Russian war machine".

In February of this year, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba accused Auchan of being a "weapon of Russian aggression" after a Le Monde investigation revealed its shops had been used to supply goods to the Russian army.


The company said it was "very surprised" by the allegations.

Around 500 French companies had operations in Russia before the war, making them collectively the biggest foreign employers in the country with 160,000 staff, according to the French economy ministry.
 
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These are pretty much identical to Storm Shadow missiles that Britain has supplied. I still don't know if Ukraine is authorized to use either against targets in Crimea.
 
New York Times reports the thousands of female soldiers in Ukraine are not properly equipped. They are wearing men's uniforms and shoes, often way too large. The vests were designed for male bodies. Nearly all have yeast or urinary tract infections due to lack of places to urinate.
It's been over a year! Time to recognize women fight too.
 
crandc said:
New York Times reports the thousands of female soldiers in Ukraine are not properly equipped. They are wearing men's uniforms and shoes, often way too large. The vests were designed for male bodies. Nearly all have yeast or urinary tract infections due to lack of places to urinate.
It's been over a year! Time to recognize women fight too.
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As a father of 3 daughters, is the infection from holding it too long due to lack of privacy? Or is there something else I'm not considering?
 
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