Politics Ukraine / Russia (10 Viewers)

[stampedehero]

I wonder what Steven Seagal is up to?

His mouth is just over Putins' knee cap.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It is exactly the same on both sides. Democrats denounce Fox as fake news while watching CNN, and republicans denounce CNN as fake news while watching Fox. Yet neither side will denounce their own news sources as fake news. The same goes for their party/candidate. Both sides can tell you who the corrupt members are in the other party, yet won't police their own party, at all. The bias is thick, on both sides. Yet neither side cares to see it.

There is absolutely no room for both siderism!!!!

if you don't choose my side, you are the enemy!

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Shaboid]

There has supposedly been a Russian pullback.. Not sure how much of that I believe.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[donkiez]

There has supposedly been a Russian pullback.. Not sure how much of that I believe.

I kind of believe it. From what I have read Russia would not be able to afford the huge expense of an invasion and occupation. Putin is making bank right now on spiked oil prices and he has some political objectives that he is working on. So essentially the whole thing could just be elaborate market manipulation with a political twist of trying to fracture NATO, get France and the UK to work directly with him outside of the USA involvement, and force the Ukraine to give up it's NATO bid and become more under the Russia sphere of influence. It appears Putin underestimated some of NATOs resolve and the Ukraines determination and could be looking to back away somehow that allows him to save face and claim some sort of victory. But who really knows what's in Putin's mind so I could be way off base.

 

[Shaboid]

I kind of believe it. From what I have read Russia would not be able to afford the huge expense of an invasion and occupation. Putin is making bank right now on spiked oil prices and he has some political objectives that he is working on. So essentially the whole thing could just be elaborate market manipulation with a political twist of trying to fracture NATO, get France and the UK to work directly with him outside of the USA involvement, and force the Ukraine to give up it's NATO bid and become more under the Russia sphere of influence. It appears Putin underestimated some of NATOs resolve and the Ukraines determination and could be looking to back away somehow that allows him to save face and claim some sort of victory. But who really knows what's in Putin's mind so I could be way off base.

Sounds like a pretty well thought out assessment, to me.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[calvin natt]

Ukraine is fucked. Everyone is worried it will escalate into a broader regional war but most likely the EU and the USA will stay of of it and let Russia have the Ukraine but will just arm Ukraine to the teeth so that Russia takes heavy losses. Without arming Ukraine, Russia has a major air and tank advantage. Ukraine has been begging for the west for weapons for a long time to counter Russian superiority, and now they are getting them. Troops are being built up in Belarus and Russia side from the Russians. In Poland from the US and EU. Germany is suspiciously quiet about all this because they are completely reliant on Russian natural gas and will have a major energy crisis is Russia cuts them off, but will most likely join in if shit hits the fan. Geopolitics are not really about what right and wrong, it's about what benefits your side and country without costing too much. Truth is Ukraine should probably never of been split from Russia but Stalin wanted some extra states for international influence reasons, but now the Ukraine is their own place with a strong proud people and heritage so it's pretty sad to watch. Also I believe a lot of Russian gas and oil pipelines go through the Ukraine so Russia views this as protecting their economic interests, especially since the Russian economy is in the toilet and completely reliant on their oil and gas exports.

I mean that all might be true but this is CNNs fault

 

[crandc]

According to Fox "news", all the talk about war in Ukraine is just a ploy to detract attention from Hillary Clinton. Who has been retired for six years.

 

[Shaboid]

Russian aircraft buzz US Navy patrol planes, get within 5 feet, Pentagon says

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's pretty close for planes...

 

[Natebishop3]

Russian aircraft buzz US Navy patrol planes, get within 5 feet, Pentagon says

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's pretty close for planes...

They were communicating..... you know.... flipping the bird?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Natebishop3]

Perfect time for a neutron bomb.

 

[Lanny]

According to Fox "news", all the talk about war in Ukraine is just a ploy to detract attention from Hillary Clinton. Who has been retired for six years.

Which one, the one that eats children alive and then sells the others for sex slavery or the one the Democrats fabricate for the media?

 

[Lanny]

Russian aircraft buzz US Navy patrol planes, get within 5 feet, Pentagon says

I could be wrong, but I feel like that's pretty close for planes...

Are you kidding me? That's too damn close to not take action about it.

 

[Lanny]

The withdrawn troops were withdrawn to areas near the borders with Ukraine.

 

[Hoopguru]

Hope war can be avoided but Putin usually follows through on these invasions.

 

[Chris Craig]

Putin is playing games. He will eventually attack Ukraine and then blame it on the US. He has already set the foundation with his impractical demands that Ukraine be banned from joining NATO.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[jonnyboy]

I guess we’re all just pretending Biden isn’t trying to send our children to defend his personal financial interests in a country he and his scumbag kid have long been known to have questionable dealings in.

Funny how we pick and choose which foreign countries to give a fuck about. Genocide in Yemen? Fuck em. Ukrainian gas companies our potato-brained President and his crackhead son have interests in potentially losing profit? Humanitarian crisis. Better go save them like we did Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think I’ve got some old Halliburton bibs from my oilfield days I can throw on to get in the spirit!

 

[Shaboid]

 

[donkiez]

I guess we’re all just pretending Biden isn’t trying to send our children to defend his personal financial interests in a country he and his scumbag kid have long been known to have questionable dealings in.

Funny how we pick and choose which foreign countries to give a fuck about. Genocide in Yemen? Fuck em. Ukrainian gas companies our potato-brained President and his crackhead son have interests in potentially losing profit? Humanitarian crisis. Better go save them like we did Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think I’ve got some old Halliburton bibs from my oilfield days I can throw on to get in the spirit!

I'm pretty sure no one is sending troops to help Ukraine. Biden does have some tough words for Putin, I know that's different than we are use to but that's about all that's going on at this point. We are apparently ceding all oil and gas reserves in the Ukraine to Russia which is apparently exactly what you want? Not sure what this rant is about?

 

[Hoopguru]

If Ukraine not joining NATO prevents war, they should do it. Not worth it.
But, whenever Putin has his sites on a country he invades.

 

[barfo]

I guess we’re all just pretending Biden isn’t trying to send our children to defend his personal financial interests in a country he and his scumbag kid have long been known to have questionable dealings in.

Can't imagine where you get your "news".

barfo

 

[crandc]

Russia does not get to dictate who joins NATO.

 

[Hoopguru]

They think they can with Ukraine, however. Alternative is war and invasion.

 

[jonnyboy]

I'm pretty sure no one is sending troops to help Ukraine.

US troops are being stationed in Poland, Romania and other Eastern European countries as a direct response to this. It is quite literally sending troops to help Ukraine, not sure how you are managing to spin an alternate version of a blatant reality here. Deploying the military is more significant than the baked potato having ‘tough words’ for Russia.

 

[jonnyboy]

Can't imagine where you get your "news".

barfo

Can’t imagine why you didn’t attempt to refute anything I said.

 

[donkiez]

They think they can with Ukraine, however. Alternative is war and invasion.

If that stopped war I would be fine with it. It didn't look like the Ukraine was going to get their NATO bid anytime soon anyway. I think it's just a convenient excuse for Putin though and caving on this could embolden him and set a dangerous precedent. Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1994 on a personal security gurantee by Russia. Bet they are regretting that. I wonder if giving Russia the Donetsk region would be enough also? They are basically Russian hicks anyway. It comes down to what Putin's motives are and I wouldn't be surprised if both issues came up in last second negotiations.