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barfo said:
I know Putin says stuff. The question is why you believe the stuff he says unquestioningly.
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SlyPokerDog said:
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While my disgust grows exponentially every single day, so does my optimism. At this rate, the 2026 mid term elections should be a Democratic blowout. But then, there really is no fixing stupid......so we just have to hope the idiot half of America stays home in 2026.......but how ANY American with even a single shred of intelligence should be appalled by the shit show unfolding. Those who aren't will be losers under any political regime......
 
Finland president urges Europe to firm up Ukraine’s hand for US-sought talks with Russia to end war
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MUNICH (AP) — Finland’s president on Sunday urged the rearming of Ukraine and putting “maximum pressure on Russia” through sanctions and asset freezes in the lead-up to possible negotiations sought by the U.S. on ending the war.

The comments by Alexander Stubb came as France was set to host a meeting to help firm up Europe’s answer to assertive American diplomacy.

“The first phase is the pre-negotiation, and this is a moment when we need to rearm Ukraine and put maximum pressure on Russia, which means sanctions, which means frozen assets, so that Ukraine begins these negotiations from a position of strength,” he said.

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Hoopguru said:
Putin has lost the war, as he was not able to take Kiev and democracy & Nato is still at his door. And still will be, once there are peace keeping troops in Ukraine.
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He was losing until Trump and the Republicans decided to stop helping Ukraine.

They still have NATO's help which I am glad to see. But, Trump is trying to gift Ukraine to Russia. We should not be letting Russia expand. Putin won't stop at Ukraine.
 
Chris Craig said:
He was losing until Trump and the Republicans decided to stop helping Ukraine.

They still have NATO's help which I am glad to see. But, Trump is trying to gift Ukraine to Russia. We should not be letting Russia expand. Putin won't stop at Ukraine.
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Europe needs to put a peace keeping force in Ukraine. If pu thinks he can re-establish the Soviet Union, he wrong, imo.
 
Hoopguru said:
Europe needs to put a peace keeping force in Ukraine. If pu thinks he can re-establish the Soviet Union, he wrong, imo.
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Yes, they do and quickly because Trump will let him do it.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yes, they do and quickly because Trump will let him do it.
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I actually think if Trump allows pu to take Ukraine that works against him and elections in 26. He's much rather take credit for pu pulling out or settling.
 
Hoopguru said:
I actually think if Trump allows pu to take Ukraine that works against him and elections in 26. He's much rather take credit for pu pulling out or settling.
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Not sure he cares much about the 26 elections right now. They don't affect him personally, he has little use for congress at present, and he has a toddler's conception of time.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Not sure he cares much about the 26 elections right now. They don't affect him personally, he has little use for congress at present, and he has a toddler's conception of time.

barfo
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If he wants tor un for a third term I would think the 26 election would be important? And, if they lose majority in both he as lame as lame gets. On top of his current lame ass.
 
Hoopguru said:
I actually think if Trump allows pu to take Ukraine that works against him and elections in 26. He's much rather take credit for pu pulling out or settling.
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This is not a good trade off. As much as I hate Trump I'd rather Ukraine be able to hold out.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is not a good trade off. As much as I hate Trump I'd rather Ukraine be able to hold out.
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I think there will be an end to terrible war and Ukraine will have held out. Probably wont become part of NATO for the time being.
 
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I support Ukraine but they are nowhere near ready to join NATO. Years away.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I support Ukraine but they are nowhere near ready to join NATO. Years away.
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I don't care about any of that. We should let them in and tell them that if they don't comply with everything necessary they will be expelled.

I have very little doubt that they will comply.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't care about any of that. We should let them in and tell them that if they don't comply with everything necessary they will be expelled.

I have very little doubt that they will comply.
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NATO can not and will not become involved in a NATO member's inner workings and disputes. They can not take sides in a NATO member's civil war. Ukraine is not a politically stable country. It wasn't that long ago that Ukraine had a very pro Russia leader. Can you imagine if that happens again? An elected Ukrainian official giving Russia NATO classified information.

This is from 4 days ago.

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Ukraine detains top intelligence official, accuses "the rat" of working for Russia
By Frank Andrews

Updated on: February 12, 2025 / 11:52 AM EST / CBS News


Ukraine's primary intelligence service said Wednesday that it had detained one of its own high-level officials, accusing "the rat" of working for Russia. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) said it had documented "14 episodes of the 'rat's' illegal activities," saying the man had headed the SBU's Anti-Terrorist Center.

Vasyl Malyuk, the head of the SBU, led the investigation and carried out the arrest himself, according to a statement from the agency, which said President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had been kept updated on the "complex" and "multi-step" operation.


"Using encrypted software bookmarks, we penetrated the traitor's gadgets — mobile terminals, computers," Malyuk was quoted as saying in the SBU's statement. "In the process of all this, we managed to qualitatively document the collection and transmission of relevant information by the traitor to the enemy."

In a photo published with the statement, Malyuk is seen holding the alleged traitor — who appears to have a bruise on his forehead — by the scruff of the neck.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-sbu-intelligence-official-the-rat-accused-working-for-russia/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
NATO can not and will not become involved in a NATO member's inner workings and disputes. They can not take sides in a NATO member's civil war. Ukraine is not a politically stable country. It wasn't that long ago that Ukraine had a very pro Russia leader. Can you imagine if that happens again? An elected Ukrainian official giving Russia NATO classified information.

This is from 4 days ago.

WORLD
Ukraine detains top intelligence official, accuses "the rat" of working for Russia
By Frank Andrews

Updated on: February 12, 2025 / 11:52 AM EST / CBS News


Ukraine's primary intelligence service said Wednesday that it had detained one of its own high-level officials, accusing "the rat" of working for Russia. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) said it had documented "14 episodes of the 'rat's' illegal activities," saying the man had headed the SBU's Anti-Terrorist Center.

Vasyl Malyuk, the head of the SBU, led the investigation and carried out the arrest himself, according to a statement from the agency, which said President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had been kept updated on the "complex" and "multi-step" operation.


"Using encrypted software bookmarks, we penetrated the traitor's gadgets — mobile terminals, computers," Malyuk was quoted as saying in the SBU's statement. "In the process of all this, we managed to qualitatively document the collection and transmission of relevant information by the traitor to the enemy."

In a photo published with the statement, Malyuk is seen holding the alleged traitor — who appears to have a bruise on his forehead — by the scruff of the neck.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-sbu-intelligence-official-the-rat-accused-working-for-russia/
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We've had US Federal employees work for Russia as well (like, maybe our current President). The fact that they are getting rid of him for working for Russia leads me to believe that Ukrainian and US (and the rest of NATO) incentives are aligned.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
NATO can not and will not become involved in a NATO member's inner workings and disputes. They can not take sides in a NATO member's civil war. Ukraine is not a politically stable country. It wasn't that long ago that Ukraine had a very pro Russia leader. Can you imagine if that happens again? An elected Ukrainian official giving Russia NATO classified information.

This is from 4 days ago.

WORLD
Ukraine detains top intelligence official, accuses "the rat" of working for Russia
By Frank Andrews

Updated on: February 12, 2025 / 11:52 AM EST / CBS News


Ukraine's primary intelligence service said Wednesday that it had detained one of its own high-level officials, accusing "the rat" of working for Russia. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) said it had documented "14 episodes of the 'rat's' illegal activities," saying the man had headed the SBU's Anti-Terrorist Center.

Vasyl Malyuk, the head of the SBU, led the investigation and carried out the arrest himself, according to a statement from the agency, which said President Volodymyr Zelenskyy had been kept updated on the "complex" and "multi-step" operation.


"Using encrypted software bookmarks, we penetrated the traitor's gadgets — mobile terminals, computers," Malyuk was quoted as saying in the SBU's statement. "In the process of all this, we managed to qualitatively document the collection and transmission of relevant information by the traitor to the enemy."

In a photo published with the statement, Malyuk is seen holding the alleged traitor — who appears to have a bruise on his forehead — by the scruff of the neck.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-sbu-intelligence-official-the-rat-accused-working-for-russia/
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Ukraine says it uncovered 12 agents spying for Russia on F-16s, air defences

December 17, 20246:48 AM PSTUpdated 2 months ago
Dec 17 (Reuters) - Ukraine's SBU security service said on Tuesday it had uncovered 12 agents spying for Russia to identify the locations of F-16 fighter jets and air defence systems across Ukraine.
It detained the alleged organiser and four key accomplices on suspicion of treason and sharing information about the location of Ukrainian military, according to a statement on the Telegram messaging app.
The network members worked separately to track down military airfields and air defence locations across five regions in Ukraine's south and northeast, as well as the addresses of companies working on electronic warfare.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-spying-russia-f-16s-air-defences-2024-12-17/
 
Phatguysrule said:
We've had US Federal employees work for Russia as well (like, maybe our current President). The fact that they are getting rid of him for working for Russia leads me to believe that Ukrainian and US (and the rest of NATO) incentives are aligned.
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By July 2022 651 prosecutions had been opened against prosecutorial and law enforcement officials in Ukraine,[115] with over 16,000 cases of treason being opened by Ukraine prosecutors by February 2023.[116]
 
SlyPokerDog said:
By July 2022 651 prosecutions had been opened against prosecutorial and law enforcement officials in Ukraine,[115] with over 16,000 cases of treason being opened by Ukraine prosecutors by February 2023.[116]
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Problem is that Russia can keep sending people in that need to be prosecuted...
 
Phatguysrule said:
That seems kind of infinite...
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NATO can and should still support Ukraine. NATO and Europe can help in nation-building.

I think Ukraine should ask for NATO's help in defending Chernobyl. Because if Chernobyl starts spewing radiation again that's a Europe problem. Troops around it and lots of air defense over it.

I'm not saying NATO and the US should not help Ukraine.
 
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