Politics Ukraine / Russia (2 Viewers)

[crandc]

Has Rudy Giuliani picked his brain in alcohol or is he just plain stupid? He seriously suggested speaker Mike Johnson tell President Zelensky that Congress will hold up approved aid to Ukraine until Zelensky releases the so called "Biden file" of dirt on the Bidens. Aside from not existing, this is exactly what Trump was impeached for.

 

[beast blazer]

Negotiating would be a mistake. Russians only understand force. They'll need to physically fail to have any hope of preventing more expansion attempts.

That's what thhose who almost started a nuclear holocaust during the Cuban missile crisis said.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's what thhose who almost started a nuclear holocaust during the Cuban missile crisis said.

Russia wasn't invading Cuba. Completely different situation.

Any negotiation would only seed Ukrainian territory to Russia. That would only encourage more Russian aggression. That is the opposite of what needs to happen.

No negotiations need to happen for Russia to vacate Ukraine. And anything short of Russia vacating all of Ukraine (including Crimea) is failure. We should continue supporting Ukraine until they get all of their territory back from Russia. And then we should support them longer so that Russia never attacks them again.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Has Rudy Giuliani picked his brain in alcohol or is he just plain stupid? He seriously suggested speaker Mike Johnson tell President Zelensky that Congress will hold up approved aid to Ukraine until Zelensky releases the so called "Biden file" of dirt on the Bidens. Aside from not existing, this is exactly what Trump was impeached for.

If the Biden crime family has nothing to hide why don't they send Rudy to Ukraine to get the files?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Some reports that 1000 are being sent. Ukraine already putting to good use. Also USA production is finally up to speed. Britain seems to have authorized their storm shadow missiles to be used on russian territory.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

His opening sentence: "All of you will die!"

 

[Phatguysrule]

His opening sentence: "All of you will die!"

Wow. Sign me up

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Wow. Sign me up

More like, "Put me in Coach!!"

 

[jonnyboy]

His opening sentence: "All of you will die!"

The double standard here is glaring.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The double standard here is glaring.

Who else is invading a non aggressive neighboring country and telling their soldiers they'll die but the glory will be worth it?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Who else is invading a non aggressive neighboring country and telling their soldiers they'll die but the glory will be worth it?

Wyoming.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Wyoming.

... Fucking jackelopes...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

... Fucking jackelopes...

Google Wyoming Black Gold.

 

[jonnyboy]

Who else is invading a non aggressive neighboring country and telling their soldiers they'll die but the glory will be worth it?

Both countries are using young men as cannon fodder. One country used so many they actually ran out, and are now using old ones. One country is much smaller and has been guaranteed to lose since the beginning, but decided to go for it anyway instead of signing a deal.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Both countries are using young men as cannon fodder. One country used so many they actually ran out, and are now using old ones. One country is much smaller and has been guaranteed to lose since the beginning, but decided to go for it anyway instead of signing a deal.

Wouldn't it be simpler and more accurate to just say:

Larger country is invading their neighbor and the smaller country is defending itself.

 

[oldfisherman]

Both countries are using young men as cannon fodder. One country used so many they actually ran out, and are now using old ones. One country is much smaller and has been guaranteed to lose since the beginning, but decided to go for it anyway instead of signing a deal.

There are countless examples of a smaller country defeating a larger country. Where does your guarantee come from?

BTW, Russia has a servere manpower shortage. Many factories are running way below capacity. This is due to their factoty workers being used as cannon fodder at the front.

There are many sources of info covering this war. You may try others besides only reading vodka lables. Here is a news source that is probably new to most of you.

 

[jonnyboy]

There are countless examples of a smaller country defeating a larger country. Where does your guarantee come from?

BTW, Russia has a servere manpower shortage. Many factories are running way below capacity. This is due to their factoty workers being used as cannon fodder at the front.

There are many sources of info covering this war. You may try others besides only reading vodka lables. Here is a news source that is probably new to most of you.

It’s over.

 

[barfo]

One country is much smaller and has been guaranteed to lose since the beginning, but decided to go for it anyway instead of signing a deal.

All countries smaller than Russia should just surrender to Putin and become part of the Russian empire, right?

Why fight when it's so much easier to surrender?

The Johnnyboy Doctrine is awesome, but I'd like to suggest one minor modification.

In the rare case where two countries are evenly matched, the winner is determined by a coin flip.
In this way we can rapidly - probably in the space of a few weeks - eliminate war forever and establish a single world government run by the strongest/luckiest of the former countries.

barfo

 

[crandc]

Including returning the colonies to the British Empire.

 

[jonnyboy]

All countries smaller than Russia should just surrender to Putin and become part of the Russian empire, right?

Why fight when it's so much easier to surrender?

The Johnnyboy Doctrine is awesome, but I'd like to suggest one minor modification.

In the rare case where two countries are evenly matched, the winner is determined by a coin flip.
In this way we can rapidly - probably in the space of a few weeks - eliminate war forever and establish a single world government run by the strongest/luckiest of the former countries.

barfo

Why flip a coin when you can send poor kids to die?

The fact that the wacky and/or hilariously zany hypothetical you presented sarcastically on my behalf is actually infinitely less psychotic than what is really happening says alot.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[beast blazer]

All countries smaller than Russia should just surrender to Putin and become part of the Russian empire, right?

Why fight when it's so much easier to surrender?

The Johnnyboy Doctrine is awesome, but I'd like to suggest one minor modification.

In the rare case where two countries are evenly matched, the winner is determined by a coin flip.
In this way we can rapidly - probably in the space of a few weeks - eliminate war forever and establish a single world government run by the strongest/luckiest of the former countries.

barfo

You realize you're using the same argument that was used to support our involvement in the Vietnam war?

It's madness.

You people are so easily manipulated.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You realize you're using the same argument that was used to support our involvement in the Vietnam war?

It's madness.

You people are so easily manipulated.

Do you realize that the money you spend at the grocery store is the same money that is used to engage in human trafficking?

 

[barfo]

You realize you're using the same argument that was used to support our involvement in the Vietnam war?

It's madness.

You people are so easily manipulated.

No, it's not the same. johnnyboy was saying that Ukraine should just surrender because they are smaller/weaker.
The similar argument for Vietnam would be that South Vietnam should have surrendered because they were smaller/weaker.

That could be stated even if the USA didn't exist.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Why flip a coin when you can send poor kids to die?

The fact that the wacky and/or hilariously zany hypothetical you presented sarcastically on my behalf is actually infinitely less psychotic than what is really happening says alot.

Your belief that people should just give up on self-governance whenever challenged seems quite at odds with human psychology, and all of history.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Your belief that people should just give up on self-governance whenever challenged seems quite at odds with human psychology, and all of history.

barfo

Strawman. Russia never wanted all of Ukraine, only the eastern, ethnically Russian areas and for NATO to not expand to their doorstep. Nothing was ever presented to suggest otherwise aside from people loudly reiterating western propaganda points with no basis.

 

[oldfisherman]

Strawman. Russia never wanted all of Ukraine, only the eastern, ethnically Russian areas and for NATO to not expand to their doorstep. Nothing was ever presented to suggest otherwise aside from people loudly reiterating western propaganda points with no basis.

A large % of Russians living in Ukraine are the result of a 19th century migration from Russia for jobs.

Using your faulty claim. Mexico would be justified to invade the USA and take control of a large southern portion of our country.

Does this make sense? My eye sight is fading, it is difficult for me to tell one letter from another.

 

[jonnyboy]

A large % of Russians living in Ukraine are the result of a 19th century migration from Russia for jobs.

Using your faulty claim. Mexico would be justified to invade the USA and take control of a large southern portion of our country.

Does this make sense? My eye sight is fading, it is difficult for me to tell one letter from another.

Your response to me pointing out a strawman is to present and even more ridiculous false equivalency? Why not just address the things I actually said?

 

[jonnyboy]

A large % of Russians living in Ukraine are the result of a 19th century migration from Russia for jobs.

Using your faulty claim. Mexico would be justified to invade the USA and take control of a large southern portion of our country.

Does this make sense? My eye sight is fading, it is difficult for me to tell one letter from another.

What if that large portion of the southern US was ethnically Mexican, being bombed by the northern states and also voted successfully in a referendum to join Mexico?

 

[barfo]

What if that large portion of the southern US was ethnically Mexican, being bombed by the northern states and also voted successfully in a referendum to join Mexico?

That of course isn't an accurate portrayal of the situation in Ukraine, but suppose it was actually true of the southern US.
You would then think that Mexico should take a few US states, and the US should agree to that?

barfo